I've seen a lot of posts saying that "squad wars ranking is only a reflection of which squad has the most active members". While that is partly true, there is more to the current system than just over all rank.

If you hit "RANKING" at the top of this page the player rankings page comes up. At
the top of that page is a purple link to "Squadrons ranking page". At the top of that page you can enter the "squadron name" in a search bar and see how they rank in KDR against each other squad. It shows kills vs deaths for how the selected squad does against all others. Squads highlighted in red have a higher KDR against the selected squad while squads highlighted in blue have a lower KDR.

Some of the contests are pretty close so you might want to take note and try to improve your squad's standing. The idea is to have a friendly rivalry.

And remember, Zup has said many times that there is more to come.

Hi Mac , just interested to read what you had to say there . I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR . I would hate to see that as a culture of this fine game I have come to love . If KDR is what improves squad war ranking then I am probably a ball and chain to my squad lol . But hey it is what it is and hopefully in the future other things will be factored into it . Best of luck to you all , cheers CC ,oh and Happy Thanksgiving to you all .

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: Hi Mac , just interested to read what you had to say there . I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR . I would hate to see that as a culture of this fine game I have come to love . If KDR is what improves squad war ranking then I am probably a ball and chain to my squad lol . But hey it is what it is and hopefully in the future other things will be factored into it . Best of luck to you all , cheers CC ,oh and Happy Thanksgiving to you all .

Good point there CC. KDR is a stat that can be "improved" by abusive play... in the short run anyway. But I think it may be a little different in squad stats. In squad vs squad KDR accumulates over time and over many players, so a squad can take note of abusive players/squads and ramp up the heat against them accordingly, and a squad could not improve their relative KDR by hunting noobs. Since there is no "squad KDR world rank" you can ignore those you feel have a lag advantage or whatnot.

It's too bad that Dogfight has a chronic problem with rivalry being taken too seriously, still these stats are available for anyone to check and see. It could be fun for a couple of squads to do a weekend challenge and keep track for a limited time. It is what we make of it. Aim for fun and that's probably what you'll find.

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR .

Wait.. What? There is something wrong with camping?!?

ZebraUp wrote:

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR .

Wait.. What? There is something wrong with camping?!?

It's up to squad rules Zeb , I for one just lock the brakes and wait till they get sick of trying to spawn kill me . The ones that make me laugh are the ones that come over without a bomb in a bombing game . Lock my brakes go get coffee and cake or a beer , depending time of day , and relax . They get bored and leave . I don't play ww1 as I didn't like seeing the new guys get pounded by a camper till they got sick of trying and dying . Some leave and never come back . Us old timers have learnt how to deal with it

[*M] CC RIDER wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR .

Wait.. What? There is something wrong with camping?!?

It's up to squad rules Zeb , I for one just lock the brakes and wait till they get sick of trying to spawn kill me . The ones that make me laugh are the ones that come over without a bomb in a bombing game . Lock my brakes go get coffee and cake or a beer , depending time of day , and relax . They get bored and leave . I don't play ww1 as I didn't like seeing the new guys get pounded by a camper till they got sick of trying and dying . Some leave and never come back . Us old timers have learnt how to deal with it

ugh I wanna play ww2 so bad! Good thing I'm only 5,000 coins away.

[*M] CC RIDER wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR .

Wait.. What? There is something wrong with camping?!?

