SnidleyWhiplash wrote: Oh and I am now going to make an effort to defuse the situation not provoke it into an incident since I think if I had ignored him all would have been good.

..its perfectly good to defend your own bomber on a final approach..or to protect the ones coming in without sking. Im used to the uneven matches and blues leaving for whatever reason..its the game.

In repost to Whiplash,

First, although you may not be familiar with me I've played this game far, far, far longer then you have and the majority of older players will tell you I play fair, I play very clean and I also don't take crap from anyone - moderator or not.

You were no angel. That's quite a generous assessment of your behavior. A 6-1 game was not my complaint and you, I'm quite sure, given your exceptional recall of events remember this was not my issue. My complaint, fully justified, was that in a 6-1 game you don't need to shoot anyone as they are respawning, bombing run or not. Ask Von Pay, Wig, Coop, Dogss,--J--, Manfred if I shoot anyone on the ground ever. They will all tell you no but that is my personal policy and I don't impose it on anyone else. However, if the game is to have even a modicum of class and sportsmanship then a 6-1 mismatch is definitely the time not to spawn kill the opponent and then lamely try to justify it by claiming you were on a bomb run. If you can't tell if someone is on the ground or in the air then you should go to the kiddy server and practice.

If you think your job is to "jab" people you're wrong. The issue was over and dropped when you reopened it by antagonizing someone who was already clearly not happy about being spawned several times. Perhaps in the future you can use better, more mature judgement to discern when it might be appropriate to "jab" someone or just let it be. I believe you are a moderator and frankly I would expect far more from you then initiating another argument and publicly taunting a player. Apparently this expectation is far beyond what you are capable of managing.

Another player showed up in another game shortly after the incident and said you continued to bad-mouth me in that room. I won't reveal this player's name because I find you to be vindictive, juvenile, untrustworthy and very likely to take it out on them. It does however, clearly show your maturity level and inability to behave yourself in a sportsmanlike manner because trash talking someone when they are absent is extremely low.

As I said, I will give you and everyone else exactly what I get. If you feel this is unfair tell Joaquin or anyone else you like and we can all have a nice discussion about it. If you want to justify spawn killing and then reigniting a situation that had cooled by "jabbing" another player I'm confident you and I will have more confrontations because this behavior is totally unacceptable.

I will reply in line with *** so we can follow this

Lioneyes wrote: In repost to Whiplash,

First, although you may not be familiar with me I've played this game far, far, far longer then you have and the majority of older players will tell you I play fair, I play very clean and I also don't take crap from anyone - moderator or not.

***Fair enough***

You were no angel. That's quite a generous assessment of your behavior. A 6-1 game was not my complaint and you, I'm quite sure, given your exceptional recall of events remember this was not my issue.

*** right the issue was the 6-1 game AND getting spawn killed since if this was an even game shooting on the runway is all good when coming in for a bomb according to everyone I know of except maybe Swop who is an extreme case. According to the Spawn Killing the great debate this is all good so that is where I get my opinion, from the community of everyone.***

My complaint, fully justified, was that in a 6-1 game you don't need to shoot anyone as they are respawning, bombing run or not. Ask Von Pay, Wig, Coop, Dogss,--J--, Manfred if I shoot anyone on the ground ever. They will all tell you no but that is my personal policy and I don't impose it on anyone else.

***now this is where you are wrong since this is exactly what you are doing right here! I should be using your honoring measuring system***

However, if the game is to have even a modicum of class and sportsmanship then a 6-1 mismatch is definitely the time not to spawn kill the opponent and then lamely try to justify it by claiming you were on a bomb run.

***Not claiming on bomb run, I bombed and hit hangars. The way you are trying to twist things is very telling. The sportsmanship you speak of is what, I should make it easier for you? I play like I always do except if the sole red is low level, then I play loop and bomb (see thread I made) where I don't shoot the red ever and must loop before bombing but you being a seasoned player doesn't need a handicap I didn't think ***

If you can't tell if someone is on the ground or in the air then you should go to the kiddy server and practice.

*** I can't see the difference from where i was if you were flying low or up. I can handle this situation if it happened to me...I wouldn't have team killed someone! Who belongs on the kiddie server?? ***

If you think your job is to "jab" people you're wrong. The issue was over and dropped when you reopened it by antagonizing someone who was already clearly not happy about being spawned several times.

