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Poll: Kill Range Poll

Keep it as it is
66 50.8%
Laser but shorter distance
20 15.4%
Make it curve down on distance
44 33.8%
Total number of voters: 130 ( 111th|On_Wings_oF, Chopper 15, [M]FOX#1, NetRedding, Bill Maher ) See more
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TOPIC: Kill Range Poll

Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251861

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Really Comet?

I was refuting your assertions:

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I think that this is plain and simple a dispute between different play styles: straight shooters and turn fighters. It's not strange at all to want an aspect of the game that you're good at to stay the way it is. If this was a vote about limitations of turn fighters I bet the turn fighters would be opposed to that change...nobody wants to give an advantage away...and we all have the same opportunity to master different aspects of this game.


The "lol" was because I thought your statements were funny in light of how so many (including myself) like to play from a disadvantage.

@ Jack, certainly head on skills are important. Just not so important that they alone can carry a game. I've never played down their value, I just think that head in only is boring.

Re: realism, it is just a precedence which supports certain game features. If there is a split in opinion I'd think that realism should win out. After all some of the reason to go ww1 is to have a quasi-historical platform.


Read up on the thread and see who was responding and who was pro-offering opinions. ;)
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251863

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I must be a sucker. I'm definitely not a turnfighter, but I voted for ballistic drop. Challenge is always more fun. My favorite moments in the game were always overcoming a new challenge. Remember the first time you landed in the carrier instead of on it? Huge rush for me. I can imagine being frustrated by new bullet physics, but gratified when I eventually get it.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251871

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Im down with realistic, but if it causes lag and trouboe to get in, im for keeping the same
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251874

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[NLR] McFate wrote: Really Comet?

I was refuting your assertions:

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I think that this is plain and simple a dispute between different play styles: straight shooters and turn fighters. It's not strange at all to want an aspect of the game that you're good at to stay the way it is. If this was a vote about limitations of turn fighters I bet the turn fighters would be opposed to that change...nobody wants to give an advantage away...and we all have the same opportunity to master different aspects of this game.


The "lol" was because I thought your statements were funny in light of how so many (including myself) like to play from a disadvantage.

@ Jack, certainly head on skills are important. Just not so important that they alone can carry a game. I've never played down their value, I just think that head in only is boring.

Re: realism, it is just a precedence which supports certain game features. If there is a split in opinion I'd think that realism should win out. After all some of the reason to go ww1 is to have a quasi-historical platform.


Read up on the thread and see who was responding and who was pro-offering opinions. ;)

I get it, but some people sux at long range, and are great at turn fighting. So they do one or the other, witch is fine with me, I do both,most are better at long range shooting so that's what they like to do, and whine when there is a droper in a game. Me on the other hand deal with it, when there is a droper in the game I go after who ever it is some times I win sometimes I lose the trun fight, but I can keep him buzy while others can get through to bomb and win the game. The object of the game is to win. Most turn fighters in this game only come in to a game to kill planes, not help there team to win the game. They don't escort any one they just pad there kills, to bad they don't play like you and try to help there team win the game. I've seen you play and you play to help your team win I applaud that. But players like bubi, some others, ruin the game. Dragon rojo I thought was in it to kill only, but last time I played with him on my side he helped me to win the game we were out numbered 4vs 2 he kept them buzy while I bombed. I still had to shoot players down, but he destracted most of them to give me a chance to bomb and win the game. We just need more turn fighters to play like you, and not just kill for awhile then leave, and go on to the next game and kill some more. Now on the subject about making this gm more realistic, yes no more laser bullets, no more parachutes tht can kill tanks, or jumping in a tank after parachuting to the ground. Ww2 ships, bombs under the plane,radar, I could go on and on about the unrealistic game that we all love. If we took all this out of the game there would be no game. Bullet drop would be cool. But we really don't need any more change. So let's vote and see what happens. Tht is what this treads about. Respectfully jack burton1
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251878

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Look all I did was state an opinion, which I stated on the other long range kill thread. I certainly did not post on here to argue or even discuss with you McFate...I'm not sure I'm quite as intellectual as you..and besides you'll go on and on anyways just to get that last dig in...previous threads come to mind like the zello incident...
Your responses to me indicate to me that I pissed you off. If I did well, bummer. Was not my intention. If that did not happen then shame on me for perceiving things wrong.

So everyone just to recap:
Whatever McFate says is gospel round here...
Whatever Comet says is just an opinion worthy of a response with a condescending Lol.

That concludes today's episode of "Debate McFate"
For me anyway...