It's up to squad rules Zeb , I for one just lock the brakes and wait till they get sick of trying to spawn kill me . The ones that make me laugh are the ones that come over without a bomb in a bombing game . Lock my brakes go get coffee and cake or a beer , depending time of day , and relax . They get bored and leave . I don't play ww1 as I didn't like seeing the new guys get pounded by a camper till they got sick of trying and dying . Some leave and never come back . Us old timers have learnt how to deal with it

CC I think we're talking about 2 different things.. or at least a different outlook on 1 thing lol! You seem to be talking exclusively about spawnkilling whereas I was referring to camping! Yes, to be a spawnkiller you must hangout (camp) at the spawnpoint in order to be a spawnkiller, but I was talking about camping over the enemy airbase or carrier, dancing thru the sky above them so that they must come up and deal with me or get shot down if they ignore me and fly off.. (meanwhile allowing my teammates to approach virtually unopposed!) I have never spawnkilled anyone on purpose in all my years of playing this game in the manner in which you seem to think of it. As a matter of fact, the Lafayette Escadrille considers camping a great tactic when appropriate, but considers spawnkilling both dishonorable & in poor taste..

I think spawnkillers are weak and lacking a moral compass.. much like those that hack games to be able to cheat and win.. what's the joy in winning if you had to cheat??

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Yes Acegirl I know you don't approve of camping... but camping is FUNdamental!!

And don't forget the Malvaviscos!

Well Dix,

The stats are there for anyone; graceful or not, to check for their own purposes. Frankly, I don't really mind what anyone does as long as they don't go saying that there is only one "correct" way to play or if they go trying to make up new rules and call for people to be banned just because they don't agree.

Just like the real world, some people can't handle being teased and some want to inforce their "ettuquete" on others. Sad for them. It's funny how some interpret what I say as telling others how to play while my entire point has been that you can play however you want as long as you aren't breaking any actual rules.

Enjoy the game as you see fit. Be civil on WC and the forum and all should be okay.

ZebraUp wrote:

[*M] CC RIDER wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: I for one have never really been a fan of KDR as it can lead to promoting camping and spawn killing for those out to improve their KDR .

Wait.. What? There is something wrong with camping?!?

It's up to squad rules Zeb , I for one just lock the brakes and wait till they get sick of trying to spawn kill me . The ones that make me laugh are the ones that come over without a bomb in a bombing game . Lock my brakes go get coffee and cake or a beer , depending time of day , and relax . They get bored and leave . I don't play ww1 as I didn't like seeing the new guys get pounded by a camper till they got sick of trying and dying . Some leave and never come back . Us old timers have learnt how to deal with it

CC I think we're talking about 2 different things.. or at least a different outlook on 1 thing lol! You seem to be talking exclusively about spawnkilling whereas I was referring to camping! Yes, to be a spawnkiller you must hangout (camp) at the spawnpoint in order to be a spawnkiller, but I was talking about camping over the enemy airbase or carrier, dancing thru the sky above them so that they must come up and deal with me or get shot down if they ignore me and fly off.. (meanwhile allowing my teammates to approach virtually unopposed!) I have never spawnkilled anyone on purpose in all my years of playing this game in the manner in which you seem to think of it. As a matter of fact, the Lafayette Escadrille considers camping a great tactic when appropriate, but considers spawnkilling both dishonorable & in poor taste..

I think spawnkillers are weak and lacking a moral compass.. much like those that hack games to be able to cheat and win.. what's the joy in winning if you had to cheat??

I was actually just pointing out Zeb that sometimes when the older players camp they relish the idea of spawn killing to gain points . Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular as some just camp and let you up which as you say is quite ok . But lately I have seen some just come over bombless and try to pin players to the strip just to have fun as they put it . I then see the victim cuss at them and leave . This is just a stupid act in my eyes as most of the ones I see them do it too are new players . They then come on forum and try to say others are playing the game wrong by harvesting points etc . Quite funny really . Never been a problem with you guys Zeb £ always good to see you in game .

McFate:

Enjoy the game as you see fit. Be civil on WC and the forum and all should be okay.

Seems like sound and easy to follow advice. Didn't know about the Squad KDR--good info.

The subject of KDR and Camping is like a story that gets told over and over. Is there a KDR Camping Ground? There should be--to send those who camp on noobs away for good!

I'll defend any fellow blue who is bombing or carrying flag. I won't hover over a base just to pick off players---especially new players. Who does??

