Ok im old school df1 .from the time of straight line shooting.
I like the new bullet drop and i also hate it.
It does brring a new challenge to the game .the one thing i see bullet drop doing is causing pilots to crash together much more than ever before.

I was thinking. That to lessen crashes between players shoud we ask for the amount of drop to be decreased.or taken out completely
One thing i have found about bullet drop is it makes everyone average.shooter.i like fair games and everyone should have a chance but not one pilot can really stand out anymore...

So post some commentls and thoughts here
I guess im just tired of crash crash crash

Wabbit you gotta kill them further away.

I'm with Wabbit on this one,bullet drop is not consistent ,for me it's ruined a good game,bring back straight shooting.
If you remember the vote was against bullet drop,so I don't know why Zup put it in.

I know i had 44 members of TBH (The Black Hornets) before Elite came out alot tried Elite and most didn't like the bullet drop and left Dog fight. i have stayed in touch with a few via email asking them if they are coming back they all say when the bullet drop has gone.i am sort of used to it now but i video some of my game play and look at where im making mistakes .sometimes it seems i am reverting back to df1 aiming just from habit of 3 years of df1.but i find the bullet drop is very inconsistent and i think its dependent on lag with the laser shooting of df it didn't make much difference if a player lagged but in elite if a player lags it changes the impact point of the bullet. imagine if a player lags by a millisecond either way one millisecond behind you or one millisecond in front of you or he doesn't lag at all there are realistically 3 bullet impact points .i have to adjust my aim every game if i play a player in one game the next time i see him i have to adjust my aim and find out where im hitting him .also if he has team mates i have to find the spot where they are in the sky and where their impact point is .its very heres my pun HIT N MISS

So bullet drop is bad, trees are too problematic, troublemakers are refusing to fly straight down the valley of death, PC players are evil necromancers, new challenges are icky, etc.; so in a nutshell, what you're saying is . . . you want df-1 back.

I liked getting my milk delivered to the little galvanized box on my front porch, but, when faced with the dilemma of either giving up milk for the rest of my life or unravelling the mysteries of the modern dairy industry . . . I eventually embraced progress, faced up to the challenge, learned some new skills, and started going to the local market for my milk.

Bullet drop is good because it brings a tiny little bit of realism into a game that is still billed as a "combat airplane simulator". Dog hit on the real problem; lag. It's not grudgingly tolerable lag like we had in df-1, it's constant, ridiculous, people don't want to play this game anymore lag. I think we need either better servers and/or at the very least more servers. Of course that requires either more subscribers or higher prices or Zup getting a paper route to pay for it.
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Se you are right it brings a tiny bit of realism to the game.but it does cause crash after crash in the game.just imagine your kdr with out the constant crashes.
Many pilots now hold thier fire until they get close witch leads to a ton of crashes.the game kinda loses its fun when you have 12 deaths and 9 of them are from crashes.
Im not saying bullet drop is a bad thing.i kinda like it.but if zup could make less drop then maybe we could make a close quater kill and actually keep flying.
And with the old style straight shooting many pilots developed skills to do it.
Now the game is like this you jump into a game and just expect a ton of deaths due to crashes.yeah thats a lot of fun.

And like dog said its not always consistent.some games i can see my rounds dropping make a kill the3n the next run same shot i have to adjust my fire because somthing has changed in the game.where i was getting hit is now falling short or going long.and if someone is lagging at all trying to get a hit is damn near impossible.
Now with all that being said wouldnt you want to stand out and be know for pin point shooting or do you want to continue being the same as everyone eles in the game.

''something changed in the game'' is usually some one else joining the game and maybe bringing lag with them the lag affects everyone in the game not just the person lagging.lag x bullet drop=where the bullets impact the plane

darraxx wrote: Se you are right it brings a tiny bit of realism to the game.but it does cause crash after crash in the game.just imagine your kdr with out the constant crashes.
Many pilots now hold thier fire until they get close witch leads to a ton of crashes.the game kinda loses its fun when you have 12 deaths and 9 of them are from crashes.
Im not saying bullet drop is a bad thing.i kinda like it.but if zup could make less drop then maybe we could make a close quater kill and actually keep flying.
And with the old style straight shooting many pilots developed skills to do it.
Now the game is like this you jump into a game and just expect a ton of deaths due to crashes.yeah thats a lot of fun.