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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251881

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Less accurate bullets will bring planes closer together. The closer planes get to each other, the more turn fighting occurs. The more turn-fighting the more interesting and less mundane the game becomes.

I suck a turn-fighting; I never do it. I don't do it because I don't see the advantage. If less accurate ammo is introduced the larger the advantage to turning. And I would rather see a sky full of turn-fighters with faster beating hearts than up-the-boring-butt middle - even if I suck at it. Maybe I'm just sick of giving it up the butt. Maybe others prefer taking it that way. :blink:


On a different note:
I love the polling idea, and I hope to see it implemented often. Well done, Zuperman. And what a tight race! Who knew we were so divided?
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251902

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Watching this post is like the thrill of election night when you have a dog in the hunt..... If a snake can be on the edge of his seat then I'm there.








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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251929

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Hello all....I am in on this vote...I vote to keep it the way it is please..ty have a great day!!
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251938

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I go with #3 .the bullets go up to a distance and falls ! Pretty good idea zup and its gonna be realistic .
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251944

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JesseJames82 wrote: I vote back to 2 hits smaller planes or I want more ammo zup I run out almost every run as do most long range guys:)......change it back or more ammo I'm cool with either.

well hit the dang guys then. here is a pretty good benifit too haveing ballistics in the game (for most head to head shooters like myself) the planes are definatly closer. u get mor time too aim... and that means... OMG more hits!!! dont u agree?? if u dont fine.... ur opinion.... but it does make sense.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251965

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[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Of course not MEAN...not subscribing does not make one a criminal and certainly the post was mot made to intend such. I do pay...but because of such, I feel that subscribers should have the say. Nonsubcribers, in my opinion, should not have the same weight of changing the game for all. The way I said that could have been a little more tactful...my apologies.

I agree totally M/C in any club wether it be bike , football or any club a non paying member is considered an associate and is denied the right to vote . Only fully paid members have the right to vote to change the way things opperate or how the game is played . The paying members of dog fight have given Zup the funds to enable the improvement of the game and it's servers . Without this payment DF may have folded and certainly would not be where it is today . I respect anybody's decision to pay or not to pay it is your right to play for free if this is what you wish to do . I am a subscriber and am only to happy to give this small token of my support to Zup . After all he does do a good job addressing problems that we encounter along the way . Great job Zup you deserve a few accolades mate .
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251970

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Don't do it Zup ! :angry:
Practiced Pilots seems to be able to engage in DF's as is.. @ least I know I am ? :dry: If u Change things by making it shorter I would be able to engage even more so often with all jokes aside.. I would most lkely be terrifying the opposition.. todays new hyped turn-fighters such as Me.. {BLK}Wolf.. On_Wings.. Von Flush & much more.. did I mention Zeb ? Too many Gud turnners out there Zup ? Wouldn't be fun for the (Head-On)straight shooters & they might stop playing ? just saying.. there should be a petition 1rst to see if there is a weighty amount of pilots who would rather see the change in shooting range implemented.. if so then we move to Vote ? I'm Council Chairman of The 111th Falcon Squadron.. & that's how Voting is organized. So there wont be too many wasted Votings on things not held in an overall aspect.We can't just vote on Anything now can we ? So to see if it's even worth Voting for by people of interest, see how many would want to see the change. If not many complain (a whole lot of pilots) then no need to hold a vote.. because of lack of petition. :unsure:





Although Zup.. just incase no one's listening.. I'm a have to go with the ballistic drop ? Just obviously seems the most realistic out the 3 (bunch) ? :)









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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251972

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I agree, it is more realistic, and give the tank ametralladora.se Gives me great head but I see little point average before reves.ademas Being dead or so in a serious fight Seems Normal dogs MOST As you are in the later more real space .for mejor.pensemos we are doing a tribute to all those good drivers Who Died in the lucha.hagamos of something actual game, and make Gradually Incorporating Things That works can be mejor.ademas Otherwise removed, or re mismo.creo what You Have to do is unheard of for a paraidista Desle you from the other side of the map Besides Should the engines fail and lose fuel, Having to return, extend the time cin map and put other foundations at the ends, so all we would have any available like conduciones and primary skill but many factores.el.clima Also, distance, bases, fuel, Certainly would be very interesting and would make a great game even more .the tank Would Have more chances of avanzar.cuantas: sometimes reach base? Also at the airport, all taking off Would Have more options without duda.seria closest thing to what was then a witness and we would Simultaneously Also Protagonists who else can ask for? I definitely yes more realistic
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251981

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Hi Everyone,

When we elect our country president/prime minister, every person has the right to cast vote whether he pays tax or not because he belongs to that country.