***What?? I never said it was my job and I said it wasn't good behaviour on my part. You were insulting me and others while I was explaining. It wasn't until a much later game I made a jab at you and really that was between us so who cares. ***

Perhaps in the future you can use better, more mature judgement to discern when it might be appropriate to "jab" someone or just let it be.

***I already said I would since I didn't think you were right in what you did but I shouldn't help push people over the edge***

I believe you are a moderator and frankly I would expect far more from you then initiating another argument and publicly taunting a player. Apparently this expectation is far beyond what you are capable of managing.

***You started the arguement and after everything you said I was far less confrontational then you were!***

Another player showed up in another game shortly after the incident and said you continued to bad-mouth me in that room. I won't reveal this player's name because I find you to be vindictive, juvenile, untrustworthy and very likely to take it out on them. it does however, clearly show your maturity level and inability to behave yourself in a sportsmanlike manner because trash talking someone when they are absent is extremely low.

***Really what did I say? The only thing I thought I said was people were talking about Marshals team killing each other and I asked if it was me and that was Fubar. I think I have a pretty good track record of good sportsmanship but you know from the 5 minutes you got to know me while you were ranting i'm sure***

As I said, I will give you and everyone else exactly what I get.

***So what you are saying is you will team kill anyone who insults you back...wow good sport...'A' class***

If you feel this is unfair tell Joaquin or anyone else you like and we can all have a nice discussion about it.

*** I don't need to tell anyone other than inform the community of people who teamkill. You seem to get very uset very quickly and accuse people of things you don't know so I thought people should be warned. As I said as far as I am concerned I dealt with you and that was enough for me***

If you want to justify spawn killing and then reigniting a situation that had cooled by "jabbing" another player I'm confident you and I will have more confrontations because this behavior is totally unacceptable.

***It's not spawnkilling as I said, the jabbing was wrong as I said and for that I am sorry but you are out of control and but for the jab you instigated the whole mess so let's just settle the rest in the air.***

Whippy, I wasn't planing on responding to thise thread but you invited my name into this. I'm NOT the extreme case. There are so many pilots who adhere to my view on spawnkilling then just me. PLEASE do NOT isolate me on my position. There are so many ways to protect yourself on a bombing run without spawnkilling: bomb the hangers coming in from behind the runway, bombing the hangers from the side of the runway, etc., etc. If the planes are in the air then shooting is acceptible and everyone agrees on that. If one is camping AFTER everyone in your group close to base has bombed then HEAD BACK TO BASE AND RELOAD!!!!!

I'm sorry Whippy. When one tries to isolate a pilots views that are beyond just ones self then you can see how the "oneself" is going to respond.

I'm sorry Whippy. I like how you apologized but I agree with Lioneyes on this one.

....but teamkilling is NEVER allowed even to make a point. So on that I disagree with Lioneyes.

doughens wrote: Whippy, I wasn't planing on responding to thise thread but you invited my name into this. I'm NOT the extreme case. There are so many pilots who adhere to my view on spawnkilling then just me. PLEASE do NOT isolate me on my position. There are so many ways to protect yourself on a bombing run without spawnkilling: bomb the hangers coming in from behind the runway, bombing the hangers from the side of the runway, etc., etc. If the planes are in the air then shooting is acceptible and everyone agrees on that. If one is camping AFTER everyone in your group close to base has bombed then HEAD BACK TO BASE AND RELOAD!!!!!

I'm sorry Whippy. When one tries to isolate a pilots views that are beyond just ones self then you can see how the "oneself" is going to respond.

I'm sorry Whippy. I like how you apologized but I agree with Lioneyes on this one.

Sorry Swop I didn't mean to single you out...it was more that you were the counter argument of Bomber's points in the great debate so i used you as an example of someone I know who has this opinion. From what I saw most players felt while on bombing run is fine which is also my opinion and I know you disagree with me and that's fine by me...we can have different opinions and still be ok can't we?

Lioneyes wrote: In repost to Whiplash,

First, although you may not be familiar with me I've played this game far, far, far longer then you have and the majority of older players will tell you I play fair, I play very clean and I also don't take crap from anyone - moderator or not.

