I dreamt this up cuz im kind of a geek

this is wacky but since squad wars might take a while, and squads are ready to duke it out. what if we did a Dogfight Olympics.

we could have seperate events where different teams show up and instead of playing the round the server gives us we could play the olympic event instead. OF course these have to be events that have to take place quickly before game is over.

For example, say we had an event called who wins in a flight race from south base to north base starting from takeoff to landing.

all squads meet at a specified time and announce the race. Everyone scrambles for position on runway, 1,2, 3 , GO

whichever squad wins gets bragging rights and records are kept.

crazy idea, but would be fun.

we could have shooting contests, tank contests etc, between squads just like in olympics

Wow I like that idea can't believe it soooo cool

Good I dea but they would all have to use same plane and ect.......................................................................................................

glad you guys like it, we'll have to work out details. Of course we could have journalists cover the events. non participants could just park n watch for a small 20 dollar fee from the Kptn Singh Sports Regiment (KSSR)

I like the idea, but I believe you remember what happened when SixxGunzz started an unofficial Squad War? Ban city. If we're all good sports, it'll be fine. If one person blows up, lots of people will.

CalvinIsAwesome wrote: I like the idea, but I believe you remember what happened when SixxGunzz started an unofficial Squad War? Ban city. If we're all good sports, it'll be fine. If one person blows up, lots of people will.

of course rules would have to be strictly enforced with zero tolerance for rage. In events like racing their would be no shooting allowed. The way I see it, like for example the base to base race.

participants assemble on runway. 1,2,3 KABOOMMMM a tank can shoot a round if you wanna really make it real life like

everyone drops their bombs n races towards the other base. At this point, their will be players who are not involved and are playing the regular round would be shooting at the racers. This could be considered an obstacle, they have to get to the other base despite being shot at by pilots who are not involved in the race just like in duckwing challenge, it adds to the difficulty.

first person to land and come to a complete stop, on the runway wins. Each squad could nominate a pilot to participate so that one squad/one pilot. that way small squads get a fair shot

Anyone who goes out of line gets kicked out of the squad. Harsh penalties should keep it cleaner.

A cool event would be a race, with guns allowed. Think about the strategy.

Me and 430 thought of this long long long time ago.

Idea was that we would all(who can make it) get together and fight each other one one by one and the last one standing would be the winner of the week. They would have a new one every week. We tried but couldnt keep track of it. So we emailed zup and he said he is working on something similar. Guess he was talking about squads

That's kinda a cool idea, Bomer. We could have separate division for head on and turning, finally determine who the best is at each.

Hamers wrote: Good I dea but they would all have to use same plane and ect.

Exactly. I see no point when we're all in the same aircraft.

What the race would come down to is:

A. The ability to fly as straight as possible. Veering off at all would allow other people who are flying straighter to catch up.

B. Whomever is able to crank the throttle up the fastest.


What a race would cause:

A. An awful amount of crying because:

1. People crying that it wasn't fair
2. Other people not racing and wanting to shoot others down. People will cry because of this.
3. People crying out "LAG".
4. People crying because they weren't "ready".
5. People will shoot others down in the race to troll (how could you not? That'd be hilarious).
6. People crying in general.

B. Potential faux-"Squad Wars"

C. The forum becoming a giant tinder box of flaming.

D. The Dogfight staff would be forced to ban players because of the flaming.


I think "A" is enough reasons already. And those are actually the complaints I constantly deal with already in my inbox.

I need help I have An account and bought member And it says you are on trial period

A cool event would be tank race down Mount Duckwing.You would have to avoid flipping over and stopping.It would have a lot of strategy.Another cool one could be a bomber race if the bombers come out.

Races, no

Events like challangea yes.

Glad u like it calvin, it was mostly 430 s idea, i just help fill in some holes. I miss him, can zuperman plz hurry up and unmute him.

Kptn Singh wrote:

Soldier Races

NO

Everyone moves at the exact same speed though. What's the point?

Besides, the game is a COMBAT simulator. Sure every now and then we come up with different things to spice up the game. (ie climbing mountains). But competitive racing? The game simply isn't built for that.

Kptn Singh wrote:

Soldier Races

NO

Hey luna how the emblem your making for us coming?

I'm with Slenderman. There's nothing like organizing an event that is unnatural for the game environment upon which it is played, to generate flamers and complaints.