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I understand the tactic of camping or hovering over the base when u are waiting for your team mates to bomb, I do it when they are closing in, but I say it’s not fair when done relentless especially to new players and when none of your teammates are coming in or are remotely close. Seen this and it is discouraging to new players, have had team mates post on forum about this behavior and leaving the game not to return. Zuperman banned Bubi for this kind of game play. Bubi express to me the exact argument u are saying Zebra, but his outcome was different. I understand the tactic behind Zebra and Bubi style of play, but on the other hand I see that this does scare away players from the game and paying subscribers like Maxximus that was constantly being camp in games last month. He posted his frustration and left the game. That means one less player and less $ for the game. Not fair to ruin the experience of new players and on their way out lose income to zuperman. We all play to have fun.

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Acegirl: .....

this does scare away players from the game and paying subscribers like Maxximus that was constantly being camp in games last month. He posted his frustration and left the game. That means one less player and less $ for the game. Not fair to ruin the experience of new players and on their way out lose income to zuperman. We all play to have fun.

Bravo. What she said.

Camping does not equal spawnkilling.

In Bubi's case (and in CC's example) some players will play abusively by dropping, going up and over and spawnkilling. Whether they do it to support their team or to increase their own KDR they are breaking the rules.

Link to Zupperman's posts on spawnkilling


If someone comes over and bombs a hangar then hangs around to cover for incoming bombers (in view) they are not breaking any rules and are, in fact supporting their team. If you don't agree with this then what is the proper alternative?
* intentionally crash?
* return to base while ignoring reds?

Keep in mind that "rules" have to be able to be enforced by mechanisms coded into the game. If these conditions can't be met the "rule"
becomes an endless point of contention without an equitable way to enforce it. "Reporting" is inconsistent and can easily be abused, it requires hours and hours of zuperman's time. (He has explained that he cannot legally or practically have in-game moderators anymore) Bubi was only banned after years of reporting, and Zup has explained how banning players creates other problems such as trolling in game, on WC, the forum and in bad reviews.

My suggestion for solving spawnkilling would be to have immunity for several seconds upon spawning or until you start shooting. Zup tried this in the past and had troubles for some reason that I don't fully understand. As it is now low ranks have some measure of iimmunity... I'm not sure what the details are or why he hasn't extended it to all players regardless of rank. (Maybe because "experienced" players should know how to handle it? IDK)

If someone is not spawnkilling is "camping" bad? Is there any way to enforce a rule against it? Are you supposed to intentionally crash? Are you supposed to fly away and ignore reds that are trying to shoot you from behind? Are you breaking another "rule" if you engage other reds after you have bombed because you now have an "unfair advantage" because you don't have a bomb and they do?
As I understand it that is what the "fuel" feature is supposed to address once it's put into effect. Hmmm.... so if you are able to upgrade your fuel capacity will that make it so you have a relatively better ability to camp? Lol. Nah... my guess is that it will have other effects on future missions. Time will tell.

Once again: if a rule can't be coded into the game and can't be communicated to all players there is no way for this to be effectively enforced. From what I've seen and experienced over the last 4 years is that the stress on the community created in complaining and accusing becomes a bigger waste of time and energy than just dealing with it in game.

People talk about the way noobs get driven from the game by abusive players. (Spawnkillers?) Could there be some way of banning abusive players from WW1 servers but not from WW2? How many people who play WW2 would be easy prey for a spawnkiller?


These issues have been discussed many times. It usually ends in insults or a call to "agree to disagree" but that does nothing to solve anything. What is left but to take the game as it comes and to do your best to counter whatever the reds dish out? Zup has said that this is a game of skill and strategy. That means the missions can be played in many different ways.

If you don't think people should be allowed to "camp" do you have a useful suggestion of how to handle it in a practical way?

