Zuperman,

I ask you reconsider your decision to reconfigure the servers which removed the possibility to pick sides in games. While you are correct in your assessment that some games are quite lopsided, I would like to point out this is the first time in my days in df that guys could fly together on the same team from the same squad. Perhaps a modification to alter points so as not to reward games with no opponents in squad wars may be more effective, because it sure is nice to be able to see a squadmate who needs help and join his side, or organize some squad vs. squad battles. When the servers and sides are random this is impossible.

Judging from my last game you have already changed it, however I would like you to consider the point of view from someone who doesn't change sides just to get the win. We aren't all bad guys you know.

Viper10

I am in complete agreement with Viper. One of the things i find most rnjoyable about the game is being able to fly with my squadmates, or switch to help them.

Well,this may be controversial,but I agree with Zup.Its a bit tedious to have only blues or a single red outnumbered.Whilst I enjoy flying with squad mates,it's even better when there are reds!Maybe make the allied planes perform as well as the German planes may help this??

Allies perform exactly the same than German already for 2 or 3 versions of the game. It's just plain point harvesting when I see 8 people on one side or 7 vs 1. And I don't care if it is all German or all allied.
So for now f you are 4 vs 0 the server will detect it and won't allow more to go. You can play with your squad mates up to something that is reasonable number otherwise you play with your squad mates but on opposite teams like always and it doesn't impact negatively your stats. It doesn't make any sense to play with your squad mates 8 vs 0. That's not a Dogfight, that just adding points to the stats and the other option I have is to not give any points at all in situations like that.

Sounds ok to me Zup. But the equality between sides goes beyond plane performance. Allied side has always been at a disadvantage in zep games because defending the zep yields less points and in BTB the German boat route goes farther away across the lake, beyond tank range.
Can the servers detect squad affiliation and match squad mates to same side?

Since only the german side gets to shoot the zepfor those points, i think that if it were taken away there would be more even games. Not many want to play allied and have to try and defend a zep that only gets halfway most of the time. Put in a german zep at random, they are the first ones to use the zep anyway.

And why is the russian tank on the german side?

I say leave it alone, it's fine the way it is, don't ccrew up a good thing

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German side is always full and players do not care that it is an unfair advantage. Was in a game with Bici 2 vs 5, I ask some friends to please change to make the game fair and a bit even and no one did. Very disappointing!
Safer and more fair game play at the ww1.



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[*M] bware wrote: Sounds ok to me Zup. But the equality between sides goes beyond plane performance. Allied side has always been at a disadvantage in zep games because defending the zep yields less points and in BTB the German boat route goes farther away across the lake, beyond tank range.
Can the servers detect squad affiliation and match squad mates to same side?

The zep mission takes exactly the same points if you defend or attack. If you defend it, all points not taken away will go to you.
And that's a different issue. However you paint it, even in games where it is very much even, many are picking one single side so they finish and win the game fast to collect the points. It does not matter which side has is easy it or not. I'm seeing this in every single type of game with even some players insulting others when asked to please make it a more even game

zuperman wrote: Allies perform exactly the same than German already for 2 or 3 versions of the game. It's just plain point harvesting when I see 8 people on one side or 7 vs 1. And I don't care if it is all German or all allied.

Personally I LOVE being outnumbered 7 vs just me!! Especially in the capture missions.. even if I know I will probably lose! A few heavily lopsided games just provides a bit of a challenge in order to overcome some adversity!
And as others have already said, it's always great to fly with squadron mates! If I have another Lafayette on my team it's good odds we'll win.. with 3 flying together it's a virtual lock!

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What about the new players breaking in to the game? (A money source for zuperman) We old players will gang up on them and potentially turn them away from the game? I am no saint in the game, but some game play behavior lately in games can very well chase new players away. We all went thru the growing pains in the game, but I did remember receiving breaks and tips, I hardly see that anymore. Not fun to be outnumber in a lesser level plane.