You were no angel. That's quite a generous assessment of your behavior. A 6-1 game was not my complaint and you, I'm quite sure, given your exceptional recall of events remember this was not my issue. My complaint, fully justified, was that in a 6-1 game you don't need to shoot anyone as they are respawning, bombing run or not. Ask Von Pay, Wig, Coop, Dogss,--J--, Manfred if I shoot anyone on the ground ever. They will all tell you no but that is my personal policy and I don't impose it on anyone else. However, if the game is to have even a modicum of class and sportsmanship then a 6-1 mismatch is definitely the time not to spawn kill the opponent and then lamely try to it by claiming you were on a bomb run. If you can't tell if someone is on the ground or in the air then you should go to the kiddy server and practice.

If you think your job is to "jab" people you're wrong. The issue was over and dropped when you reopened it by antagonizing someone who was already clearly not happy about being spawned several times. Perhaps in the future you can use better, more mature judgement to discern when it might be appropriate to "jab" someone or just let it be. I believe you are a moderator and frankly I would expect far more from you then initiating another argument and publicly taunting a player. Apparently this expectation is far beyond what you are capable of managing.

Another player showed up in another game shortly after the incident and said you continued to bad-mouth me in that room. I won't reveal this player's name because I find you to be vindictive, juvenile, untrustworthy and very likely to take it out on them. It does however, clearly show your maturity level and inability to behave yourself in a sportsmanlike manner because trash talking someone when they are absent is extremely low.

As I said, I will give you and everyone else exactly what I get. If you feel this is unfair tell Joaquin or anyone else you like and we can all have a nice discussion about it. If you want to justify spawn killing and then reigniting a situation that had cooled by "jabbing" another player I'm confident you and I will have more confrontations because this behavior is totally unacceptable.

I never seen seven kill on the ground. And he's a pain A$$ if hes just bombed your base or boat. He gives as good as he gets when heated. We've,had our moments. Other the that I'll stfu. But he's a stand up old school solid player. Sorry whip to but in. Your aces wwith me too. Go kill eachother..always works

No I'm not imposing my code, I'm asking you and other players to maturely look at a situation and discern if maybe, just maybe 6-1 is enough odds for any one player to face and that "normal" tactics aren't called for in this atypical scenario. You obviously believe in running up the score and demeaning your opponent to make yourself feel good. Then you feel the need to taunt and bad mouth him publicly when he is not around. Super class act champ.

You didn't just spawn me once, you shot me three times while your teammates had already bombed and were circling overhead. I've seen a 1000 guys just like you who get off on the beat down, have big mouths, instigate fights and then turnaround and get upset because the other player finally has enough.

You proved unable to drop the subject and I'd frankly had enough of your "jabbing" and public taunting. You got what you deserved because you didn't have the maturity to stop instigating and I let you know by the one means left me. You're the type of person who pulls the dog's tail and then gets mad when he turns around and bites you.

Seeing as you haven't learned this yet let me help you. It's really easy to tell if someone is on the ground because they remain at the far end of the runway and don't move toward you or change elevation. After you shoot them down, they respawn and guess where they are? Yep, at the end of the runway, not moving, on the ground.

Trust me I don't need you to make it easier on me but I guess a fair question is, is 6-1 not enough of an advantage for you? With your argument the answer is obviously no, 6-1 is not enough of an advantage. You are so pathetic you feel the need to spawn kill 3 times to win the game even with a 6-1 advantage, 5 hangers gone and 4 of your players circling overhead. You are truly an ace.

You're just a punk, high with his moderator title who thinks it's ok to act like a jerk because you're accountable to no one. "Settle it in the sky", ok John Wayne. What a tool. Clearly you're not smart enough to realize you're doing exactly what I said you did in the game which is you're instigating another fight and another argument in the future by tossing this out. Unreal. Great choice for a moderator.

dogss wrote:

Lioneyes wrote: In repost to Whiplash,

First, although you may not be familiar with me I've played this game far, far, far longer then you have and the majority of older players will tell you I play fair, I play very clean and I also don't take crap from anyone - moderator or not.

You were no angel. That's quite a generous assessment of your behavior. A 6-1 game was not my complaint and you, I'm quite sure, given your exceptional recall of events remember this was not my issue. My complaint, fully justified, was that in a 6-1 game you don't need to shoot anyone as they are respawning, bombing run or not. Ask Von Pay, Wig, Coop, Dogss,--J--, Manfred if I shoot anyone on the ground ever. They will all tell you no but that is my personal policy and I don't impose it on anyone else. However, if the game is to have even a modicum of class and sportsmanship then a 6-1 mismatch is definitely the time not to spawn kill the opponent and then lamely try to it by claiming you were on a bomb run. If you can't tell if someone is on the ground or in the air then you should go to the kiddy server and practice.