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I understand the strategy of camping, as well as I understand Bubi strategy. The abuse of it, is what I believe it is wrong; same abuse people say they saw Bubi doing in games. He did not create any drama when he was banned, he just left and never came back. He never insulted anyone and barely spoke in games. I did tell him he was going to get banned and that people were mad at his style of playing, told him to ease down or change it. He simply told me it was a strategy. I did understand very well his strategy and style of play but I saw it was abusive or excessive in some situations an on new players.

This is exactly what I am saying of camping, I understand it and use it, but when its done in excessive way against new players that u can easily out maneuver to go back to your base I see it as unnecessary and not in favor of promoting a fun game for the new players. I know the difference and gray areas of camping and span killing all I say is ease up on it, because I have seen abuse of it and not tactical use of it.

Who to police it?? There is no way of doing it, just call it out the way it was done with Bubi, but my point is just to bring awareness to the old players on this situation so that they please ease down on it so that new players can have a better experience of the game and subscribe to it if they enjoy as much as we all do.

Camp but don't pollute

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Hola!!voy a dar mi opinión a este contexto.
Bueno yo estoy de acuerdo con cebra y con girl
Y con Mac.antes todo esto es juego para pasarlo bien,cada uno puede jugar como quiera y no estar obligado por otros a jugar de otra manera o de la manera que otros o una mayoría quieran,dicho esto,si se debe jugar ética mente,es cierto que no hay tales regalas y por lo tanto no rompes ninguna,pero al menos ser correcto jugando esa es mi opinión.Sí te acercas a aeropuerto enemigo,y derribar después de bombardear a pilotos enemigos para que tu equipo pueda entrar y bombardear no lo veo mal,es más una táctica que estas usando en bien de tu equipo,si alguien se queda masacrando,por el hecho de masacrar no está bien pero moralmente no es lo correcto.Sí alguien cae desde arriba y su equipo esta en inferioridad,es una táctica más de intentar llegar al objetivo,pero no es moral caer desde arriba siento muy superior en número al enemigo.Demosle la misma oportunidad de victoria.juguemos para divertirnos eso sí pero También seamos justos.También hay que entender que sI yo bombardeo y no me dejan irme a mi base a rearmar mi avión es normal que me gire y ataque aunque no haya nadie de mi equipo,le estoy brindando al equipo enemigo que me deje ir,sino es lógico que me tenga que defender.Si llevo la bandera y salgo con ella,uso una táctica que consiste en a mitad de camino me giro y atacó, lógicamente les pillo desprevenidos,pero busco eleminar a los enemigos pué podrían recuperar la bandera y si lo derribo ya no les dará tiempo a alcanzazme
Pero además, si me derriban siempre abra un compañero cerca para recogerla de nuevo y llevarla a la base,mientras yo tendré menos camino que recorrer para protegerlo y llegará con la bandera a la base.misión hecha.
Este juego es un juego de estrategia,y quien no entienda eso no entenderá el juego.
Este juego es pura adrenalina y imaginación no cortemos sus alas,amplíemos sus horizontes no busquemos solo la cabeza por dios,acaso no sería bonito que 2 compañeros carguen bombas y tu por ejemplo seas su escolta?sabéis como ganó yo muchas veces los Zeppelin?y capturar los barcos?no es más divertido hacerlo así unos atacan otros protejen? Unos capturan otros fijan al enemigo en el aeropuerto o en el cielo?.por que tiene que jugar la gente como unos cuantos quieren que se juegue?
Hablando con algunos de mis pilotos me dicen jefe es que yo no domino bien el Drop u odio el droper,le digo pues lo que hay hacer es mejorar todas esas formas de vuelo que no son vuestro fuerte y que no dominais.De eso se tiene que tratar,de mejorar más en lo que no se domina tanto,ya que sinó nunca seras un gran piloto (un piloto completo así lo entiendo yo)si dominas la cabeza pero no dominas la persecución o la caída desde 2000 metros,con todo respeto para mí no heres un piloto total,menos aún si obligas"a jugar solo de la manera que a ti te viene mejor.
Por favor no matemos este bonito y divertido juego.seamos sensatos,y pensemos...si a tí te gusta ir de frente por que heres mejor..Por que los demás en lo que son mejores no lo pueden hacer?hay dejo esta pregunta que se contesta por si sola.

