Was in a very good BTB game ,out numbered 3-2 against much respected top quality opponents and I must admit that I was a little disappointed when on several occasions ,after they had fought through our defence , then bombed and then deliberately crashed so they could get back quicker to try it again. I , myself, always try to fly back to base to reload and never deliberately crash.
My question is " is their style of play good form or bad" .
In no way is this meant as criticism as i greatly respect the player concerned , just wondered what you all think.

I think this is an evolution of the camping debate. I know Bici crashes after a good bomb run. I always took it as him not wanting to camp. It was his way of getting out of that area so the red can get up in the air and ready to defend without worrying about bombless reds behind them.

TXLAWMAN wrote: I think this is an evolution of the camping debate. I know Bici crashes after a good bomb run. I always took it as him not wanting to camp. It was his way of getting out of that area so the red can get up in the air and ready to defend without worrying about bombless reds behind them.

Good point , but to fly back to base whilst being chased seems more of a challenge rather than just crashing to get back quicker.

Me too. I always like to try and land and reload.

[*M] Pagan wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: I think this is an evolution of the camping debate. I know Bici crashes after a good bomb run. I always took it as him not wanting to camp. It was his way of getting out of that area so the red can get up in the air and ready to defend without worrying about bombless reds behind them.

Good point , but to fly back to base whilst being chased seems more of a challenge rather than just crashing to get back quicker.

This is a perfect example of why trying to enforce any particular ettiquete is futile and why it's a waste of effort to try to tell others how they should play.

Why ask: "Good form or bad"? when in fact it's all just a matter of perspective.

Is it bad to want to successfully return to base after bombing?
Is it bad to defend yourself (bombless) as you do?
Is it bad to ditch so you can get going on another run as fast as possible?
Is it bad for defenders to try to shoot you as you leave?
What if you are nearly back to your base and reds are inbound with bombs, is it wrong for you to defend your base since you are flying bombless?
How does rank, plane type, even or uneven sides play into it?

Why worry? There is no difinitive right or wrong. Just play.

i think its bad form dropping a bomb on the guys hangar any way wheres he gonna park his plane when he gets home ?

[NLR] McFate wrote:

[*M] Pagan wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: I think this is an evolution of the camping debate. I know Bici crashes after a good bomb run. I always took it as him not wanting to camp. It was his way of getting out of that area so the red can get up in the air and ready to defend without worrying about bombless reds behind them.

Good point , but to fly back to base whilst being chased seems more of a challenge rather than just crashing to get back quicker.

This is a perfect example of why trying to enforce any particular ettiquete is futile and why it's a waste of effort to try to tell others how they should play.

Why ask: "Good form or bad"? when in fact it's all just a matter of perspective.

Is it bad to want to successfully return to base after bombing?
Is it bad to defend yourself (bombless) as you do?
Is it bad to ditch so you can get going on another run as fast as possible?
Is it bad for defenders to try to shoot you as you leave?
What if you are nearly back to your base and reds are inbound with bombs, is it wrong for you to defend your base since you are flying bombless?
How does rank, plane type, even or uneven sides play into it?

Why worry? There is no difinitive right or wrong. Just play.

Nobody is trying to "enforce" anything , just asking for honest opinion , no need what so ever for you to get yourself all upset about it.

No worries Pagan, I'm not upset at all.

I'm just answering your question: "just wondered what you all think"

I have to agree that it is best not to judge others on types of play if they are not spawn killing or camping outside of defending incoming bombers . I was taught to crash and respawn to save time when I first joined the Misfits . So I can't really see anything wrong with it . Just my opinion .

Personally, I try to avoid crashing my plane unless I'm out of ammo and I want to take a red down with me.

While I do appreciate the fact that crashing is a great way to get back into another bomb run for my own personal gratification as quickly as possible, it has the same effect as the guys that purposely plant their prop in the ground to avoid taking the fourth hit; it robs the other guy from the chance of earning a kill. That may not be the motivation, but the outcome is the same. I'm also another one of those guys that likes fighting my way back and reloading.

The exception for me is always these nauseating BtB or BtC missions in the WWII games where everyone is blue . . . better to bomb-crash-rinse-repeat and get the milk run over with.
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I always liked to try and make it back to base after bombing.