That said, there are a few one-on-one challenges that might be fun without taking over a whole game (since others just won't let the takeover happen). For example, if Calvin and I were circling an airport in a Dogfight game, and Cal said "Race you to the lower deck of the western carrier," that would work well. If there was shooting involved, it might be disadvantageous to be the one who is ahead. Even without shooting between challengers, it would be interesting to lead the other player into a gunfight with non-participating dogfighters, or take a longer route to avoid those obstacles. That simple challenge could be short-lived, simple to play out, and doesn't require cooperation from others.

The other one that comes to mind is a tank challenge. Last one standing. Get points by shooting the carrier. Oh wait... that's already a game

Manfred

Just to clarify for manfred and slender, these are not intended to replace the games in any way. these are to be like once a week type of events not frequent. They are not meant to imitate or replace squad wars in any way (unless squad wars is about racing airplanes etc). These are meant to be like Olympics, friendly competitions and not wars.

secondly,

you guys have to learn to trust other people. Especially slender. I am telling you this as a friend and a brother but you can't hope to have everything in control all the time it will drive you crazy. Have faith in the players, they have proven to be a responsible group of people. Especially with younger kids that are up here, if you treat them like adults, they will behave as adults just as with adults if you behave with them like children they will behave like children even if they are 55 years old. If I complain then thats Olympics, if Slender complains then thats Olympics. Have you guys seen olympics, its all about cry babies. Thats what I watch em for

Now as far as two machines traveling at the same speed therefore the game doesnt make sense point. If you watch nascar, most nascar cars are built to run at around the same speed, the variables such as road conditions, behaviour of other cars on the track etc (human elements) are what make it a race. In dogfight, since race would be taking place without changing the game in any way or announcing to other players to "get out of the way", their would be variables that can affect the outcome.

Kptn Singh wrote: Just to clarify for manfred and slender, these are not intended to replace the games in any way. these are to be like once a week type of events not frequent. They are not meant to imitate or replace squad wars in any way (unless squad wars is about racing airplanes etc). These are meant to be like Olympics, friendly competitions and not wars.

secondly,

you guys have to learn to trust other people. Especially slender. I am telling you this as a friend and a brother but you can't hope to have everything in control all the time it will drive you crazy. Have faith in the players, they have proven to be a responsible group of people. Especially with younger kids that are up here, if you treat them like adults, they will behave as adults just as with adults if you behave with them like children they will behave like children even if they are 55 years old. If I complain then thats Olympics, if Slender complains then thats Olympics. Have you guys seen olympics, its all about cry babies. Thats what I watch em for

Now as far as two machines traveling at the same speed therefore the game doesnt make sense point. If you watch nascar, most nascar cars are built to run at around the same speed, the variables such as road conditions, behaviour of other cars on the track etc (human elements) are what make it a race. In dogfight, since race would be taking place without changing the game in any way or announcing to other players to "get out of the way", their would be variables that can affect the outcome.

But you have to admit that NASCAR does fallow the laws of physics and gravity.
While dogfight on the other hand doesn't.

Good Idea but It would be too hard to do.

Kptn Singh wrote: Just to clarify for manfred and slender, these are not intended to replace the games in any way. these are to be like once a week type of events not frequent. They are not meant to imitate or replace squad wars in any way (unless squad wars is about racing airplanes etc). These are meant to be like Olympics, friendly competitions and not wars.

secondly,

you guys have to learn to trust other people. Especially slender. I am telling you this as a friend and a brother but you can't hope to have everything in control all the time it will drive you crazy. Have faith in the players, they have proven to be a responsible group of people. Especially with younger kids that are up here, if you treat them like adults, they will behave as adults just as with adults if you behave with them like children they will behave like children even if they are 55 years old. If I complain then thats Olympics, if Slender complains then thats Olympics. Have you guys seen olympics, its all about cry babies. Thats what I watch em for

Now as far as two machines traveling at the same speed therefore the game doesnt make sense point. If you watch nascar, most nascar cars are built to run at around the same speed, the variables such as road conditions, behaviour of other cars on the track etc (human elements) are what make it a race. In dogfight, since race would be taking place without changing the game in any way or announcing to other players to "get out of the way", their would be variables that can affect the outcome.

You have a good grasp of the Olympics

I think that you are talking more about faith, rather than trust. I have a lot of faith in individuals, but IME a group of people needs natural incentives all aligned (the normally established constraints of the scenario) for games to work well, and new artificial rules get overlooked or sabotaged very easily. This is the part that Slenderman addressed... not wanting to hear the whining when this occurs.

I'll start with some one-on-one challenges and see how it goes. I think it could be very fun to race with someone through a field of other Dogfighters who aren't playing our challenge, and see who can land on the lower deck first.

