I started playing a few months back, and it was an awesome game, respectful ayers offering advice ect, people always complaining don't spawn kill or camp.its disrespectful, the past 2 weeks every game I play are gets, like previously named sitting shooting before we move off.ru way, circling above so no one can leave, call it complaining but there should be rules, ways to stop it, respect! Play fair, don't just play cheap to better your stats, I know several others who are ready to delete.this game due to negnagent players who have been reported but nothing happens. FIX.IT

Ryan__*B wrote: I started playing a few months back, and it was an awesome game, respectful ayers offering advice ect, people always complaining don't spawn kill or camp.its disrespectful, the past 2 weeks every game I play are gets, like previously named sitting shooting before we move off.ru way, circling above so no one can leave, call it complaining but there should be rules, ways to stop it, respect! Play fair, don't just play cheap to better your stats, I know several others who are ready to delete.this game due to negnagent players who have been reported but nothing happens. FIX.IT

I understand your frustration but unfortunately unless you have screenshots it's going to be difficult to pinpoint the players. Best of wishes.

Ryan, its true there are a few players that choose to take the low road shall we say and engage in weak tactics that you mention to pad there numbers and diabolicaly inflate there ego that has been crushed due to there little Itty bitty pecker. I'm assuming the pecker part, but we all know it has some truth to it......

Listen Ryan, you sound like a the kind of player that particular squad here has built it's rep with members with form such as yourself..... you have my respect and I do hope you won't let the little pecker people keep you from playing or worse, converting to there way of play..... i believe you will need to make sure you meet the tinny standards before the conversion........ anyway, here's the deal.

Its not against any rule and is not banable if a player chooses the tinny organ tactics.... we used to have mods here that had the power to mute, temp ban and permaban players that went against the masses here. Unfortuneatly they are no more and the only way to get in trouble here is to habitually tank spawn kill at enemy runway...... and cuss.... yes, cuss.... i know it doesn't make much sense but there it is Ryan....

All one can do is play the game to their particular morals and all we can do is hope that those morals are in line with our own...... for the most part the honor players are honorable and there is more then not.
If you need some advice or have any questions regarding tactics or just questions in general swing by our thread and we would be honored to do what we can for you.....
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I'm sure this isn't what you were hoping for, feeling a bit disappointed and cheated..... it builds character her, so your well on your way my friend.

You can add another MORAF to the list with low morals MiG.29. Sneaking, camping and spawnkilling. We were already outnumbered. I asked him why.... the answer was that hes a winner...sad....very sad. We will lose good gamers with MORAFS like this who should be setting good standards.

Percy, I would think that your are right about loosing good players new or old due to the piss poor examples that a few top rung players choose to be. I hope we are both wrong.

I've been playing this game before Oct 2012, I'm not sure to sound proud of that or be a little ashamed of it I sometimes think that it's a bit ridiculous to have spent the time I have at his game at the age that I am...... then i think of the friends I've made and the many different people I've gotten to know since I started this game, folk I never would have ever had the pleasure to get to know and chat with about subjects that i can honestly say would have been more then unlikely in my non virtual life. When I look at the time spent here and reflect on it in that light I'm damn glad I found this game, and know that I will remeber and look back at instances and smile , probably chuckle some....

The diversity that is here is something that I wouldn't be able to be a part of in real life, for that I'm thankful aswell. I've learned a lot from so very many players and have found myself in deep thought after a game about how someone is or how they are doing and stunded frankly, at the connection I have with people here and how unexspected it has been for me in regards to relationships that I have here that I wouldn't if not for DF.


I for one (I think it obvious if you've flown against me) I'm not here for the KDR or any other Stat that comes with this game. Not saying there is anything wrong with stats, they can be drivers and pushers to better oneself and serve a good purpose if approached from the idea of bettering on self by way of diligence, practice and honor..... sounds old fashion I know.... im old.
I have said and do still believe that the MORAFS of Dog Fight, the majority of us do take the label to heart and give back to the game for what we have learned and know. Some more then others but it's a pretty damn straight shooting bunch of honorable people these MORAFS of Dog Fight and I'm honored to be a member of of this club and rub shoulders with the elite players here.... who are fine folks that do care about this game even more then they may know or are willing to admit.

You have to take the bad with the good, not just here but in general. At least that's how it seems no matter what we may be talking about. I will admit there were times when I would have liked to (and times I actually did) push my values and beliefs on to others in regards to how the game should be played and the form of play that we should all adhere too. I don't really understand why I felt the entitlement that my way of play was superior and more honorable then someone else's, for one I'm at best a mediocre player when it comes to skill and haven't acquired a fan base of any size to make myself, let alone anyone else take me for anything more the what I am, a goof ball player that may or may not shoot you down at any ONE time.... But i have felt full enough of myself to push my belief of standard of excellence that isn't really nessassary (due to its only a game theory) on others...

A bit ridiculous but embarrassingly true at one time or another. My feelings are this. It is just a game I know. I don't think and at this time believe that one can separate the gamer from the real world mind and morals of A player. Meaning, if on plays with honor and respect to others in game blue and red it is a reflection of the individual as a whole even in real life. We can assume that the spawn killers aren't accually spawn killing in real life.... I think. Its most probably safe to say how ever that these players lead a similar existence by taking short cuts, and take unfair advantage of others, sneaking around in the shadows and when called out on the dirty deeds they more then likely have there lame excuses justifying why it is they had to do it the way they did and seemingly guilt free. There is a bit of the psyche that no doubt is in bed with there narcissistic self beliefs of grandiose sight of them being better then the rest...... but remeber they are compensating for Itty bitty peckers!



