If im approaching red carrier with 2 bombs n my teammates r far behind. I am looking at 3 red morafs just spawned on carrier ie certain death. Im approaching water, but i turn to avoid going over water. I get shot down and tank. Is this unethical or tactical on my part?

Please answer with no regard to whose feelings may get hurt. Be objective.

Not unethical Kptn . Definitly Tatical . Many do this , including me . If I deem the situation a bloodbath to try and cross the water to carrier hen I will edge as close as I can on land . Hoping also if shot down to tank . It is unethical if you drop bombs when taking off to get to the carrier to tank in my opinion . I see many doing this now days . In bomb the hanger I see a lot of senior players that will just fly behind alied hill waiting to be shot down to tank . Some of them I havnt seen them fly over that hill for a long time . I will say that my favourite bombing run though ,and the most rewarding to me , is when I run the gauntlet and drop red after red across water or over the hill and I get my two bombs to hit a home run . This just gives me that feeling of being at the height of my game . Also if I see a team mate or even a red do a full head on run and make it to the carrier or hanger and drop 2 bombs I give them the good job (gj) as a sign of respect . Always enjoy a game with you Kptn and glad to see you back . A salute from CC .

I have to agree with CC on this one, totally fine in my eyes. Plus u have to remember the ones just taking off have full ammo and bombs to drop on your tank, so they have the opportunity to take u out before any damage is done to the carrier

That's just smart play Kptn. I do the same.

I don’t think it is necessarily unethical. Your mission is to bomb the carrier, not waste yourself and your plane on game of chicken with 3 MORAFs, BUT . . .

There is a slight difference between flying in on 3 reds that just spawned and have time to get off the deck before you cross the shoreline, and hitting the shoreline when all 3 are still on the deck and just bringing their engines up to speed. Then death is a little less certain.

Any sane pilot would rather go down over dry land if they can. Also, it is one thing to be on a bombing run, assess the situation, decide it would be next to impossible to make it through to the carrier, and then turning to attempt to 1.) survive until your backup gets there, 2.) draw off as many reds as you can so that the second wave has a better chance of making it through, or 3.) actually turn tail and run back to join up with your teammates. If you get shot down in the process, I don’t see how that could be unethical, but it definitely was good tactical awareness.

On the other hand, if I fly in see 3 reds, turn left or right, and then sandbag along the shoreline in the hopes that a red will shoot me down so that I can tank . . . that is something entirely different. It’s still tactical thinking, but it kind of makes me feel unclean, like Sensei Kreese just told me to “sweep the leg” unclean.

kptn, it's fair enough. If three Moraf are there they know why you get yourself shot down and if I would be in their position I will get you in chute or tank too.

As CC said it would be more satisfying to go through the reds and I used to do it if my bullets reach the plane spawn point otherwise I pursue from land side so that if shot I could try tanking. Usually I take decisions depending upon the bullets left with me and frankly speaking now everyone knows why you are are roaming over hills or near carrier and they shot you double to kill your ultimate aim of getting into a tank.

They must have known you by now.

It's tactics.

Whatever can inflict the most damage. YOUR team comes first.

Most of it has already been said. I personally don't care for the guys that go straight for the shoreline even when they have a legit shot at bombing the carrier. Even worse guys that come out of the sneak zone only to set up to shell the carrier. So I guess you can say I am not a fan at those players that go solely for the shoreline.

Heck, to each their own. Me personally, I like taking the direct route. Like CC said it's awesome when you blast red after red and complete the bomb run. If I don't succeed, well no big deal. I will get another shot at it.

Don't get me wrong, just as you mentioned where a certain death awaits you, such as having 2 or 3 hits on you and having to get through a few reds or in some other situations, I'm gonna hug that shoreline like it's my woman.

Im sure if you were playing 3 morafs u already had a couple shots into you by the time u reached their shoreline. And if that carrier is at the far side of the lake then chances are if you go over that water you wont make it. Best tactic in my eyes is to hug the shoreline and get as close as you can so you have a legitimate shot with your tank. You have already fought your way across and gotten close. No one should even question you ethic. Its not seen as poor ethics its great tactics. I would do the same. Even if they were less than moraf. Its stupid to fight that far to respawn back to your carrier w o ever having a chance to take a shot at the ship

Yes everyone has said the same thing as I would have. You done the right thing if that's what u did I would have much respect to u for doing it or thinking it. Its your mind u make it up what to do.Me I would have done the same thing...... Good hunting

I got called out by a red a couple of days ago while playing a btc as "Mercy -1":

I was playing German and was well ahead of my team mates with the reds mostly still at their ship. I flew wide, originally to try to draw the reds so the blues would have fewer defenders to face. I hugged the terrain and followed a line where if I got shot down I would be in tank range. One red crashed trying to get to me while another got suspicious and quit firing. I made an evasive loop rather than head out over the water. A red said "Why no bomb Mercy?" as I turned around and dropped him. I then made the short run across the water as he was respawning and dropped both of my bombs on the carrier...."Merry x-mas"...."I was saving them for you".