If you think your job is to "jab" people you're wrong. The issue was over and dropped when you reopened it by antagonizing someone who was already clearly not happy about being spawned several times. Perhaps in the future you can use better, more mature judgement to discern when it might be appropriate to "jab" someone or just let it be. I believe you are a moderator and frankly I would expect far more from you then initiating another argument and publicly taunting a player. Apparently this expectation is far beyond what you are capable of managing.

Another player showed up in another game shortly after the incident and said you continued to bad-mouth me in that room. I won't reveal this player's name because I find you to be vindictive, juvenile, untrustworthy and very likely to take it out on them. It does however, clearly show your maturity level and inability to behave yourself in a sportsmanlike manner because trash talking someone when they are absent is extremely low.

As I said, I will give you and everyone else exactly what I get. If you feel this is unfair tell Joaquin or anyone else you like and we can all have a nice discussion about it. If you want to justify spawn killing and then reigniting a situation that had cooled by "jabbing" another player I'm confident you and I will have more confrontations because this behavior is totally unacceptable.

I never seen seven kill on the ground. And he's a pain A$$ if hes just bombed your base or boat. He gives as good as he gets when heated. We've,had our moments. Other the that I'll stfu. But he's a stand up old school solid player. Sorry whip to but in. Your aces wwith me too. Go kill eachother..always works

His honor isn't in question and I bet he feels the same as Swop that is different than me and different again from Bomber. We can all have our opinions of how to play, this is mine.

doughens wrote: ....but teamkilling is NEVER allowed even to make a point. So on that I disagree with Lioneyes.

Eye for an Eye swop? What say you? Not a good code to live by?

Aw cmon dogss,you killed me plenty..when i was in air turning,wait..thats fair. oh!.. when i was in a dive!!..oh yeah. fair too. I know!. when i was goin after a tank and you got me from above!!..oh......wait. ..well......i hate Frank Sinatra . so there!. actually i like New York song...........damn muppets

Lioneyes wrote: No I'm not imposing my code, I'm asking you and other players to maturely look at a situation and discern if maybe, just maybe 6-1 is enough odds for any one player to face and that "normal" tactics aren't called for in this atypical scenario.

***So you want me to take it easy on you? Not a chance, a lower level player sure***

You obviously believe in running up the score and demeaning your opponent to make yourself feel good. Then you feel the need to taunt and bad mouth him publicly when he is not around. Super class act champ.

*** If I wanted to run up the score I would have circled the base shooting you down over and over. I shot you down when I needed to shoot you down. Keep slinging insults and making crap up....you whined I called you on it grow up. I can't say anything bad about you since I don't know anything bad about you to say even if I wanted to say something. You were mad, you wanted to insult people and I insulted you back.***

You didn't just spawn me once, you shot me three times while your teammates had already bombed and were circling overhead. I've seen a 1000 guys just like you who get off on the beat down, have big mouths, instigate fights and then turnaround and get upset because the other player finally has enough.

***What I was first in?? Wow!***

You proved unable to drop the subject and I'd frankly had enough of your "jabbing" and public taunting. You got what you deserved because you didn't have the maturity to stop instigating and I let you know by the one means left me. You're the type of person who pulls the dog's tail and then gets mad when he turns around and bites you.


***So you team kill when people piss you off ok then. Besides using your analogy I am someone who pulls the dogs tail, hears him bark, pulls more gets bitten and bites back!***

Seeing as you haven't learned this yet let me help you. It's really easy to tell if someone is on the ground because they remain at the far end of the runway and don't move toward you or change elevation. After you shoot them down, they respawn and guess where they are? Yep, at the end of the runway, not moving, on the ground.

***On bombing I hit moving or not***

Trust me I don't need you to make it easier on me but I guess a fair question is, is 6-1 not enough of an advantage for you? With your argument the answer is obviously no, 6-1 is not enough of an advantage. You are so pathetic you feel the need to spawn kill 3 times to win the game even with a 6-1 advantage, 5 hangers gone and 4 of your players circling overhead. You are truly an ace.

