First, I am a huge fan of this game, this virtual world that Zuperman has created for us, as well as admiring and enjoying the many great players in this game. However, there are a few things that need to be said in order to have a hope of fixing them!

(1) The Messerschmidt 109 in the WWII portion of Elite is significantly more accurate at distance than other planes. I have observed circa 30% increase in accuracy for anyone using it. I measured this by comparing KDRs of a number of pilots over a "large N" number of games, including myself. Top pilots all know this, and many will rejoin however many times it takes to get this plane. It is worth mentioning that it is better form to take whatever chance gives you.---Zup, can you even out the difference between the various planes long-distance shooting capabilities?

(2) As happy as I am to have the greater speed for all the planes of both world wars, we all know there is supposed to be a big difference in speed between WWI and WWII fighter aircraft. As it is now, my Siemens and my Zero, for example, both fly about the same speed, loaded or not. Why can't we increase the speeds of the WWII planes just a bit more so that there is a difference? I don't think it a good idea to slow down the WWI planes because they are finally performing more like they did in DF1.---Zup, can you give us 50kmh more for the WWII planes?

Does anyone else have a comment?

dont really fly the ww2 panes this game was supposed to be a ww1 dog-fighting game i tried the WW2 planes and they seem to fly exactly the same speed as WW2 ones i do see alot of people getting allied planes and trying to switch because its rumored the German ones are better i just play the hand im dealt .i did notice my albatros DV handles better and fly's better than top tier planes i have

Dunc7 wrote: First, I am a huge fan of this game, this virtual world that Zuperman has created for us, as well as admiring and enjoying the many great players in this game. However, there are a few things that need to be said in order to have a hope of fixing them!

(1) The Messerschmidt 109 in the WWII portion of Elite is significantly more accurate at distance than other planes. I have observed circa 30% increase in accuracy for anyone using it. I measured this by comparing KDRs of a number of pilots over a "large N" number of games, including myself. Top pilots all know this, and many will rejoin however many times it takes to get this plane. It is worth mentioning that it is better form to take whatever chance gives you.---Zup, can you even out the difference between the various planes long-distance shooting capabilities?

(2) As happy as I am to have the greater speed for all the planes of both world wars, we all know there is supposed to be a big difference in speed between WWI and WWII fighter aircraft. As it is now, my Siemens and my Zero, for example, both fly about the same speed, loaded or not. Why can't we increase the speeds of the WWII planes just a bit more so that there is a difference? I don't think it a good idea to slow down the WWI planes because they are finally performing more like they did in DF1.---Zup, can you give us 50kmh more for the WWII planes?

Does anyone else have a comment?

Great post dunc7

There has been great strides in elite , and it still a long way of the feel of df1 , we all know a new game will be different. But yes you point out things that may need a slight update to fix
Me I'm still on ww1 planes and finding dogfights are getting a bit better , but am finding it really hard to aim when dogfighting, nothing like as in df

Dirty secrets?!

Well.... Ok. I'll spill the beans, but don't tell anybody!

I hear Dogfight Elite keeps an S&M room under locked doors in its basement. It's pricey though.

Not that I've BEEN there, mind you. I've just heard about it.

Hola a todos,dunc tiene razón,los a iones de la 2war alcanzaban hasta los 500 kh.como eso
seria mucha diferencia,además necesetarias un mapa más largo,pues subirla a 300 seria lo ideal,además seria partidario de que cada avión tuviese sus propias características históricas,o al menos algunos rasgos característicos de cada avión, (más efectividad de lejos,mejor pilotaje,mejor avión trepando y cayendo ect.)Además sumaría mucha más munición alargaría un poco los mapas o crearía otros mapas,y por último no menos importante,pondría diferentes colores a los elementos de tierra,para no confundir cuando vuelas en persecución por ejemplo.Lo que seria
seguro y esto va para Joaquín(el zupe)que debe haber alguna diferencia en los aviones de la segunda war,así serán más atractivos y con muchas ganas de los pilotos por tenerlos y pilotarlos

i ran this thu translater for folks
Hello everyone, Dunc is right, the ions to the 2war amounted to 500 kh.como that
would be much difference , plus necesetarias a longer map , then upload it to 300 would be ideal addition would be in favor of each aircraft had its own historical, or at least some characteristic features of each aircraft (more effective by far , better airmanship , best aircraft climbing and falling ect. ) in addition would add a lot more ammunition lengthen a bit maps or create other maps , and last not least, put different colors to the elements of earth , not to be confused when you fly in pursuit for example. Which would
safe and this goes for Joaquín ( the SEPA) there must be some difference in the planes of the second war , and will be more attractive and eager pilots for them and fly them

baron rojo wrote: Hola a todos,dunc tiene razón,los a iones de la 2war alcanzaban hasta los 500 kh.como eso
seria mucha diferencia,además necesetarias un mapa más largo,pues subirla a 300 seria lo ideal,además seria partidario de que cada avión tuviese sus propias características históricas,o al menos algunos rasgos característicos de cada avión, (más efectividad de lejos,mejor pilotaje,mejor avión trepando y cayendo ect.)Además sumaría mucha más munición alargaría un poco los mapas o crearía otros mapas,y por último no menos importante,pondría diferentes colores a los elementos de tierra,para no confundir cuando vuelas en persecución por ejemplo.Lo que seria
seguro y esto va para Joaquín(el zupe)que debe haber alguna diferencia en los aviones de la segunda war,así serán más atractivos y con muchas ganas de los pilotos por tenerlos y pilotarlos

