i played elite last night for about 45 minutes .after i played my eyes hurt i went back into a game today just to see whats going on
1 im using the cross hairs
2 im watching the bullet drop
3 im looking at the text screen to actually see if i hit the plane i can hardly see
I think the triangulation of my eyes between the three are causing my eyes to hurt i got the tags switched down as low as they will go but i still cannot see the planes like i can in dogfight

does any one else have thoughts or input to this ?

Yep-you're getting old!

yep no ones getting any younger but i dont have this issue in regular dogfight

bts wrote: Yep-you're getting old!

i'm having trouble seeing planes at distance too. they only get clearer when they are pretty close, though since the firing range is shorter too so it's not terribly awkward.

I have noticed some planes are dam.near invisible and shooting head on is very tough only for the fact that long range head on shooting does not show the drop in bullets.all you get is the tracers making a dot in the cross hair.you have to guesstimate the drop .it's not like shooting from.the side where you can see you tracers drop.

So if zup could figure the drop and add a pip sight that would help.a lot.what I mean is the tracers aren't just always a spot in the cross hairs but actually showing the drop at range when shooting head on .

Mostly the game has become a spray and pray type game

I would rather have the old style shooting back .although the drop is a good idea it has many problems.as with the drop most fights are now at much closer ranges and the bullets have no drop anyway.it has turned almost every game into a super long marathon of just trading kills and from what I have seen in bombing games one team only wins because one team just gave up .

I'm on PC with 21.5" monitor and have to concentrate to shoot dot-plane. I wonder how difficult it old be for phone or ipad players constantly holding device, resulting in neck sprain in long run along with strain on eyes.

Can you send me a screenshot of Dogfight vs Dogfight Elite same airplane, same distance?
I've tested, double checked and triple checked and they do look exactly the same size at any distance I set it up in all my phones. I don't see them any smaller.

So if I can get a real example it would be helpful to try to figure out why some see it smaller.

In elite for me, I see the planes but only when they're about half the distance they are in df 1, so for the equal distance, counting the bullet drop.. it's spray and pray for me.. lol

i have two devices zup samsung galaxy tab A 8 inch and a sony xperia z 10 inch i think maybe its not the size of the plane maybe the higher definition of the graphics makes the plane get lost easier in the background i cannot see the plane untill it gets closer and im not the only person to say this a few say they cant play because of this

zuperman wrote: Can you send me a screenshot of Dogfight vs Dogfight Elite same airplane, same distance?
I've tested, double checked and triple checked and they do look exactly the same size at any distance I set it up in all my phones. I don't see them any smaller.

So if I can get a real example it would be helpful to try to figure out why some see it smaller.

well, without screenshots this can go on forever. I know many have mentioned it, but the only way to fix it is that I see it. Unless by chance I happen to see the same on my phone, until someone posts a screenshot of the difference I can't nail down the problem.

[NLR] The Blue Fighter wrote: I'm on PC with 21.5" monitor and have to concentrate to shoot dot-plane. I wonder how difficult it old be for phone or ipad players constantly holding device, resulting in neck sprain in long run along with strain on eyes.

Everyone should be made to play on a 4.7" tilt device!!!!lol

I too am struggling with finding the plane.
Also, in DF1 you have "rank insignia" within the name that is always oriented center above the plane.
This was always helpful when your opponent had tried make their name tricky by using spaces.
All you had to do is use the rank symbol to find the plane.

Having read this back,is the issue you can't see the plane or you can't shoot it from stupid distance away??I like the fact it brings the planes closer together-it's a mare on DF when someone on a large screen shoots you from miles away!Elite seems fairer to me,but some won't think so!

Gotta be honest, when I saw the Title I thought, "Why is he bragging about his eye strain?"

I mean I've heard of "Bad eye strain" but who would classify their eye strain as "elite"?

I just say,the lack of rank insignia does make a big difference,especially with players who have "offset" their names.I thought the spaces were removed once?A possible aide may be to stop the gaps?Or al least centre the gap if if is a two word name.
Is the rank insignia going to make a comeback as the development goes along?

here is a similar shot in df and df elite as you can see in elite the plane is lost in the background

What I think in DF the bullets go straight so we focus on rank sign to judge the plane position but in elite we have to first know the plane position then concentrate on dropping bullets to adjust the aiming to hit the red plane, requiring eye focusing on both.

bts wrote: Having read this back,is the issue you can't see the plane or you can't shoot it from stupid distance away??I like the fact it brings the planes closer together-it's a mare on DF when someone on a large screen shoots you from miles away!Elite seems fairer to me,but some won't think so!

I have never played on anything bigger than a 5x3 screen I have an android HTC .so the long shooting does not belong to just the big screen tab guys .the problem I'm.having now is I can see the plane from far away but there is a point about mid range they just kinda blend in with the sky or background.I do not see them.again until they get close .

Now again when I'm.shooting head I see no drop in the bullets they only show up as a dot in the cross hairs like the old df .what is needed is them to actually show the drop when shooting straight ahead with a pipper in the cross hairs .as.it is.right now shooting straight ahead is just a guesstimate as to where your bullets are dropping .if you notice when your shooting from.the side you can see where your rounds are dropping and adjust you angle of fire ..