And like dog said its not always consistent.some games i can see my rounds dropping make a kill the3n the next run same shot i have to adjust my fire because somthing has changed in the game.where i was getting hit is now falling short or going long.and if someone is lagging at all trying to get a hit is damn near impossible.
Now with all that being said wouldnt you want to stand out and be know for pin point shooting or do you want to continue being the same as everyone eles in the game.

And not to start any shat here.but if want want realism fighter planes in ww1 didnt carry bombs or have unlimited fuel.almost none of them had chutes or shot down planes form thier chute with an automatic rifle.or could just jump into a tank.

Juat saying bullet drop has made many players leave costing revenue for zup.its time to weigh the pros and cons.

Most noobs load the game but only try it for a short time most dont get the drop thing and give up fast.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, I do not like the elite and bullet drop. It ruined the game I loved.

Now the elite is still fun to a lot of people but the difference is this, new game is fun whereas the old dogfight was instantly addicting.

So many players are not playing any more.

Ok dix the problem is this.what would you rather see.players join and add money to zups account so we can get better servers .OR keep the bullet drop that has driven away older paying players and new players from paying to play.i couldn't tell you ho2 many noobs ive talked to that say the game sucks .because of the shooting.

I have flown against you.your no better than i am or anyone else in the game.and thats the point .the game is all about points yay.
You were in df1 did you not look up to the top shooters and say one day im going to be there too.did it not make you try to get better every time you flew.

Now its just eh ill go for a fly get some kills and get killed.
Bullet drop is cool and all that but all it did was make df just another game.and more arcade style than anything else

Why do you think so many people left the game.

Like i said it causes so many pilots to crash together.everyone's kdr is just plain

Zup if you read this please bring the skill back to the game.

LOVE the bullet drop!! Wish the game had the physics to take into account things like energy and dive speed and then rip the wings off the planes if you tried to do to hard a turn after a diving attack! I vote for more realism! And yes darraxx, the fighter planes in WWI did carry bombs.

Take a look at the forum now.wow.rember there was a post every 5 seconds.now it sits for hours.juat shows you how many people really care about the game.
Just a few old bones now
Make the game addictive againg bring back the glory of df.

this old pile of bones wouldn't mind a little tweek on the bullet drop, but not much, meanwhile enjoy the animation, one of my favs. :side:

Def a great animated short film! Similar to the one in Heavy Metal, but that had a WWII bomber..

I have that up on misfits thread thought i was the only one to ever see that

I don't care very much for the drop. I came back for the people and had to relearn the game again. I do find bullet drop inconsistent given different variables. I also like laser shooting... that I was good at. Bullet drop caused me to drop "Monster" as I'm no longer a monster.

And thats the whole point cannon.why should we be average.why cant we stand out.the only ones i see that want drop are pc players that already have an advantage to start with.maybe we should just let pc players have the game.i came bqck for the people not the bs.this game was originally made for android.but zup listens to only a few pc players they s3em to get everything they want i dont plant my lips for anyone .

Also there are to many creeps and low life's here now as everyone knows. The forum ain't much anymore.

To bad zup can't have 2 games, one like it was 4 years ago and the elite.

darraxx wrote: And thats the whole point cannon.why should we be average.why cant we stand out.the only ones i see that want drop are pc players that already have an advantage to start with.maybe we should just let pc players have the game.i came bqck for the people not the bs.this game was originally made for android.but zup listens to only a few pc players they s3em to get everything they want i dont plant my lips for anyone .

Darraxx, I have been playing on my Kindle for over a year now.. I adjusted, and I'd like to think I still stand out..