Guess what I'm saying is you can't do anything about the Migs and the Korean air forces and the few other MORAF players that choose to play with those types of values. And we really shouldn't try. What we can do is when we see these tools abusing the new guys and gals let the newer player know we know it sucks and that there is a ton of other players that do know the definition of honor and common courtesy and live by what they know, so don't give up its a great game and if they stay they will be glad they did spend so much time attempting to figure out why they stayed so long, and being glad they did.

[*M]RAPTOR wrote: Percy, I would think that your are right about loosing good players new or old due to the piss poor examples that a few top rung players choose to be. I hope we are both wrong.

I've been playing this game before Oct 2012, I'm not sure to sound proud of that or be a little ashamed of it I sometimes think that it's a bit ridiculous to have spent the time I have at his game at the age that I am...... then i think of the friends I've made and the many different people I've gotten to know since I started this game, folk I never would have ever had the pleasure to get to know and chat with about subjects that i can honestly say would have been more then unlikely in my non virtual life. When I look at the time spent here and reflect on it in that light I'm damn glad I found this game, and know that I will remeber and look back at instances and smile , probably chuckle some....

The diversity that is here is something that I wouldn't be able to be a part of in real life, for that I'm thankful aswell. I've learned a lot from so very many players and have found myself in deep thought after a game about how someone is or how they are doing and stunded frankly, at the connection I have with people here and how unexspected it has been for me in regards to relationships that I have here that I wouldn't if not for DF.


I for one (I think it obvious if you've flown against me) I'm not here for the KDR or any other Stat that comes with this game. Not saying there is anything wrong with stats, they can be drivers and pushers to better oneself and serve a good purpose if approached from the idea of bettering on self by way of diligence, practice and honor..... sounds old fashion I know.... im old.
I have said and do still believe that the MORAFS of Dog Fight, the majority of us do take the label to heart and give back to the game for what we have learned and know. Some more then others but it's a pretty damn straight shooting bunch of honorable people these MORAFS of Dog Fight and I'm honored to be a member of of this club and rub shoulders with the elite players here.... who are fine folks that do care about this game even more then they may know or are willing to admit.

You have to take the bad with the good, not just here but in general. At least that's how it seems no matter what we may be talking about. I will admit there were times when I would have liked to (and times I actually did) push my values and beliefs on to others in regards to how the game should be played and the form of play that we should all adhere too. I don't really understand why I felt the entitlement that my way of play was superior and more honorable then someone else's, for one I'm at best a mediocre player when it comes to skill and haven't acquired a fan base of any size to make myself, let alone anyone else take me for anything more the what I am, a goof ball player that may or may not shoot you down at any ONE time.... But i have felt full enough of myself to push my belief of standard of excellence that isn't really nessassary (due to its only a game theory) on others...

A bit ridiculous but embarrassingly true at one time or another. My feelings are this. It is just a game I know. I don't think and at this time believe that one can separate the gamer from the real world mind and morals of A player. Meaning, if on plays with honor and respect to others in game blue and red it is a reflection of the individual as a whole even in real life. We can assume that the spawn killers aren't accually spawn killing in real life.... I think. Its most probably safe to say how ever that these players lead a similar existence by taking short cuts, and take unfair advantage of others, sneaking around in the shadows and when called out on the dirty deeds they more then likely have there lame excuses justifying why it is they had to do it the way they did and seemingly guilt free. There is a bit of the psyche that no doubt is in bed with there narcissistic self beliefs of grandiose sight of them being better then the rest...... but remeber they are compensating for Itty bitty peckers!



Guess what I'm saying is you can't do anything about the Migs and the Korean air forces and the few other MORAF players that choose to play with those types of values. And we really shouldn't try. What we can do is when we see these tools abusing the new guys and gals let the newer player know we know it sucks and that there is a ton of other players that do know the definition of honor and common courtesy and live by what they know, so don't give up its a great game and if they stay they will be glad they did spend so much time attempting to figure out why they stayed so long, and being glad they did.

I for one, am in the RAPTOR Fan Club. Because of many reasons including this post. The wise words that pour out of this "goofball" Never cease to amaze me. As he calls himself not so great, He doesn't know how much impact he has had on a player such as myself. I didn't fly through the ranks up to the top 10 by myself. It was pilots like Raptor, Foust, YEMX, and the other "oldtimers" that pushed me along. If it wasn't for setting the standards so high, I would have barely made to the top 100. Thank you sir Raptor for being who you are. A GREAT man.

as a relatively new Moraf i am honored to bear the MORAF title and i always treat people as i want to be treated with respect and dignity. i was recently spawnkilled by a top 50 MORAF who also did it to gi raider and one other noob i called the pilot dirty and told him his conduct sucked for his rank and status and left the game on world chat i was telling some people what happened he called me a crybaby and he wasnt spawnkilling he was just camping and was protecting himself as we would kill him as he flees well the low life sucker snuck into bomb im sure his skills would have helped him sneak out too. claiming my wheels where up yes my wheels where up but the bullets where hitting me as soon as i throttled up after the incident i received quiet a few personal messages from top players who saw the chat on wc and thanks for your support guys you know who you are

Sir Harry Percy wrote: You can add another MORAF to the list with low morals MiG.29. Sneaking, camping and spawnkilling. We were already outnumbered. I asked him why.... the answer was that hes a winner...sad....very sad. We will lose good gamers with MORAFS like this who should be setting good standards.

He's already been added..Good news. Shoot him a couple times and he'll leave to find easy prey.