There was one time before Elite, that I entered a game against two noobs, so I decided to not fire a shot just bomb. I was able to make it in and bomb, but didn't escape to reload, it was a good challenge.

Then there were many other times that I bombed, and did my best to return to base without dying. Sometimes I still had rounds left, other times I didn't. But it was always a thrill when I was dodging like crazy to try and make it back. Again, a great challenge, thus why I did it.

D- CC RIDER wrote: I have to agree that it is best not to judge others on types of play if they are not spawn killing or camping outside of defending incoming bombers . I was taught to crash and respawn to save time when I first joined the Misfits . So I can't really see anything wrong with it . Just my opinion .[/quot

Pretty sure what you didn't say is that if there are no opposing reds then crash.

[*M] Pagan wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote:

[*M] Pagan wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: I think this is an evolution of the camping debate. I know Bici crashes after a good bomb run. I always took it as him not wanting to camp. It was his way of getting out of that area so the red can get up in the air and ready to defend without worrying about bombless reds behind them.

Good point , but to fly back to base whilst being chased seems more of a challenge rather than just crashing to get back quicker.

This is a perfect example of why trying to enforce any particular ettiquete is futile and why it's a waste of effort to try to tell others how they should play.

Why ask: "Good form or bad"? when in fact it's all just a matter of perspective.

Is it bad to want to successfully return to base after bombing?
Is it bad to defend yourself (bombless) as you do?
Is it bad to ditch so you can get going on another run as fast as possible?
Is it bad for defenders to try to shoot you as you leave?
What if you are nearly back to your base and reds are inbound with bombs, is it wrong for you to defend your base since you are flying bombless?
How does rank, plane type, even or uneven sides play into it?

Why worry? There is no difinitive right or wrong. Just play.

Nobody is trying to "enforce" anything , just asking for honest opinion , no need what so ever for you to get yourself all upset about it.

Pagan.... He isn't. Personally I think the decision should me made based on who is on the opposing team and thiers planes stats compared to your own. If they outspeed you then there is no point trying to outrun them.

Do what is in the best interest of your team. It's bad form to fly back to base for egotistical purposes. Don't be selfish & Let's stop worrying about making the red team feel good about themselves. This ain't Little League.

Personally, if I make it all the way to the enemy base and manage to bomb a hangar or two, (or a carrier) I celebrate by dancing through the air above said base or carrier in order to drive the enemy reds crazy and distract them from my teams incoming bombers who are now flying in unopposed.. if the reds go after them then I shoot them down if I can.. often times I am Winchester (no ammo) and yet do the same thing, distract the reds.. often times sacrificing myself in the process.
If playing against newer players I will forego this and just shoot down one or two in order to make my escape.. BUT, if they shoot at my 6 I will turn around and kill until I run outta ammo!

We at Lafayette consider "camping" FUNdamental (it's a TACTIC and we even have our own brand of marshmallows especially formulated for roasting over the burning wreckage of enemy reds!

We make no apologies for our style of play, and don't expect any other players to do so either regardless how they play.. we don't condone spawnkilling, but as far as we are concerned zuperman made this game for people to play as they best deem fit!

So what is considered "camping" and what is considered "spawn killing"?
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S. E. Dailey wrote: So what is considered "camping" and what is considered "spawn killing"?
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"Camping" is considered hanging over or around a specific point.. like what I do after I bomb..

"Spawnkilling" is when you shoot people at or in the immediate proximity of their spawn point before they have a chance to defend themselves.. in this game shooting someone before they are truly airborne and have a chance to turn or drop or shoot.. their wheels being barely up off the runway or carrier isn't good enough as they still can't really do any of the previous mentioned acts!

Cricket wrote: Do what is in the best interest of your team. It's bad form to fly back to base for egotistical purposes. Don't be selfish & Let's stop worrying about making the red team feel good about themselves. This ain't Little League.

And crashing so you can get back quicker to get more points ain't egotistical ? Oh and l never realised that the object of the game was to make sure that your team wins at any cost , using any tactic as some seem to do...silly me and I thought we were all here to have fun.

[*M] Pagan wrote:

Cricket wrote: Do what is in the best interest of your team. It's bad form to fly back to base for egotistical purposes. Don't be selfish & Let's stop worrying about making the red team feel good about themselves. This ain't Little League.

