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I am not sure whether it is ok or not.

Camping/Air superiority is allowed in all games, spawnkilling is not.

What is the difference between these two?

Blacklist him Danny. He tried camping and attempting to spawnkill me the previous game where he was your team mate. He's not very good at it either...you gotta lock your brakes, crank the throttle and time it just right and release brakes...you can bring that loser down.

Players like him aren't very good, so they do what they can to get points, usually dropping and then camping to spawn kill.

The difference between camping and spawnkilling, is camping is staying in the area and after the plane gets off the ground you shoot him down (some just fly around to distract you while their teammates come in), but spawn killing is shooting the planes as they spawn.

Times it's ok to spawnkill is when you're inbound on a bombing run or getting the flag. Then you are just suppressing them as you go for the bomb. After that, then leave.

Specifically in zep games?

If the zep is nowhere near the base then spawn killing is definitely not ok. Camping, or hanging around the enemy base is okay as long as the planes are allowed to get airborne. At the end of the game as the zep is getting into position for bombing it is a different deal.

Anytime the game is close at the end, where both engines are gone and the health bar (green or yellow) is getting shorter then it is the allied side's job to keep the Germans from getting any more hits on it.... sometimes that means spawnkilling.

If there is still a lot of health left or if there are still engines then it may be better t let the Germans get airborne anyway.... It's really a judgement call and whatever choice you make, someone may disagree.

You seemed very upset about his behalf, Comet. So do I.
I am not sure whether a albatross have the ability to shoot him down or not.
I'll try it next time.

Camping is definitely allowed to let zeppelin bomb

i would say camping is allowed in zep game the whole point of the mission is to stop the red team from shooting down the zep (although this guy niarobi legend is a piece of shit )he will do it in any game hes a dropper camper spawn killer and a glitch user i seen him play some good honest game then ive seen him do just the reverse

This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

No problem here Zebra,
Truth be told, you didn't just camp. That is why you were reported on the blacklist.

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

No problem here Zebra,
Truth be told, you didn't just camp. That is why you were reported on the blacklist.

Actually Buckgeo.. whoops I mean Mr.Bingo.. even in your report on the blacklist thread you didn't try to lie and accuse me of spawnkilling like you're doing now.. & my reply to your quoted post is on page #149 post#151774 btw.. so why lie about it now ?

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

No problem here Zebra,
Truth be told, you didn't just camp. That is why you were reported on the blacklist.

Actually Buckgeo.. whoops I mean Mr.Bingo.. even in your report on the blacklist thread you didn't try to lie and accuse me of spawnkilling like you're doing now.. & my reply to your quoted post is on page #149 post#151774 btw.. so why lie about it now ?

Zebra,
Read my first response, Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line.
You automatically assume I am accusing of spawn killing, that I did not say.

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

Don’t even worry about it anymore. Just do your thing. This whole new generation of dogfight players are a bunch of cry babies. Originally the big thing was if you did not like your base being camped or if you did not like being spawn killed you would kill the guy either before he got to your base or you would use your breaks and timing to get in the air and begin a turn fight. That way you could get on a equal footing and kill him or he would kill you all depending on who could dance better in the sky or who was the most patient at waiting for the other pilot to make a mistake. May even have just come down to who would react the fastest with his guns as some turn fights come down to the point were you only have 1/4 of a second to shoot.

Now days the only challenge anyone wants is to fly straight as a laser and see if they can hit each other first in a head on. How in the hell people find that as fun makes no sense. Its like you guys want a game to go on for a few years. In the past before people started complaining about spawn killing and camping the way things worked was that if you could fight your way all the way up the field to the reds base get there and bomb, you earned your right to to kill the planes on the ground. If you were good enough to spawn kill or camp a whole team of players as well you were doing very well mainly because the majority of people could counter spawn killing and the turn fight was something most people had down.