ZebraUp wrote:

darraxx wrote: And thats the whole point cannon.why should we be average.why cant we stand out.the only ones i see that want drop are pc players that already have an advantage to start with.maybe we should just let pc players have the game.i came bqck for the people not the bs.this game was originally made for android.but zup listens to only a few pc players they s3em to get everything they want i dont plant my lips for anyone .

Darraxx, I have been playing on my Kindle for over a year now.. I adjusted, and I'd like to think I still stand out..

Just average here now as well

So we All agree bullet drop as to go,to Zebra you never played the game we all played,so you don't get a say ok,

Thats just it zebra you dont stand out just like i dont stand out cannon doesnt no body does.gone are the skills.that we once needed.yes i can shoot from all angles yes when game is not lagging my arse off i can dance in the air.
But do you enjoy getting a close quarter kill and crashing.i dont think anyone dose .
Im Still good at long range shooting but get two experienced pilots it most likely end in a close quater crash

This game was once base on you either developed your skills or died tryin.where there was once pride in what you could do now its just oh well sqme old same old .

Zebra you get shot down more now than you did before .you were a great long rqnge shooter.now i see you holding fire until you get close...ohh yeah we have lost our skills and our pride.welcome to the whimpafcation of df

Oh zup this is to hard to do lets make everyon avarqge.great idea

Doggy Dix wrote: ": And thats the whole point cannon.why should we be average.why cant we stand out."

haha so you miss your 15 min in the spotlight on... DOGFIGHTPLAY.... isn´t that really sad... LMAO...

Now thats funny stuff there dix.anyone that knows me knows i fought my way to the top..
When you play a fair game let me know we can have a go at it

Well said Wabbit,couldn't agree more,Zup needs to start listening to what people want,I mean 4000 shots to take a plane down from a chute wtf.

By the way dix i was once #10 and held #11 in wr for a long time.so what spot do you hold now .rankings only go to 94.

See arent you happy i took a year off from df.good for you dix

You all having a pissing contest when it all comes down to it games not growing as it is now.why bullet drop constant lag an glitches but we had constant lag an glitches in df1 so why is it not growing

darraxx wrote: Thats just it zebra you dont stand out just like i dont stand out cannon doesnt no body does.gone are the skills.that we once needed.yes i can shoot from all angles yes when game is not lagging my arse off i can dance in the air.
But do you enjoy getting a close quarter kill and crashing.i dont think anyone dose .
Im Still good at long range shooting but get two experienced pilots it most likely end in a close quater crash

This game was once base on you either developed your skills or died tryin.where there was once pride in what you could do now its just oh well sqme old same old .

Zebra you get shot down more now than you did before .you were a great long rqnge shooter.now i see you holding fire until you get close...ohh yeah we have lost our skills and our pride.welcome to the whimpafcation of df

Oh zup this is to hard to do lets make everyon avarqge.great idea

Not trying to argue darraxx, but as up until a year ago I was on a laptop I was one of the suckiest (is that a word?) long range shooters in the game.. since switching to my Kindle my kdr has gotten even better and I am one of only a handful of players with more wins than deaths.. my long range shooting skills have improved and neither back then nor now do I go head to head with someone unless it's unavoidable (like they're incoming with a bomb or something) as I try to get on a reds six for the kill.. I'd like to think both my skills and pride are intact, and the "Oh #@$#!!" I hear when entering missions from the reds seem to support that.. or I'm being conned lol!

Simple the game is tough enough.zup added the bullet drop and most of the great pilots left.now add drop with lag and the constant camping of noobs qnd you get the answer.i do t have to camp a nood to get points.
But its the cocstant crashing into eachother that is driving players nuts.its not the occasional pilots truning into each other its the head on fights or trying to get an angle to shoot that does it..

Sure the bullet adds some type or realism.but at what cost to the game .but thats just it its a game like davy said the game used to be an instant addiction ....now its juat another game.

And im done with dix highjackin the thread i have no time for fools

Once upon a time, I had a very near 3:1 kill: death ratio,... now, nope