And crashing so you can get back quicker to get more points ain't egotistical ? Oh and l never realised that the object of the game was to make sure that your team wins at any cost , using any tactic as some seem to do...silly me and I thought we were all here to have fun.

You didn't realize that the point to this game was to win? That's odd.

And, Zeb. You and your kin may let folks in the air, but don't lie and say that it's a fair fight. You all are in the better position, with altitude and speed to your advantage. If you want to call that fair, I'm gonna call you a liar. Play how you want, I don't give a crap. Just don't try to blow smoke up my ass.

It's interesting to read everyone's opinion on this, I am in the camp where it just depends on the game at the time. I like to get in to some turn fighting if I am lucky enough to get in and drop a bomb on a hangar, I usually get shot down rather than do a nose plant but I can't say that I have never done it and I'm not ashamed

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

D- CC RIDER wrote: I have to agree that it is best not to judge others on types of play if they are not spawn killing or camping outside of defending incoming bombers . I was taught to crash and respawn to save time when I first joined the Misfits . So I can't really see anything wrong with it . Just my opinion .[/quot

Pretty sure what you didn't say is that if there are no opposing reds then crash.

No actually I said it exactly as it was intended . Even if there are reds then I still crash after my bombs are dropped . If I do see my team close behind me and sides are even then I will defend incoming bombers occasionally .

i'd like to have a positive d/k someday... >sighs whistfully< so i do not ever intentionally crash.

Personally I only crash on purpose when I am out of ammo on a kill the zep mission, otherwise its fly home if possible. I admit I have crashed to get back and deal with a tank or some other immediate threat to my base or carrier, each game is different. Those instances are rare.

That doesn't mean I disagree with folks who deliberately crash to get back to base faster. Sometimes that is a smart tactical move. It really depends on the whole picture; who are your team mates, where are they now, where are the reds, etc. Flying home with reds on your tail can be futile since you will have to deal with them at some point. Better to deal with them in the air that parked on a runway reloading, right?

Bottom line is play how you like. Just because one person does or doesn't crash purposefully doesn't make it right or wrong. The decision should be more about the team than you.

airwolff wrote: i'd like to have a positive d/k someday... >sighs whistfully< so i do not ever intentionally crash.

Crashing does not add to your death count. It does show as a death in game, but does not show up on your stats. I learned a long time ago to just crash and respawn. Not only does it save time, it keeps the noobs (and trolls) from saying I am camping or cheating when I turn to defend myself from being shot in the back. I never understood the players that would shoot at a retreating enemy. I have voiced my opinion before, I don't care how you play, Its your game once you pay for it.

ALL'S FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR!

i thought the only game you don't want to crash in is bring down the zep ? i was told that you loose the points upon crashing and you either have to land safely in chute or reload at base to get those points from the bullets you put into that big silver condom

Viper10{WP} wrote: Personally I only crash on purpose when I am out of ammo on a kill the zep mission, otherwise its fly home if possible. I admit I have crashed to get back and deal with a tank or some other immediate threat to my base or carrier, each game is different. Those instances are rare.

That doesn't mean I disagree with folks who deliberately crash to get back to base faster. Sometimes that is a smart tactical move. It really depends on the whole picture; who are your team mates, where are they now, where are the reds, etc. Flying home with reds on your tail can be futile since you will have to deal with them at some point. Better to deal with them in the air that parked on a runway reloading, right?

Bottom line is play how you like. Just because one person does or doesn't crash purposefully doesn't make it right or wrong. The decision should be more about the team than you.

If I am outnumbered or expect red to reach before myself, or a good red player killing my team member or someone start camping at my base, I crash my plane to save my hangars, carrier, team members otherwise not and I don't see any bad in doing so.

ZebraUp wrote: Personally, if I make it all the way to the enemy base and manage to bomb a hangar or two, (or a carrier) I celebrate by dancing through the air above said base or carrier in order to drive the enemy reds crazy and distract them from my teams incoming bombers who are now flying in unopposed..!

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Doggy Dix wrote: why alway ppl try to paint things black or white... all depends on the situation just at the moment.... grey is an underestimated color I love to if ppl try use that much more than trying to categorize the smallest detail everything that happens in the game...

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