If someone could get there and hold the enemy team on the ground, then the rest of his team mates could come and bomb ending the game. It was not any of this whining about spawn killing and camping crap that goes on today. It was really thought of that you got beat by the a superior team. Rather than complaining about things it was more honorable to deal with it and find a way out of it. The idea is to think and out smart. Find were your enemy is weak and fight them so they expose there weakness to you. Problem solving. Now its a crime to go and fly around the map or up high, sneaking in to bomb. That is the easiest thing to defend against as well. All people have to do is look at the name at the score chart and see who’s name is on it. If someones name is on it you haven’t seen fighting in the middle they are sneaking around. Once you see them and find the plane they are in, you should be able time them with a internal clock on when they will arrive again near your base. Kill them go fight some more once a bit of time has passed show up at your base and they will show up pretty soon for you to go kill them.

There is a way to counter every single thing in this game. Spawn killing, camping, and sneaking are all a viable tactic and there are even more tactics out there to counter them than to actually pull them off successfully.

First of all, I have to apologize for my poor English since I am not a native speaker.
The discussion on camping, spawnkilling, glitching whatsoever is not practical anymore.
The fact is that what those discussion we had brought out cannot change the behavior of those person we are talking about, so just do your job and take other's opinion in consideration as well.
Things that newbies can do is to wait for upgrading planes and practice skills at the same time.
If you don't like the match you are in, for example many senior players are on enemy side which you can't do anything, then just leave the game and be happy.

Graham crackers?.............check

Marshmellows?................check

Chocolate?...................check


If I don't have the above then I'm not camping.

Played this Narobi legend today in a DF match. You were camping runway. I had to chase you to 1000 feet. Trying to get you to engage in turn fight. You are most likely superior in your flight ability. But you run from me so you can camp and pick off spawners. I want rematch with you. If you beat me I salute you. If I beat you, then you salute me. If your out for points. Piss off and go find some server with other maggots.

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: This is a subject that is near & dear to my heart as the only time I ever appeared on the blacklist was when I was reported for camping the enemy airfield during a zep mission... NOT spawnkilling, but just camping. It was before I even had a top plane and I had no team mates. Seemed like the best tactic to take under the circumstances.

I feel that as long as you let the enemy get up into the air AND either turn or start shooting or drop his bombs you aren't even close to the accepted definition of 'spawnkilling' and most especially as I usually let the reds do ALL of the above before I kill 'em then there's no reason for anyone to complain except for their feelings being hurt lol!

Really Zebra,
I guess that story is subject to interpretation. I recall that the Zep was at or near the start point, you flew straight to the enemy base and performed your duties. Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line. The move was in poor taste, you could have held back near your zep and waited to engage. As the Zep approaches the base then suppress. Defend the Zep is the name of the mission.

Get off your high horse.
The only butt hurt was that someone had the audacity to report you on the blacklist for some of your game play at that time.
The Misfits took notice and booted you for this and other transgressions.

You're entitled to your opinion... but the fact of the matter is all I did was camp.. if you don't like that then that's your problem.. but it still doesn't change the fact that it's an effective tactic.. as for not being accepted by the misfits was the best thing to happen to me as it gave me the drive to bring a little history to this game in the formation of the Lafayette Escadrille! =)

No problem here Zebra,
Truth be told, you didn't just camp. That is why you were reported on the blacklist.

Actually Buckgeo.. whoops I mean Mr.Bingo.. even in your report on the blacklist thread you didn't try to lie and accuse me of spawnkilling like you're doing now.. & my reply to your quoted post is on page #149 post#151774 btw.. so why lie about it now ?

Zebra,
Read my first response, Camping or spawn killing is really subjective, where is the line and who is drawing that line.
You automatically assume I am accusing of spawn killing, that I did not say.

I thought ZebraUp was not only a great pilot, but a great man as well, which earned him respect from all of the people of DogFight, but unless this is a more "hostile" and/or "tricky" form of respect that I do not understand, I guess I was wrong... Even Zeb has enemies out there