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Zup does know how to protect his game, we have seen it many times, but for this to happened we have to voice out the problems.


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Agree.

Those with no skill spawn kill And camp

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To lose revenue and new players is no small issue Doggy, I have seen games close forever over problems like this. Zuperman has always been responsible on taking care of the issuesand his business. Bubi was one problem and it was dealt and done with it, I am sure this new problem or behavior from those players could be dealt the same way. What we would prefer is for this players to modify their style of play on their own. It is sad to see players leave the game forever over such Bubi like behavior.


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Acegirl wrote: .

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Besides we do not have to worry about Mc Fates thread going off topic; if u notice all his threads always end up in a brawl!!!! LOL But that is on him, chaos and mayhem always follow Mc Fate.

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Lol!

Actually, this one is a pretty good discussion. No one has been disrespectful to anyone else... no one is saying any particular player should be banned. It kind of went off topic but Spawnkilling is big issue when KDR is being tracked, and solutions are elusive.

[M]Pagan wrote: Perhaps there should be a cordon around the base that an attacker must leave before they can return to kill again.

Hi Pagan.

That's the kind of idea that sounds good except when it comes to enforcement. It seems like it would be hellacious to try to enforce or even to track where the cordon boundaries are. The disputes would be endless.
What would that look like if it was coded into the game? It would have to be something like having your guns disabled if you are in enemy territory without a bomb. I wouldn't be into that, maybe some would like it. I think it would be too limiting and a pain for zup to program.

Dix's post about tanks made me think about the pilot after you get shot down. With all the new capabilities for the soldier coming in the next update Update 1.0.42 maybe there will be an anti-aircraft gun at the base! If you get spawnkilled, just go jump on the gun. Maybe zup could make a 30 second timer that would have to count down if you are shot by a base gun?

Lol! That might change the perspective a bit. Instead of feeling like "Oh man! Another spawnkiller!" It would be more of a "Go ahead! Make my day!" sort of thing. It could also be that AA guns could only be destroyed by bombs and tanks, so a bombless camper wouldn't be able to destroy it.

Hey Zup!

Doggy Dix wrote:
the option is already there jump out of your plane... use the riffle... gun the plane... 30 bullets to less... well jump in the plane reload gun the plane... and so on... maybe is enough if zup make a option to the riffle... a MG that could make a lot of difference and even it out a bit

Like this?

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I was not I favor of Bubi getting banned from the game, I tried to explain to him that his tactic was not viewed as appropriate and that the community was asking for his removal from the game. If u feel that span killing is a tactic like he did why dint you post on his defense? A precedent was set when Bubi got banned for excessive span killing and it came with a warning from zuperman. I think that those that are doing this now should try to behave, just the way I ask Bubi to do. He did not …


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Doggy Dix wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote:
the option is already there jump out of your plane... use the riffle... gun the plane... 30 bullets to less... well jump in the plane reload gun the plane... and so on... maybe is enough if zup make a option to the riffle... a MG that could make a lot of difference and even it out a bit

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to big to have in cockpit and jump out with but i Think you got the idea...lol

LMAO!

I was thinking about having a couple of those sitting at the bases! But hey, if you can pull a tank out of your arse when you parachute to the ground why not an ack-ack gun too?

Doggy Dix wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote:
the option is already there jump out of your plane... use the riffle... gun the plane... 30 bullets to less... well jump in the plane reload gun the plane... and so on... maybe is enough if zup make a option to the riffle... a MG that could make a lot of difference and even it out a bit

Like this?

to big to have in cockpit and jump out with but i Think you got the idea...lol

LMAO!

I was thinking about having a couple of those sitting at the bases! But hey, if you can pull a tank out of your arse when you parachute to the ground why not an ack-ack gun too?

well i dont have to pull it out i already see the cannon barrel infront of my guts, just to lock an load...


when i started to play i remember there was guns at the base for a while, but i dont remeber if there was any one taht could use them...

Or how about the AI tanks that used to be in the practice missions? When did those dissappear? It wasn't easy to get past level 3 the first few times.

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Then we should ask Bubi to come back to the game and tell him we were wrong that we are sorry.
On your own argument u say “ok bad sides was when he start to pin those unexperienced players he get to bloodthirsty... “ Hellooooooooooooooooooooo this is what I am talking about. The new players are testing the game and they get discourage if they get pin when they are just starting in a game. The little soldier does bring a variety of options, but does not in any way save new players from getting discourage and abandoning the game. They are new and some do not own the soldier or the tanks and those who do sometimes do not know how to use it. Why continue to promote the bloodbath and call out those that do this. You are confusing, you give the impression that span killing is ok to do; but yet realize it bad to pin down those unexperienced players.


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Acegirl,

I'm not promoting spawnkilling. I think it's abusive and I agree that it makes some people want to quit. I also see that so far Zup has not been able to eliminate spawnkilling by making in-game mechanisms. I understand that it is helpful to model "good" behavior and to encourage new players to be courteous.

The problem is that when there is a rule with no automatic mechanism to enforce it, it ends up being a problem because people make different interpretations of the rule so people get upset and go all "Big Gunzz" on the community. It's interesting that the guy who made sure Bubi was banned first removed himself from the game because he didn't like "all of the trash" that was part of the dogfight world.