Similarly, every member of dogfight should be allowed to cast his/her vote as he /she belongs to dogfight community. We are here to make this game better and I think it would be unfair to leave those with whom we play on daily basis.

This is my opinion.

My vote goes to option #3, Make it curve down on distance.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251982

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I vote we all get lasers
Then maybe we can finally win this war!
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251987

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Though this is a vote, this game is far from a democratic process. Davy can't fly as Obamasucks because it offends some. That right there eliminates this from being democratic. In the spirit of the way this game has been going, free players by default should have less say in the direction of the game than paid subscribers. People want more of a voice? Make an investment.
Ignorance has a way of enlightening us all.

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Por favor pido que se controle la votacion y se Esté,al tanto de.cualquier irregularidad gracias!!.
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Please I ask that the vote be controlled and Be, aware de.cualquier thanks !! irregularity.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #251996

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im saying everyone that plays oughta except the banned
have right to vote

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[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Of course not MEAN...not subscribing does not make one a criminal and certainly the post was mot made to intend such. I do pay...but because of such, I feel that subscribers should have the say. Nonsubcribers, in my opinion, should not have the same weight of changing the game for all. The way I said that could have been a little more tactful...my apologies.

Monsta! I agree with you. Only paying customers should vote. Only paying customers are footing the bill for all the other non paying players. I dont mind if they pay or not, thats their business. Voting on how the game should be, that should be for the zupporters...... I mean supporters!

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all pilots that play should be treated equal all im saying..non subscibers are know different than you or I.......when you go to polls to vote for president you pay .......voting is a privilege and im glad im able to vote .....ty MEAN FOKKER

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[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Of course not MEAN...not subscribing does not make one a criminal and certainly the post was mot made to intend such. I do pay...but because of such, I feel that subscribers should have the say. Nonsubcribers, in my opinion, should not have the same weight of changing the game for all. The way I said that could have been a little more tactful...my apologies.

I agree totally M/C in any club wether it be bike , football or any club a non paying member is considered an associate and is denied the right to vote . Only fully paid members have the right to vote to change the way things opperate or how the game is played . The paying members of dog fight have given Zup the funds to enable the improvement of the game and it's servers . Without this payment DF may have folded and certainly would not be where it is today . I respect anybody's decision to pay or not to pay it is your right to play for free if this is what you wish to do . I am a subscriber and am only to happy to give this small token of my support to Zup . After all he does do a good job addressing problems that we encounter along the way . Great job Zup you deserve a few accolades mate .

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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #252010

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IMPORTANT: I read some posts voting on the text. I won't count those. You have to scroll all the way up on this page and hit the "vote" button on one of the 3 options.

You can't just write here "I vote for option x". I can't read all pages and count the missing votes... so make sure you vote the right way.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #252014

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zuperman wrote: IMPORTANT: I read some posts voting on the text. I won't count those. You have to scroll all the way up on this page and hit the "vote" button on one of the 3 options.

I voted the you wanted and also mentioned the same on post also.
You can't just write here "I vote for option x". I can't read all pages and count the missing votes... so make sure you vote the right way.


I voted the way you wanted and also mentioned the same on post also.
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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #252015

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THE NON subscribers wait for random....choose to subscribe u pic server and don't wait...so subscribers are not paying for non subscribers ty MEAN FOKKER

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[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Of course not MEAN...not subscribing does not make one a criminal and certainly the post was mot made to intend such. I do pay...but because of such, I feel that subscribers should have the say. Nonsubcribers, in my opinion, should not have the same weight of changing the game for all. The way I said that could have been a little more tactful...my apologies.

Monsta! I agree with you. Only paying customers should vote. Only paying customers are footing the bill for all the other non paying players. I dont mind if they pay or not, thats their business. Voting on how the game should be, that should be for the zupporters...... I mean supporters!

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Kill Range Poll 4 years 3 months ago #252022

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Weather[*M]an wrote: Though this is a vote, this game is far from a democratic process. Davy can't fly as Obamasucks because it offends some. That right there eliminates this from being democratic. In the spirit of the way this game has been going, free players by default should have less say in the direction of the game than paid subscribers. People want more of a voice? Make an investment.