***More insults I can see you do have high moral fibre. What I said is I get it over with play finish the lopsided game quick and start a new one.***

You're just a punk, high with his moderator title who thinks it's ok to act like a jerk because you're accountable to no one. "Settle it in the sky", ok John Wayne. What a tool. Clearly you're not smart enough to realize you're doing exactly what I said you did in the game which is you're instigating another fight and another argument in the future by tossing this out. Unreal. Great choice for a moderator.

***Even more insults, I am not really a mod that you keep trying to hang over my head, I own a squad that makes me that sort of by default. I am accountable to the same people everyone here is and you make so many absurd assertions that are baseless or ridiculous that I don't even know why you care this much other than you let your angar get the better of you and you lost control and broke the rules of the game. For the record you broke the rules not me. Where else do you want to settle this? ***

Can I give my opinion as just a regular old player. Probably none of my business but i like all of you guys.

When I am on a bombing run my guns are blazing at anything and everything, i don't care if it was 10 to 1, my job is to bomb, i'm very old and i am so intense on what I'm doing that i would not notice if you were off the ground or not and if there are 2 or more taking off at the same time than you just have to blaze away.

Once i drop then i normally leave unless someone is coming over the hill and i will help him then turn back to our base.

I have been in many games in the last few days where i was alone or next to alone when all the red was headed in, i expect to be shot taking off, it's frustrating but it's also i believe a part of the game.

I sincerely hope you both can work it out, you are both good people. There are some though that do just hang around even when no one is coming. That should be the definition of SK. Take care to both you guys.

Im just an old guy just Rampling along.

Since my name was brought into this as well:

- IMO (and others do disagree), shooting someone in the spawn position is strategic in a bombing mission when incoming with a bomb. The spawning pilot has the OPTION to hold brakes, and not let off. I've been in this position before: with incoming bombing planes streaming bullets at me, I may let off if I see a break, or I may hang on and even let them bomb, if it means I can get up and shoot them down right after. I find that pilots are weakest right after they've delivered a bomb, kind of breathing a momentary sigh of relief, and I can get them then. Oh and if the incoming planes DON'T stream bullets, I WILL shoot them down on their approach. (Umm, depending how good they are, and whether I'm in the Zone.)

- If I'm incoming with a bomb, I won't stream bullets at a low or mid-rank.

- In a 6:1 against me, I would never ask for someone to join my side, I would never ask for a red to leave the game to even things up better, and I would never ask for anyone to let up on me. If I did the latter, and they eased up, what do I do if they then got within my sights? Fire, or no? After all, they backed off on me. This is a silly situation, and it only results in "Oh well I let up on you and then you shot me, and then you let up on me and I shot you, then someone else shot me and you..." If we deal with what we're dealt, it's often amazing what 6:1 can do to you, sometimes (sometimes) opening up the inner depths where you can reach in and find Game that you didn't think you had.
- However, if someone asks for relief, I'll give it to them. Until they shoot me

- Now, note that this is protecting or self-protecting INCOMING bombers. I have a problem with pilots like Korea Air Force 1st or Loewenhardt who fly like the spawn point is their personal punching bag. If someone spawns in a DF mission, I circle, and wait until they are up in the air and at full maneuvering speed. After the bombs have dropped in BTB, I leave, unless someone is dumb enough to shoot at me as I'm leaving. But pilots like these guys hang around, shooting the spawn point from wherever, with no bomb strapped and no bombers in sight. I won't play on the same team with them, but I do try my best to take them on as an enemy. (Personal note: Loewenhardt is an excellent chaser, and I wish he would fly more cleanly. KAF is a joke and clearly has racked up most of his kills on the runway.)

- While I wasn't there, Snid, is it possible that you mouthed off a bit too much? That seems to be a central issue here, the pebble that overflowed the glass. Excessive righteous indignation over getting whined at? Possible?

- And Seven, despite anything that Snid did, shooting a blue is Bad Stuff. Come on here to vent, but don't be shooting blues. IMO, that doesn't help you make your point. Nor do insults, but that's your own deal.

That Dueling mode sure is sounding better and better!