baron rojo wrote: Hola!!voy a dar mi opinión a este contexto.
Bueno yo estoy de acuerdo con cebra y con girl
Y con Mac.antes todo esto es juego para pasarlo bien,cada uno puede jugar como quiera y no estar obligado por otros a jugar de otra manera o de la manera que otros o una mayoría quieran,dicho esto,si se debe jugar ética mente,es cierto que no hay tales regalas y por lo tanto no rompes ninguna,pero al menos ser correcto jugando esa es mi opinión.Sí te acercas a aeropuerto enemigo,y derribar después de bombardear a pilotos enemigos para que tu equipo pueda entrar y bombardear no lo veo mal,es más una táctica que estas usando en bien de tu equipo,si alguien se queda masacrando,por el hecho de masacrar no está bien pero moralmente no es lo correcto.Sí alguien cae desde arriba y su equipo esta en inferioridad,es una táctica más de intentar llegar al objetivo,pero no es moral caer desde arriba siento muy superior en número al enemigo.Demosle la misma oportunidad de victoria.juguemos para divertirnos eso sí pero También seamos justos.También hay que entender que sI yo bombardeo y no me dejan irme a mi base a rearmar mi avión es normal que me gire y ataque aunque no haya nadie de mi equipo,le estoy brindando al equipo enemigo que me deje ir,sino es lógico que me tenga que defender.Si llevo la bandera y salgo con ella,uso una táctica que consiste en a mitad de camino me giro y atacó, lógicamente les pillo desprevenidos,pero busco eleminar a los enemigos pué podrían recuperar la bandera y si lo derribo ya no les dará tiempo a alcanzazme
Pero además, si me derriban siempre abra un compañero cerca para recogerla de nuevo y llevarla a la base,mientras yo tendré menos camino que recorrer para protegerlo y llegará con la bandera a la base.misión hecha.
Este juego es un juego de estrategia,y quien no entienda eso no entenderá el juego.
Este juego es pura adrenalina y imaginación no cortemos sus alas,amplíemos sus horizontes no busquemos solo la cabeza por dios,acaso no sería bonito que 2 compañeros carguen bombas y tu por ejemplo seas su escolta?sabéis como ganó yo muchas veces los Zeppelin?y capturar los barcos?no es más divertido hacerlo así unos atacan otros protejen? Unos capturan otros fijan al enemigo en el aeropuerto o en el cielo?.por que tiene que jugar la gente como unos cuantos quieren que se juegue?
Hablando con algunos de mis pilotos me dicen jefe es que yo no domino bien el Drop u odio el droper,le digo pues lo que hay hacer es mejorar todas esas formas de vuelo que no son vuestro fuerte y que no dominais.De eso se tiene que tratar,de mejorar más en lo que no se domina tanto,ya que sinó nunca seras un gran piloto (un piloto completo así lo entiendo yo)si dominas la cabeza pero no dominas la persecución o la caída desde 2000 metros,con todo respeto para mí no heres un piloto total,menos aún si obligas"a jugar solo de la manera que a ti te viene mejor.
Por favor no matemos este bonito y divertido juego.seamos sensatos,y pensemos...si a tí te gusta ir de frente por que heres mejor..Por que los demás en lo que son mejores no lo pueden hacer?hay dejo esta pregunta que se contesta por si sola.