From the screenshot I saw, offended one...and not quite a respected pilot. And it seemed personal and not actually that he took offense. There is alot of truth in davys former name. But he's got a better one now
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all im saying it is a game but pilots can still be civilized....and not discriminate against non subscribers...and other ways to make an investment...and much more responsible than a video game...ty MEAN FOKKER
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I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST DAVEYS NAME AND NOT AGAINST IT AT ALL
..WHEN I FIRST STARTED PLAYING I HAD TO CHANGE MY NAME AND IT WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE NAMES THEY HAVE KNOW...JUST AS I FEEL OBAHMASUCS ISNT AS BAD AS NAMES ARE KNOW....ITS THE CLICK THING ...CALLED POLITICS...TY MEAN FOKKER ITS A NAME OF OPINION THATS ALL GEEZ..... BUNCH OF COMMUNIST....

Weather[*M]an wrote: Though this is a vote, this game is far from a democratic process. Davy can't fly as Obamasucks because it offends some. That right there eliminates this from being democratic. In the spirit of the way this game has been going, free players by default should have less say in the direction of the game than paid subscribers. People want more of a voice? Make an investment.

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Doggy Dix wrote: hypothetically... if i invest $10 so i can have 5 acounts... is it then ok if i vote five times ?
and i can get a second acounst on each one, that makes 10 votes...


btw Zup check out how many second acounts have voted...i Think its a more fair result of the votings if u at least reduce this ones...


I agree Doggy,

But what can can you do about it? Things would get messy if people started calling out all of the (suspected) second accounts. Zuperman could look up the IP addresses of the unfamiliar names to match them against other voters, then eliminate both of them, but what a waste of his time that would be!

Besides, how much difference would it really make? ;)
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Mean Fokker, i dont want you to think that i am saying freeplayers are not supporting the game. I meant that subscribers are the ones supporting the improvements.
Even though we are not, think of it like stockholders in a company. If you own stock in company X, in some cases, not all, you get to vote. But no one gets to vote that does not have a share. You can use company X products, and that is supporting them, but younstill wont vote.
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Doggy Dix wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: hypothetically... if i invest $10 so i can have 5 acounts... is it then ok if i vote five times ?
and i can get a second acounst on each one, that makes 10 votes...


btw Zup check out how many second acounts have voted...i Think its a more fair result of the votings if u at least reduce this ones...


I agree Doggy,

But what can can you do about it? Things would get messy if people started calling out all of the (suspected) second accounts. Zuperman could look up the IP addresses of the unfamiliar names to match them against other voters, then eliminate both of them, but what a waste of his time that would be!

Besides, how much difference would it really make? ;)


IDK if its make any difference...but its feel like somekind of Bananarepublic if voting is similar how much you are intending to pay...

It is the way it is...i just think is a bit comic :lol:



Actually, There are at least 6 second accounts that I see and their first account names have also voted. Judging by who they are I would guess they are mostly for keeping it how it is. Eliminating them would bring the votes for no change to less than 50%.

Let me know if you want a list of ones you can check out Zup. ;)


(I'm really on the "S" list now!) :lol:
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I LIKE BOTH THAT EVEN TAKES MORE SKILL ....THEN YOUR NOT LIMITED IN GAME...LOL
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[NLR] McFate wrote: Lol. Comet,

Funny how some assume that I (or others who support adding ballistics) am advocating for changes that make it easier for me (a turn fighter)

Yes. I like turn fighting. In my opinion it requires more skill than point-and-shoot and it is a far closer representation of how actual ww1 battles went.

Yes. I also support using tactics such as dropping and sneaking because it requires more thought to counter rather than a meet in the middle slaughter.

I also prefer being on the low side of an uneven game. Why? Maybe I should see a shrink. But I can promise you it is not because I like to have an advantage.

Part of the reason I did not like being on a big squad is that so many squad mates wanted to switch to the same side that it frequently pitched the numbers in my favor. Once again, this attitude of mine is not intended to provide me with any advantage. When I joined the NLR I made *420* promise that we could still fight against each other sometimes. Seeing how she is arguably one of the best Dogfight pilots of all time it was not so I had an advantage.


I like the challenge of the game and I hope for more improvements which will increase the emphasis on skill and tactical game play. I believe that such features will make the game more compelling. To me, there is nothing worse for the enjoyment of the game than a whiner demanding that other people fly the way they want the game to be played. By flying how we each choose we are not 'forcing' someone to play our way, we are challenging them to develop thought and skills to be competitive.

I really wish more people would take on the attitude of one if the game's most respected players:
Von Hulk. His attitude is basically "bring it on!" Whatever "it" may be. He still has his own opinions about what makes a good game but he will take any challenge that comes his way. I think it might be safe to say that his skills developed due to this attitude, not the other way around.


Any change that adds to the complexity of the game (without pitching an advantage to one team or the other) is an improvement in my book. Simple is not nearly as fun.

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