Dognamitt wrote: i ran this thu translater for folks
Hello everyone, Dunc is right, the ions to the 2war amounted to 500 kh.como that
would be much difference , plus necesetarias a longer map , then upload it to 300 would be ideal addition would be in favor of each aircraft had its own historical, or at least some characteristic features of each aircraft (more effective by far , better airmanship , best aircraft climbing and falling ect. ) in addition would add a lot more ammunition lengthen a bit maps or create other maps , and last not least, put different colors to the elements of earth , not to be confused when you fly in pursuit for example. Which would
safe and this goes for Joaquín ( the SEPA) there must be some difference in the planes of the second war , and will be more attractive and eager pilots for them and fly them

baron rojo wrote: Hola a todos,dunc tiene razón,los a iones de la 2war alcanzaban hasta los 500 kh.como eso
seria mucha diferencia,además necesetarias un mapa más largo,pues subirla a 300 seria lo ideal,además seria partidario de que cada avión tuviese sus propias características históricas,o al menos algunos rasgos característicos de cada avión, (más efectividad de lejos,mejor pilotaje,mejor avión trepando y cayendo ect.)Además sumaría mucha más munición alargaría un poco los mapas o crearía otros mapas,y por último no menos importante,pondría diferentes colores a los elementos de tierra,para no confundir cuando vuelas en persecución por ejemplo.Lo que seria
seguro y esto va para Joaquín(el zupe)que debe haber alguna diferencia en los aviones de la segunda war,así serán más atractivos y con muchas ganas de los pilotos por tenerlos y pilotarlos

Well , thanks Roy that really makes sense now , wondered what he was on about.

my spanglish is limited to swear words lol

[M]Pagan wrote:

Dognamitt wrote: i ran this thu translater for folks
Hello everyone, Dunc is right, the ions to the 2war amounted to 500 kh.como that
would be much difference , plus necesetarias a longer map , then upload it to 300 would be ideal addition would be in favor of each aircraft had its own historical, or at least some characteristic features of each aircraft (more effective by far , better airmanship , best aircraft climbing and falling ect. ) in addition would add a lot more ammunition lengthen a bit maps or create other maps , and last not least, put different colors to the elements of earth , not to be confused when you fly in pursuit for example. Which would
safe and this goes for Joaquín ( the SEPA) there must be some difference in the planes of the second war , and will be more attractive and eager pilots for them and fly them

baron rojo wrote: Hola a todos,dunc tiene razón,los a iones de la 2war alcanzaban hasta los 500 kh.como eso
seria mucha diferencia,además necesetarias un mapa más largo,pues subirla a 300 seria lo ideal,además seria partidario de que cada avión tuviese sus propias características históricas,o al menos algunos rasgos característicos de cada avión, (más efectividad de lejos,mejor pilotaje,mejor avión trepando y cayendo ect.)Además sumaría mucha más munición alargaría un poco los mapas o crearía otros mapas,y por último no menos importante,pondría diferentes colores a los elementos de tierra,para no confundir cuando vuelas en persecución por ejemplo.Lo que seria
seguro y esto va para Joaquín(el zupe)que debe haber alguna diferencia en los aviones de la segunda war,así serán más atractivos y con muchas ganas de los pilotos por tenerlos y pilotarlos

Well , thanks Roy that really makes sense now , wondered what he was on about.

Should be titled "Soiled little Secrets of Elite"

Spell checker gets me every time. I meant "Spoiled Secrets of Elite"

Bingo wrote: Spell checker gets me every time. I meant "Spoiled Secrets of Elite"

So... You HAVEN'T seen the S&M room?

Addendum : It doesn't help any that the 109 also has the smallest footprint and best camouflage of all the planes. It's a bear to see that sucker! I love it when I am flying it, though.

Yes yes yes yes I agree and it's crazy to me

Well, let's see.

Point 1. Not true. All airplanes shoot from the center of the screen. There is nothing difference whatsoever between an airco dh2 and the me109 when you shoot... It just shoots. No airplane shoots better than others.

Having said that the me109 is smaller than some other airplanes so I may lose the size of the others or increase the size of the me109 so the hit surface is larger.

Point 2. Yeah airplanes on ww2 were faster the problem here is that if you make it realistic at higher speeds that lag would be crazy. Imagine a half second delay on your internet connection when your enemy airplane is flying at 200mph and now when it's flying at 500mph... It would drive you nuts. At those speeds just a few milliseconds of Internet delays would make the planes jump all over when dogfighting. That's the reason all airplane games fake the speed (they display 500mph but they are not nearly flying at that speed). The math a computer power is there but internet latency hasn't improved much in decades. So I can fake it like most games and just display whatever speed on the speedometer and also resize the terrain to make it seem like you are moving faster... But it's always faking it. I see no point on it, when you are dogfight the real speed of the game is always the one used in any game

Joaquín cuando compre el zero japonés y el p40 americano,en el primer vuelo me marcaba 450 disparos y sin bomba volaba a 290 klh.Mi pregunta es...eso es una falla del juego o lo estas probando en beta?.por que ni experiencia a sido genial se llegaba mucho antes al campo enemigo,y con 2 bombas hera rapidísimo.fue realmente muy interesante,en parte te mete en aquella época con un pilotaje de vértigo, fue genial!!ojala!!se pudiese ir así a 300.una pasada,después del 1 vuelo los aviones vuelan sin bombas a 214,y cargan 325 balas máximo, me gustaría que nos explicases todo eso gracias!!