Manfred

Manfred wrote: Since my name was brought into this as well:

- IMO (and others do disagree), shooting someone in the spawn position is strategic in a bombing mission when incoming with a bomb. The spawning pilot has the OPTION to hold brakes, and not let off. I've been in this position before: with incoming bombing planes streaming bullets at me, I may let off if I see a break, or I may hang on and even let them bomb, if it means I can get up and shoot them down right after. I find that pilots are weakest right after they've delivered a bomb, kind of breathing a momentary sigh of relief, and I can get them then. Oh and if the incoming planes DON'T stream bullets, I WILL shoot them down on their approach. (Umm, depending how good they are, and whether I'm in the Zone.)

- If I'm incoming with a bomb, I won't stream bullets at a low or mid-rank.

- In a 6:1 against me, I would never ask for someone to join my side, I would never ask for a red to leave the game to even things up better, and I would never ask for anyone to let up on me. If I did the latter, and they eased up, what do I do if they then got within my sights? Fire, or no? After all, they backed off on me. This is a silly situation, and it only results in "Oh well I let up on you and then you shot me, and then you let up on me and I shot you, then someone else shot me and you..." If we deal with what we're dealt, it's often amazing what 6:1 can do to you, sometimes (sometimes) opening up the inner depths where you can reach in and find Game that you didn't think you had.
- However, if someone asks for relief, I'll give it to them. Until they shoot me

- Now, note that this is protecting or self-protecting INCOMING bombers. I have a problem with pilots like Korea Air Force 1st or Loewenhardt who fly like the spawn point is their personal punching bag. If someone spawns in a DF mission, I circle, and wait until they are up in the air and at full maneuvering speed. After the bombs have dropped in BTB, I leave, unless someone is dumb enough to shoot at me as I'm leaving. But pilots like these guys hang around, shooting the spawn point from wherever, with no bomb strapped and no bombers in sight. I won't play on the same team with them, but I do try my best to take them on as an enemy. (Personal note: Loewenhardt is an excellent chaser, and I wish he would fly more cleanly. KAF is a joke and clearly has racked up most of his kills on the runway.)

- While I wasn't there, Snid, is it possible that you mouthed off a bit too much? That seems to be a central issue here, the pebble that overflowed the glass. Excessive righteous indignation over getting whined at? Possible?

- And Seven, despite anything that Snid did, shooting a blue is Bad Stuff. Come on here to vent, but don't be shooting blues. IMO, that doesn't help you make your point. Nor do insults, but that's your own deal.

That Dueling mode sure is sounding better and better!

Manfred

Manfred you are always spot on in my mind. Did I mouth off too much, probably and as I said that was wrong and the jab too was wrong and for that I am sorry and I will refrain from doing that again.

LOL, your name shows up in blue as a moderator, I don't run the site. Funny, you also pulled the "you're reported" card on two different people in the same game so you clearly see yourself as a moderator.

Absurd, baseless accusations - hilarious!!! A comedian too. You're right, I made it all up. Total bull, the whole thing, sorry my fantasy world got the best of me again. You are clearly innocent and behaved remarkably well.

So sorry I got mad because you spawn raped me 3 times in a 6-1 match then bad mouthed me in another game and trash talked me in a room I was absent from. Next time I'll thank you. Seeing as the advantage, trash talk and cheap play doesn't make you happy maybe a nice sweet thank you will.

Where do I want to settle it? Sounds like a threat. Such a tough guy. I hope you're big too. LOL.

You're entitled to your opinion Manfred and as I said I don't impose my policy on anyone else. I also don't ask anyone to leave or join me if I'm outnumbered. I suck it up and I play. Prior to getting spawned I said nothing about the odds - not a peep.

What I am asking for is some sportsmanship. Even professional sports teams have a certain sensitivity to when to turn off the gas. If you don't believe spawning someone 3 times, outnumbered 6-1, with 5 hangers gone and 4 people flying over head is a bit much I guess we have a very different opinion of what's sportsmanlike. If it's just a game, then it should be ok to show a little sportsmanship. If it's not a game then the argument is always that we're taking this too seriously. So which is it? Is it a game where some sportsmanship should be expected in some instances or is it not a game where anything goes? If anything goes, then I'll start spawn killing, shooting on the ground and playing as dirty as possible because what you're saying is there is no conduct that is unacceptable in order to win.

I'm so happy that Whiplash feels you're always spot on in his mind (sycophant) personally, I disagree. Regardless, when I shut up about a situation and someone else continues on and starts taunting me in public AND bad mouths me in another room where I'm not even present, I think that is more then enough to piss anyone off. It hasn't been addressed so I want to be clear that you're also fine with me badmouthing this guy whenever I want because apparently that is condoned as well? Because according to the other player he went on and on and on in particularly nasty language. If you're going to chastise me for insults lets find out what he said to everyone in the other room before you point anymore fingers at me. Or are you not interested in the whole story?