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Hello! I am going to give my opinion to this context.
Well I agree with zebra and girl
And with Mac. Before all this is a game to have fun, everyone can play as they want and not be forced by others to play in another way or the way that others or a majority want, said this, if you must play ethically , It is true that there are no such gifts and therefore do not break any, but at least be correct playing that is my opinion. If you approach enemy airport, and shoot down after bombing enemy pilots so your team can enter and bomb I do not see it wrong, it's more of a tactic you're using for your team's sake, if someone is massacred, for the sake of massacring is not well but morally is not the right thing. If someone falls from above and their team is inferior , It is another tactic of trying to reach the target, but it is not moral to fall from above I feel very superior in number to the enemy. Let us give the same opportunity of victory.juguemos to have fun that yes but we also be justos.También must be understood that sI yo Bombing and do not let me go to my base to rearm my plane is normal to me to turn and attack although there is no one on my team, I am giving the enemy team that let me go, but it is logical that I have to defend. The flag and I go out with her, I use a tactic that consists of half way I turn and attacked, logically I catch them unprepared, but I look for to eliminate the enemies so they could recover the flag and if I knock it down it will not give them time to reach me
But also, if you knock me down, always open a companion nearby to pick it up again and take it to the base, while I will have less road to cover to protect it and will arrive with the flag to the base.
This game is a strategy game, and anyone who does not understand that will not understand the game.
This game is pure adrenaline and imagination do not cut their wings, broaden their horizons do not seek only the head for God, perhaps it would be nice to have 2 companions carry bombs and you, for example, be your escort do you know how I often won the Zeppelin? Capture the ships? Is not superior fun to do so some attack others protect? Do some capture others fix the enemy at the airport or in the sky? Why do people have to play like a few want to be played?
Talking to some of my pilots tell me boss is that I do not dominate the Drop or I hate the droper, I say then what there is to do is improve all those forms of flight that are not your forte and that you do not domininais.De that has That to try, to improve more in what is not dominated so much, since otherwise you will never be a great pilot (a complete pilot so I understand it) if you dominate the head but you do not dominate the persecution or the fall from 2000 meters, with all respect For me you are not a total pilot, especially if you force "to play only in the way that suits you better.
Please do not kill this nice and funny game. Let's be sensible, and think ... if you like to go head-to-head because I have better res .. Why do others in what are better can not do? Question that is answered by itself.

As many have said, and I myslf posted on the 'Ban Bubi' thread, spawnkilling relentlessly is NOT a tactic.. rather just a way to improve your kdr and drive away newer players! (Checkout the thread, there was a reason zuperman banned him!)

As for the possibility that squadron vs squadron kill ratios will lead to bad blood.. might happen, but I really I don't think it's that big of a concern. Most all squadrons have a mix of both bad and good players and they ALL count towards those stats so it's not really like each squadron's A-Team were facing each other.. which is what many hoped Squadron Wars would be!

Doggy Dix wrote: It's funny...it always end up in kdr and spawnkilling...how the h*ll it always does so...?

Check the title and the introductory posting ... Respond this instead of slipp away from the topic ...please

Thanks for trying to avoid derailing the thread.... but it is all connected isn't it? Since there is a Squad vs Squad KDR stat that can be improved by spawnkilling it is all related. No?

I'd like to be sure that people do not equate camping and spawnkilling. Saying that anyone who camps is also a spawnkiller is a lot like saying that everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.

In the case of alcohol many people do not believe in it at all for any reason and think it should be banned entirely. It is no small debate and many entire countries have prohibited it entirely while others have acknowledged that although it can be abused the complete prohibition creates more problems than it fixes. Where it is allowed most people would agree that it is not a problem if people drink some now then, but if they go on binges and cause problems they need to be dealt with accordingly. Doesn't that sound kind of familiar? ...

zuperman wrote: ...From my point of view spawnkilling is bad, period. No excuse for it. .... It's like cursing. You do it from time to time and nobody will say anything... Now go on a cursing tirade and you get banned.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: It's funny...it always end up in kdr and spawnkilling...how the h*ll it always does so...?