Again the sad thing is I do not see any player saying, OK we will switch sides and play fair games when we see this kind of behavior happened. I get that you are all teammates and want to stay and play together, but I have extended the courtesy of leaving a game when ask to switch because a player is outnumber, but that same courtesy is not granted to me or others when I have asked it. I think the only way to maintain this great advantage of choosing sides is to persuade and show zuperman that we will stop the abuse use of it and demonstrate that we will switch sides when we see unfair or outnumber games.


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Do not know how it works as I am random 2, but I was asked why don’t u go and play ww2 games?, so I decided to give it a try again, I do find them fun and challenging when there is a balance. But lately I have gone in and I find myself alone in games or alone in the allied side against a pack of players. Other cases stumble upon a lone player screaming for help and asking me to stay because he is outnumbered. So I get in my time machine and travel back to ww1 were you can find better balance.

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zuperman wrote: the other option I have is to not give any points at all in situations like that.

I bet that would discourage folks from changing sides to a completely lopsided game. Perhaps points based on number of opponents? People likely are doing this to gather easy points, not to fight alongside buddies. If the one-sided games were worth no points the system would self-regulate to an extent.

The option to switch is a wonderful feature. Too bad some folks are taking advantage of it.

"A dog runs to the end of its chain"

here is what I've thought of
dogfightelite.com/index.php/forum/4-anno...election-coming-soon

So how will it work if there is a great game going on and everyone gets kicked at the end? I have seen that several times, players all vanish from the game just prior to the game ending. Are we going to get no points in that case?

When would you decide what percentage to use? The player percentages can change throughout the game. It could be 4 on 4 for 99% of the game and then 2 opponents drop just before the game ends. Does that effect the points for the whole game? Or would you record the points for kills etc. based on the team ratio at the time the action occurred? Which might mean the only thing impacted in my example might be the points for the win.

Viper10{WP} wrote: So how will it work if there is a great game going on and everyone gets kicked at the end? I have seen that several times, players all vanish from the game just prior to the game ending. Are we going to get no points in that case?

Not just kicked, but what if it's an even game and then three players leave on the opposite team?

it's real time, so you'll get the points as always at the moment of the action

the only exception is for win/lose, it will look back the average of people during the game and decide what to do so that you don't get affected by those idiots leaving seconds before the end of the game to not have a "lost" on their stats (which btw, doesn't count at all on the rankings) and give up their points when they leave (which btw, it does count on the rankings). Basically everyone that leaves a losing game before getting a "lost"... they are basically giving up to rank up. But it will have no impact on the people that decided to stay as they will all get their proper points.

zuperman wrote: it's real time, so you'll get the points as always at the moment of the action

the only exception is for win/lose, it will look back the average of people during the game and decide what to do so that you don't get affected by those idiots leaving seconds before the end of the game to not have a "lost" on their stats (which btw, doesn't count at all on the rankings) and give up their points when they leave (which btw, it does count on the rankings). Basically everyone that leaves a losing game before getting a "lost"... they are basically giving up to rank up. But it will have no impact on the people that decided to stay as they will all get their proper points.

I never understood those that leave so they wouldn't get a loss, when it never counts against you, and you give up the points. I have seen it a LOT, and I'm not talking about noobs, but many that have played for years. I actually seen it happen just last night.

I know of several players who leave rather than take a loss, as if there was some kind of record of that.
I also see many players who will exit the game just before that last bullet hits to shoot them down, and then return to the game fresh. I guess just to keep from damaging their kdr and deny you a kill.

Yeah I was in a dogfight game a day or two ago, hit a guy three times, and then he dived to crash.

{GI} E*A*G*L*E wrote: Yeah I was in a dogfight game a day or two ago, hit a guy three times, and then he dived to crash.

I've seen that too. Fight fair with honor to the bloody end! And magically your plane is back, good as new, for the next fun game.

{GI} E*A*G*L*E wrote: Yeah I was in a dogfight game a day or two ago, hit a guy three times, and then he dived to crash.

Lame indeed