This whole thing is hilarious because after the game I dropped it. I said nothing to him as we started the next game, it was he, who'd just spawned me 3 times who felt the need to bring it up again and insult me. Ridiculous that he's the one who turns around now and is upset. Absolutely farcical that he picks a fight and then cries when someone stands up to him. Typical bully behavior. Sorry, I'm a martial arts instructor, I stand up for myself against bullies and that's how I see this guy – a bully who's used to everyone backing down from him.

Also, to be clear, Whiplash turned around and shot me down so he obviously can get mad enough to reply in kind. So if the argument is that nothing warrants shooting down a blue, then nothing warrants shooting down a blue - PERIOD. Or does this rule just apply to me?

Lioneyes wrote: LOL, your name shows up in blue as a moderator, I don't run the site. Funny, you also pulled the "you're reported" card on two different people in the same game so you clearly see yourself as a moderator.

Absurd, baseless accusations - hilarious!!! A comedian too. You're right, I made it all up. Total bull, the whole thing, sorry my fantasy world got the best of me again. You are clearly innocent and behaved remarkably well.

So sorry I got mad because you spawn raped me 3 times in a 6-1 match then bad mouthed me in another game and trash talked me in a room I was absent from. Next time I'll thank you. Seeing as the advantage, trash talk and cheap play doesn't make you happy maybe a nice sweet thank you will.

Where do I want to settle it? Sounds like a threat. Such a tough guy. I hope you're big too. LOL.

I can only change my squads threads posts and topics with the rights I have. The reporting tool is new and anyone can use it you just open the game player list and hit someone's name and there is a report button. I certainly don't like making you as upset as I have. With the thread spawn killing the great debate I followed many players opinions on what is good bad and just ok. What I did with hitting you on the runway is a strategy that is just ok, some don't like it while most think it's ok or don't care. If I thought you would be this upset I would have done something else since while I may not agree with your position I respect you as a player and if I know your way I would respect that. For example I would never ever hit Swop near the runway. I respect and know his view about that and I will change to ensure a better game for all. You started with the insults, and I'm a loud mouth so everything I did from that point on didn't help. I honestly don't know what you are talking about me trash talking about you in another game. Lastly I'be never been described as small and I chose in the game to settle our beef, do you really want more.

Seven/LE,

The thing about people leaving or joining was just examples of what I'd do (or not do), and the third of that was the example that pertained here (backing off). Sorry, I tend to ramble and go off on tangents.

Oh I'm big on sportsmanship. But in extreme situations, I don't expect it from others, as it would just get me killed. Again, I wasn't there, so this is just one guy speculating about another's situation, which is barely meaningful. But if it were me, the reds flew all the way to my base, and I don't expect them to do anything but bomb, shoot, and try to win the game. Sometimes one of them says "hey let him get up." But it doesn't bother me if they don't. I likely will still lose the game, but it just makes any kills all the more sweet.

So maybe I have a lower expectation of sportsmanship than you do. No reflection on either of us.

I would guess that without Snid's remarks in the next game, you might have just chalked it up to his being a bit of a crass a-hole (which he is) (sorry Snid you're just not a Sweet Ol' Guy) (like Dogss) (lol), and walk away disagreeing with the style. A lot. And then there's always someone who can push our buttons just right, and that's Snid. He got you so worked up that you blasted a blue. Having been in-game with you numerous times, I bet you've never done that before.

Anyway, I'm not here to stop the venting. Just tossing in my two cents. Carry on.

Manfred

legendofkane wrote: BEEN THERE..It was suxxor and me only in a btc against lapa,who never carries,deecee,guz mosby,and 2 others...well we toughed it out till blues started coming in. Then reds bailed or lost conn. and now it was just lapa,sitting on deck and guz.Lapa said its not good 2v5...i reminded him that me and suxxor WAS those 2 earlier..no response,except for lol from suxxor.. then suxxor wants a tank and i shoot em,,lapa says i was sk, actually its tk and i told him i never shot at him once on deck. Guz finally got tired of flying alone and left,,lapa shortly after,wheels never leaving deck.