Check the title and the introductory posting ... Respond this instead of slipp away from the topic ...please

Thanks for trying to avoid derailing the thread.... but it is all connected isn't it? Since there is a Squad vs Squad KDR stat that can be improved by spawnkilling it is all related. No?

I'd like to be sure that people do not equate camping and spawnkilling. Saying that anyone who camps is also a spawnkiller is a lot like saying that everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.

In the case of alcohol many people do not believe in it at all for any reason and think it should be banned entirely. It is no small debate and many entire countries have prohibited it entirely while others have acknowledged that although it can be abused the complete prohibition creates more problems than it fixes. Where it is allowed most people would agree that it is not a problem if people drink some now then, but if they go on binges and cause problems they need to be dealt with accordingly. Doesn't that sound kind of familiar? ...

zuperman wrote: ...From my point of view spawnkilling is bad, period. No excuse for it. .... It's like cursing. You do it from time to time and nobody will say anything... Now go on a cursing tirade and you get banned.

Round and round we go..LoL. Zebra, McFate, Acegirl---all correct.

Some take it out on the actually players (seasoned and new players) as if we all gathered in a dark room and made each of the Terms of Service.

Seems Zup made it very clear. Questions? Take it to the Zup and ask him to clarify..again and again. While you're at it, ask if new players feel OK being gunned down until they leave for good.

Last comment Zup made was squad leaders were responsible for members behavior/obeying TOS or the squad risks being shut down.

Some don't like rules--like Bubi.

I feel that there is a very fine line between camping and spawnkilling. I believe that anyone who hovers around behind the spawn point just waiting for someone to take off and then shoot they down before they have a chance to manouver and then claims they are NOT spawnkilling is equally as reprehensible as someone who shoots the plane before it takes off. Perhaps there should be a cordon around the base that an attacker must leave before they can return to kill again.

[M]Pagan wrote: I feel that there is a very fine line between camping and spawnkilling. I believe that anyone who hovers around behind the spawn point just waiting for someone to take off and then shoot they down before they have a chance to manouver and then claims they are NOT spawnkilling is equally as reprehensible as someone who shoots the plane before it takes off. Perhaps there should be a cordon around the base that an attacker must leave before they can return to kill again.

Excellent idea. Would certainly help the new-to-game players.

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Great tips Doggy, but I believe all experience player know how to go up against a camper/spawn killer, but the issue I have observed and the one that made Maxximus quit his subscription is that new players with much slower planes and less game experience can’t keep up with the constant camping/spawn killing. They do not know how to react and get frustrated and leave the game; therefore, losing revenue to zuperman. El que no llora no mama, it’s the only way to balance the injustice player do to others. Call on Zuperman to step in if a particular player is abusing the camping/span killing. His goal is that every player has a fun experience playing his game in the hopes they like it and subscribe to it; if we do not cooperate with this and drive players away it is natural that he will step in and try to fix and change things to adjust any unfair play.


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New players do not know this, maybe the Span killers/campers should tell them that before killing them over and over. Is the point of the game to drive the players away to find another game?? Should I tell them this? And if they say is ok they will stay; should i kill them until they leave? Then I guess Maxximus did the correct thing buy leaving the game and unsubscribed. He got the massage.

Just trying to bring awareness to players to please back down on the excessive camping/spawn killing.


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So span killing means education? If you do not join a squadron you will be chase out of games.


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But if u are educated, should u give the example of fair play? Or at least teach those new players the proper way of behaving in a game. If u educate the new players that it is proper to span kill, then this behavior will continue to grow and we will be playing a “do on to others what they do to you”, kind of game. The outcome of this type of education will always be the same, drive subscribers away from the game.


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Yes, it is weird, but more than weird it is sad to see good people driven away from the game just because veteran players can’t give just a little courtesy to new players.


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Zup does know how to protect his game, we have seen it many times, but for this to happened we have to voice out the problems.


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