A while back when I was reading some of the negative dogfight reviews I saw several that mentioned how the game was ruined by veteran players telling you how you had to play. I don't remember the exact wording but it did not sound like the complaints were about helpful guidance. Things have mellowed out a lot recently but there was a time when things were getting out of hand with T.A.S.K. and others who would actually try to police the game, often to the point of ignoring the missions and ruining games while hunting anyone who they felt were out of line.

Who knows, maybe an option to get into an anti-aircraft turret will seem like a fighting chance and even might give a noob a chance to watch as others fight in the air. Maybe not. I don't know, I just know that most players don't read the forum or ever find anything explaining what any "rules" are.

The way I see it, people are going to have different styles. If the game design can't enforce the rules (like how "enemy territory" keeps people from getting into a tank when they get shot down over the enemy base) there will be friction in the community. There are other ways to encourage noobs, giving them other fun options could be just as good as trying to make sure everyone goes easy on them. Don't get me wrong, I often go easy on them or take time to give advice, its great when people do. But since there is no way to make everyone do the same it's good to look for other ideas besides just saying "be helpful".

Doggy Dix wrote:

Acegirl wrote: .

Then we should ask Bubi to come back to the game and tell him we were wrong that we are sorry.
On your own argument u say “ok bad sides was when he start to pin those unexperienced players he get to bloodthirsty... “ Hellooooooooooooooooooooo this is what I am talking about. The new players are testing the game and they get discourage if they get pin when they are just starting in a game. The little soldier does bring a variety of options, but does not in any way save new players from getting discourage and abandoning the game. They are new and some do not own the soldier or the tanks and those who do sometimes do not know how to use it. Why continue to promote the bloodbath and call out those that do this. You are confusing, you give the impression that span killing is ok to do; but yet realize it bad to pin down those unexperienced players.


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Maybe there should be diapers as an cheap option for beginners...?

Wow...

Acegirl, the vast majority understand & agree with you. If you were a new player and read this thread, you'd be picking a squad that helped you learn and grow--not one that kicked ya to the curb.

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But there is an option to get rid of the span killers, and we all know what it is, no need for pampers if u are playing correctly why worry?


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Fly-take off-die it's an endless cycle. Personally i just got tired of others whizzing round' my head so i spent $$ so i can now kill them all. I will take off and go strait too, don't get me wrong zipping rounds fun but strait on is better. I never camp a noob only the seasoned players but if a noob does get camped/spawnkilled i go and help kill that person. There will always be spawnkillers or campers, good or bad, but if you all just stop debating and go help those noobs maybe we would get somewhere. You can't do anything writing here, I trust zup will deal with it as he sees fit. We as a community should deal with it until he chooses to make adjustments to the game and go help those newcomers who wish to enjoy the game!

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No one has accuse u of anything, you yourself had said that to span kill is bad when done to noobs, but then again implied is a tactic and it is ok. So we are clear were u stand, oh wait no..yes I don’t know. If u play correctly…ooops wrong my bad, if we play in a way were we do not ruin the game for others, buy abusing span killing then you are ok, so no worries. That is the definition of correct or fair play that zuperman gave us when Bubi was banned. So that should be the standard. But as Bubi did, those span killers can keep on playing as they want, I’m sure they will be fine.


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I worry that squad rank or this "squad wars" has affected gameplay. I hoped that "Squad Wars" was something different.

Bueno yo cuando empece,a mi freian y continuaba,aunque me cayesen,trate de mejorar y después me vengé de todos.Eso me hizo ser mejor piloto,sinceramente me encantan los pilotos que nunca se rinden.Pero si ahora tienen mejores aviones,lo que tenia que hacer el zuper es ponerlos más baratos,para que tengan mas posibilidades y suban antes de nivel y pasen a la 2war que esta vacía. Además eso es lo que más les molesta a muchos que tienen aviones muy inferiores,pero aún así nosotros los teníamos peores y no me dejaban ni despegar,eso sin contar los tanques,seamos sensatos.Girl nunca fue un buen piloto bubi ya que siempre buscaba la oportunidad,y jamás daba la cara,otra cosa son pilotos que usen varias formas de juego,o que jueguen simpre de diferentes maneras,es decir que vaya de frente
o por arriba,pero siempre de la manera que lo dije antes en mi mensaje.Esto es un juego para todos pero debe haber un mínimo de decoro
Muchos pilotos al no exponerse hacían muchos derribos y para nada deberían ser sus puestos en el ranking,si os fijáis apenas tienen hangares,han subido sin exponerse.Bajo predtigio a mi modo de entender.





Well, when I started, my brakes and continued, even if I fell, I tried to improve and afterwards I got all of them. That made me a better driver, I sincerely love the drivers who never give up. But if they now have better planes, That had to do joaquin is to put them cheaper, so that they have more possibilities and raise before level and pass to the 2war that is empty. Besides that is what most bother to many who have very inferior airplanes, but still we had them worse and they did not let me or take off, that without counting the tanks, let's be sensible.Girl was never a good pilot bubi since he always looked for The opportunity, and never gave the face, another thing are pilots who use various forms of play, or that they play in different ways always, that is to say, head on
Or above, but always the way I said it before in my message.This is a game for everyone but there must be a minimum of decorum
Many pilots to not expose made many takedowns and should not be ranked in the ranking, if you look just have hangars, have gone up without exposerse.Bajo predtigio to my way of understanding.