Manfred

I respectfully disagree. Most members of Dogfight have proven themselves to be mature and adaptable. Slender, whenever we say that we need more moderators, you say that we don' understand how much you filter it. That's true, and you do a good job; but have you considered that we help keep the game cleaner, too? We can't force anyone to behave like you, but we can still persuade people. We know that the game is best when everyone's acting mature and bring sportsmanlike. Many of us congratulate opposing pilots that get he better of us. The standard Dogfighters are the reason for a lot of the game's atmosphere. It was because us that a penalty was implemented for teamkilling. Most of us try to keep spawnkilling to a minimum. On a whole, we've proven ourselves to be mature enough to handle competition. I'll give that some of us would have to be excluded, but most of us would take it just fine. Not a single person herr likes flame wars, or a ban. If we see that this is causing trouble, I'm sure the practice would be discontinued.

Have some faith in us, we've earned that much.

Calvin,

You are spot on about the integrity and flexibility of many many players. You all know who you are, and your actions establish a culture here. But IMO (and I'm not the final word for olympics, just an interested observer) you underestimate the undermining power of a few people who will make it their mission to derail these efforts. Maybe you are right and goodness will prevail -- I'd love to see that. Maybe I'm tainted because (without mod commands) I often jump from game to game puesuing someone who just ruined a game for a bunch of people, hoping I can put holes in them until they give up... and they often just vanish only to return sometime later doing the same teamkilling and vulgar chanting. A few of these people could cause a lot of problems with a game that is invented new within the dogfight scenarios.

Boy I sound like a grouch. And I was telling Pluribus that he was depressing me! I'll take some of my own advice now and shut up, and stop being such a downer.

Manfred

You're not depressing, Plur, on the other hand...

You're right, someone trying to derail the games would have a substantial effect, but it's not like e don't deal with that stuff anyway. There's few people who would do that that could best the people that the squads would choose to represent them. There'd have to be rules about what happens when someone interferes. Maybe there could be one guy who flew ahead of clearing the way.

About you moderating with bullets... that doesn't work. Use the chat to get everyone to gang up. Remember the other day, when you told me to forget everyone else and light one guys ass up? THAT works. People like that want to feel like they're winning in some way, and by getting everyone to gang up on them, you can take that away.

Kptn Singh wrote: Just to clarify for manfred and slender, these are not intended to replace the games in any way. these are to be like once a week type of events not frequent. They are not meant to imitate or replace squad wars in any way (unless squad wars is about racing airplanes etc). These are meant to be like Olympics, friendly competitions and not wars.

You seem to forget the fact that people will complain because something isn't fair.

secondly,

Kptn Singh wrote: you guys have to learn to trust other people. Especially slender. I am telling you this as a friend and a brother but you can't hope to have everything in control all the time it will drive you crazy. Have faith in the players, they have proven to be a responsible group of people. Especially with younger kids that are up here, if you treat them like adults, they will behave as adults just as with adults if you behave with them like children they will behave like children even if they are 55 years old. If I complain then thats Olympics, if Slender complains then thats Olympics. Have you guys seen olympics, its all about cry babies. Thats what I watch em for

Heh, if you only saw a third of the messages I get -- you'd be more empathetic. It isn't that I don't trust players. Nor do I wish to control everything.

You can't simply disregard all the other players with this idea though. This is a great idea -- if there were private hosts/servers. At this moment however, it's all public. Many players may not wish to abide by your "Olympics" and want to play. Others may indeed follow the rules.

Now, think about what will happen when these two parties are thrown together in a unorganized mismatch? You have people whining because they simply want to play the game they way it was designed. Then you'll have others complaining because the players of the first party were shooting at them while trying to race.



Surely this thought crossed your mind.

Calvin, alot of people are good, but there are some that cant be trusted. Thats the blacklist thread, untill everyone of those name are gone, u can never have a program that depends on the peoples trust. If u do things are gonna go bad.

bomer1 wrote: Calvin, alot of people are good, but there are some that cant be trusted. Thats the blacklist thread, untill everyone of those name are gone, u can never have a program that depends on the peoples trust. If u do things are gonna go bad.

Calvin is right. He's thinking this realistically just as myself and a few others in the thread have.

You're right, there'd be plenty of complaints, but I don't think that it's a huge deal. If all the major squads (6 by my count) sent representatives, the game would be plenty full, and the two remaining players.... they can deal with it, or they can leave. It's not like six aces couldn't handle a couple guys with tempers.

What do you say we set up a date for the games, and give it a trial run?