And I do have to agree about the rank symbol is need back as it did help with the aim again the no names .also I've noticed the planes are much lower under the names in elite than they were in df .

These are just my thoughts and in no way have been brought on by any type of funny fungi or native plant species.

Cut your screen light down a little bit

Dognamitt wrote: here is a similar shot in df and df elite as you can see in elite the plane is lost in the background

That is WHAT happens I can.see kickass I can see the closer Plane it's when a.Olney is in that mid range they just blend in either to the sky or ground .so there is a long point where there is nothing to shot at just a space where rounds are coming from .and you have to guess on that

I think an easy fix would be to reinstate the rank insignia above the plane and the name to the left , at least then if you cannot see the plane ( especially if you don't have 20-20 vision) then you have some ideas to where it is . If you know where the plane is then you can compensate for bullet drop.
An added bonus to this is that if there is a rank insignia, then you know when a bunch of planes are coming towards you, which one is most likely to down you so you can concentrate your fire on them.

I always wanted bullet drop and limited range...

And now I can't see what I'm shooting at. I think the bullets are coming fast enough that you don't see them individualy straight on, it's just a line starting at the crosshair and falling. It's nearly impossible to see head on if they are falling in front of or behind the target, as the target is hard to spot and there is no relativity like there is in the real world. If the tracers were spread out (two guns vanishing point rather than two guns firing on the same vanishing point line) or if they were paced slightly slower it might help. As it stands, you can't see them dropping in front of or behind the target.

The tracers don't get much smaller with distance. Unlike reality, where you are looking at rear sight with longer elevation selected, against front sight post fixed, in the game there is a crosshair that is fixed, and you look at and over both to the target, and the tracers go "up" with the axis of the barrel. I have to use Kentucky windage and guess, there is no fixed reference.

Losing the rank insignia didn't help as an aiming reference is gone, and I liked that because it was always centered and kept people that added spaces from gaining advantage.

bts wrote: I just say,the lack of rank insignia does make a big difference,especially with players who have "offset" their names.I thought the spaces were removed once?A possible aide may be to stop the gaps?Or al least centre the gap if if is a two word name.
Is the rank insignia going to make a comeback as the development goes along?

I think bts hit the nail, if you take away the rank insignia in regular DF, I doubt that you can actually see the plane when it first come on the radar. Didn't need to, most would just aim the rail gun below the insignia. Different story with Elite. Bullet drop with no insignia is now making some think the plane is less visible in Elite. I'm not so sure. Many I have played with on Elite have begun to figure out where to aim at the long distance. I would like to have the rank insignia back. I think I am going to offset my name.

if you look at my two screen shots you can clearly see the planes in dogfight in elite the plane is lost in the background both are shot at the same distance if you notice the backgrounds in elite like the water and the grass are way darker and blend the plane inot the background

[M] GAW wrote:

bts wrote: I just say,the lack of rank insignia does make a big difference,especially with players who have "offset" their names.I thought the spaces were removed once?A possible aide may be to stop the gaps?Or al least centre the gap if if is a two word name.
Is the rank insignia going to make a comeback as the development goes along?

I think bts hit the nail, if you take away the rank insignia in regular DF, I doubt that you can actually see the plane when it first come on the radar. Didn't need to, most would just aim the rail gun below the insignia. Different story with Elite. Bullet drop with no insignia is now making some think the plane is less visible in Elite. I'm not so sure. Many I have played with on Elite have begun to figure out where to aim at the long distance. I would like to have the rank insignia back. I think I am going to offset my name.

well, I look at your screenshots and they are not very helpful
1) Distance is different on both
2) On one the airplane is on the crappy water (which is brighter) and the other is on the higher quality water (which is darker), so you obviously see more clear in one over the other. On one you are on the snow (white background!) and the other you have it on top a carrier where you don't see jack.

Please try to take one screenshot on the same locations or at least with the same backgrounds, otherwise it's not a realistic comparison.

Now, looking at both there is one thing that is very clear: the are exactly the same size on both. So the size hasn't changed. The only size difference is the font with the name, which you made it small on settings I'm guessing.

Sorry for not reading all the previous posts.

I just noticed that the trees (as an example of the graphics) are turning from low poly to more detailed smoothly on my iPhone 6sPlus, but the trees pop up and get more detailed in stages on my iPad 3.

The eyestrain might have something to do with that? (The graphic capability of the device, not the trees themselves of course)

My dog is a real smart dog, and he said that all the trees are the same. Are they cloned?

you asked for screen shots zup i cannot see the planes very clear at distance when merged into the background of landscapes and other stuff in the background if i where in df i would be able to see this plane and probably take it down but i cant even see the plane . i can see them clearly when highlighted in the sky. But that means i have to fly low so they stand out in the sky but then im at a clear disadvantage because of bullet drop it seems to me that when heading for a plane head on the plane suddenly appears from no where