Wrong quote dammit

Another player came into the game I was in and said you were bad mouthing me very badly. That's your call. I said it was fine, you can handle yourself the way you choose, that's not my style. I'd dropped it.

I choose to not beat on people particularly when it's clear they have no chance. If someone can shoot me down when it's 6-1 as I come into bomb my opinion is I need to get better at evasion. More then once I've told my team, ok guys they're alone, let's go back to base and wrap this up. No need to rub it in. That's me. You play how you want.

I'm not high and mighty, I clearly have a temper and say stupid stuff but I don't do the beat down thing and I don't trash talk unless I feel someone does something nasty or cheap. You will not see me go hehe, or haha or any of that crap when I shoot someone down. I was a top athlete, a wrestler, martial artist, soccer player, track star and baseball player. I was trained by an Olympian and Green Beret as a martial artist. I never enjoy beating a team/individual that clearly is so outmatched they have no chance. I play to win but I try to show the enemy some respect.

Again, that's just me. Issue dropped as far as I'm concerned.

legendofkane wrote: Aw cmon dogss,you killed me plenty..when i was in air turning,wait..thats fair. oh!.. when i was in a dive!!..oh yeah. fair too. I know!. when i was goin after a tank and you got me from above!!..oh......wait. ..well......i hate Frank Sinatra . so there!. actually i like New York song...........damn muppets

Luck be a lady,tonight........and yes as everyone knows I am a man of PEACE. A beacon of light shinning in this cruel bitter dark world..just ask Manfred or Reid. Lol FEAR FRANKY !

Manfred wrote: Seven/LE,

The thing about people leaving or joining was just examples of what I'd do (or not do), and the third of that was the example that pertained here (backing off). Sorry, I tend to ramble and go off on tangents.

Oh I'm big on sportsmanship. But in extreme situations, I don't expect it from others, as it would just get me killed. Again, I wasn't there, so this is just one guy speculating about another's situation, which is barely meaningful. But if it were me, the reds flew all the way to my base, and I don't expect them to do anything but bomb, shoot, and try to win the game. Sometimes one of them says "hey let him get up." But it doesn't bother me if they don't. I likely will still lose the game, but it just makes any kills all the more sweet.

So maybe I have a lower expectation of sportsmanship than you do. No reflection on either of us.

I would guess that without Snid's remarks in the next game, you might have just chalked it up to his being a bit of a crass a-hole (which he is) (sorry Snid you're just not a Sweet Ol' Guy) (like Dogss) (lol), and walk away disagreeing with the style. A lot. And then there's always someone who can push our buttons just right, and that's Snid. He got you so worked up that you blasted a blue. Having been in-game with you numerous times, I bet you've never done that before.

Anyway, I'm not here to stop the venting. Just tossing in my two cents. Carry on.


Manfred

Righto. I need to toughen up. No more sweetheart dogss out there. From now on Im going to try and be more assertive and a bit aggressive even.....( insert smiley of your choice)

LOL

Looking foward to the late night flying crowd later this should be a Fun night. See yous out there

I flew earlier today and met a real sour apple. His/her name is magentabaron. I dont know the exact way but thats the name. He was using some seriously foul words. Entered the game saying Kestrel u F*** and i never even met him. When whip broke in and said to watch the language he called him a c*nt. And then made a bunch more disrespectful and completely out of the way language. Whip, BTJ, AND I THINK ONEBALL was there. BTJ said he got pics and whip said he reported him ingame. I dont know if the ingame reporting works or not so im making sure this guy gets his justice served. He is very verbally abusive. He is also a noobie level 9 i believe. Whip if u can remember the name completely can u help me out.

I believe there's another thread around here called what does dogfight need added. I believe it's a boxing ring or a cage of death if possible....I know there's a few that would like to spear me with a shiny sharp object by God...think of the you tube videos we might,even,get our iwn,reality TV show..Dogfight Forum when destroying your foes virtual airplane just isn't enough....I could sell it.

Yes, that's what happened and that was his name.

Actually, I think it's probably a rusty object Dogss but same general idea. Cage fight...hmmmm. I like ring girls, I'm in.

Lioneyes wrote: Actually, I think it's probably a rusty object Dogss but same general idea. Cage fight...hmmmm. I like ring girls, I'm in.

Lol. Good then I'll hold u to it. Hopefully a fire of some sort to just keep moving things right along.