By that time the other blues were either on the carrier with bombs or had been shot down in range so the carrier took a quick 6 hits and the game ended. Its sad when someone is so sure that you're "cheating" that they take the time to complain instead of playing, then..... suprise!

In another recent game I got called out for "sneaking" while the reds were outnumbed. When I'd started my run the teams were even, several came in and left the game during my run. I think it was 3 vs. 2 when the complaint came. The funny thing is that my specific intention was to be in view to draw the reds off.... again, I was still carrying. "Sneaking"? "Outnumbered"? Come on...play the game. If I had dropped my bombs on tanks and then done this I sure they would have been certain that I was "cheating" even though no one would say it was wrong to bomb tanks... I suppose will say that I should have turned around to re-arm... bah!

The fact is there will always be those who play "abusively" and there will always be those who are ready to complain about how others play, and since there is no way to know for sure what someone else is doing or thinking there will always be lots of grey area when it comes to "ethics".

The harder you fight in-game and the less you worry about whether someone else is being "fair" the better the games will be.... unless of course someone just likes drama.

The only thing I have an issue with is the ones that will fly over bombless and make no effort to carry a bomb to the carrier but instead just fly along looking to tank. Same can be said of a btb game... the ones who fly over bombless and hang out just over the hill in an effort to tank. By "issue" what I mean is I am not a fan of their game play however I will not complain about it, rather just adapt to the tactic. These players need to be quickly identified by all the blues, not just me, and dealt with accordingly. Inevitably they either 1)are not identified by all the blues and given a tank within range of the carrier, or 2) leave when they realize I wont let them get a tank in range of the carrier (base fits here as well)

Legitimate tactic? Sure. Rubs me the wrong way? You bet it does.

Back on track I would do the same thing as the original poster given the scenario described... not face three fresh morafs head on and go for the shoreline! Besides tanks take more time to kill which allows the incoming blues to close some distance and keep the fight at the reds doorstep. Field position is important.

Ethics of Dogfight? What is that?

Saw all the post and you can pretty much see that everyone is ok with what you did. Remember this is a game to have fun. Just a GAME! Most players here will try to tell you how you should play and what in their minds is right or wrong. Do this! Do not do that! Just PLAY YOUR GAME AND HAVE FUN; everyone here plays their own way and in their own style. In my case if I see this situation, I would drop my bomb and take the incoming planes on a dogfight match, why take them head on? They are going to kill me anyway, and if I become a tank, they will kill me too, sooooooo best to take them for a little spin and that way cover for incoming team mates. Oh wait, that sounds like a DROPPER TO ME!!! The Horror of that you will not be able to endure; so let’s go to plan B, HI ALTITUD BOMBING!!! It’s so much safer you do not need to question the ethics of using the beach to TAN YOUR TANK or the reds make a BBQ on top of you. Uh oh wait I think that is call SNEAKEING!!!!! Noooooooo the horrrrrror what next a PC PLAYER?
Just having a little FUN, ITS JUST A GAME HAVE FUN WITH IT AND ENJOY IT AND THE FRIENDSHIPS.

Thanx to all who replied

Yea someone called me on it in a game the other day. Jus wanted to clear it up

Yea its suppose to b fun so dont overthink ittt

Spawned into a ctf game yesterday (sarcastic yeyy)
With low levels in red im thinking easy win
When a blue pointed out someone from our team had dropped enemy flag into the building next to hangar mere feet away from a win

This was followed by me crashing ten times frantically trying to free it from the roof but to no awail. Tteam of squadren leaders had us beat ((

Their was no way to enter to retrieve

(It was a joke.)

Rudolf Rednose wrote: (It was a joke.)

Oh myyyy
Did i overrreacttt

Apologiessss

Apple user here: is the topography in Elite the same as regular Dogfight or is it new terrain?

I hear there are trees that can't be turned off. If so, are they randomly generated or are they consistent?

R E Z wrote: Apple user here: is the topography in Elite the same as regular Dogfight or is it new terrain?

I hear there are trees that can't be turned off. If so, are they randomly generated or are they consistent?

Hey Rez,

Same map, bridge, water,.etc. There is no pavement at the runways. The trees seem to be mostly randomly placed, it may be that some areas have a higher chance of having trees... it's hard to say. Trees block bullets and tank rounds and you can crash into them. You can also hide behind clouds and terrain... no visible name tag unless the plane is in view. Clouds can't be turned off either.