First question Kdr if your Kdr has no affect on your rank or your world.rank why do.so.many feel.the need to worry about it.(I.e.dropping and camping to.spawnkill).most of the time droppers only get in the way and as they pad their Kdr they reduce their teams ability to shoot by being directly in the line of fire for their team .

Second question in bombing mission.if the object is to get to the base to bomb why do.so.many feel the need to shoot tanks in.mid field (I.e.just getting more kills for Kdr) .this has always perplexed me as to.why someone shoots a tank in.mid field only to have them.spawn at their base with a new plane .especially when it's a full team on both sides .it just give the reds more chance to.defend their base .and greatly reduces youth teams chance at bombing.

mad rabbit its a all about peoples mind set they think kdr is important and killing a tank is points for them i too used to get frustrated with these players. now i see them as a non team player yesterday i was near coming in to bomb the hangar i flew over a tank near red base and the guy behind me (a moraf) killed the tank next thing i know im not dealing with one plane on runway but two in two different places. needless to say i only have on gun so you know how this ends .i could have ended the game right there and then! Im always begging players to play as a team but it seems selfishness and points are more important

True dog .I can't count how many times I could.of.finished a game only the see two.tanks get destroyed behind me.in.mid field .leaving me to.suddenly face two fresh planes coming at me .and I'm.usually damaged so one or two.shots will do it .what I find.funny is some.of the people that shoot tanks.at mid field are the ones that complain about long lasting games .kind self.defeating dont you think.

yep one top player here told me he didn't see the point in people shooting tanks midfield as they posed no threat but i saw him in a few games doing the very thing lol go figure?

You guys are right, it makes no sense and I don't even think that it is a points thing I think it's out of habbit. If a tank and I are at the halfway point in a game with no other players, I have just enough time to bomb then fly back to base before they get in range. If there are more players on my team the other player spawning after me can take care of the tank, more players on his team, I get shot down spawn then take care of the tank or if I'm worried about it I can crash after bombing. Unfortunately we don't get enough time to strategize with our team before the game starts.

You're right about how many players will shoot any tank any time, but for me it depends:

* Who is in the tank?
* How many blue hangars are left?
* Who are the other blues?
* Who are the other reds?

Having one set way to handle a situation is foolish. There are some tankers who you know that once they are in range you will lose hangars, while others will be sure to pick off planes. There are several tankers who I would not leave for blue noobs to take care of unless I'm sure they can't get in range before I can get back. I will often "soften" a red tank at mid field by getting several hits but avoiding the kill, trouble is someone else may have already had the same idea....oops.

Some teammates will communicate well and let you know if they are on last approach. It would be handy to set up a shorthand system, something like "......" then "...." then "..." to indicate how close you are. (Of course that would only work with blues who pay attention to team strategy.)

The tank dynamics of btc games are quite different too. Sometimes the position of the ship in the lake makes it so a red tank can't get in range for a while while other times if they successfully take out one defending plane, they can be a big problem.

Remember to cut some slack for noobs and just for everyone in general... you don't know what's going on in someone else's head. I've seen people go ballistic over miscommunications or on low levels for making mistakes that everyone has made before. Why stress?

Wasn't talking about a btc mission and I as most understand the noobs .but when some has been playing for a long time .they now better.and it doesn't matter whoes in a tank if it's no threat to the base why shoot it .I see only two times to shoot tanks .one when it is a threat or will become one before you can bomb .two is when it protecting the red base and can shoot you in a chute or before you can tank.people claim they use tactics well being stupid isn't a tactical option.shooting a tank that has no possibility of hitting a hanger and sending them back to their base so you now have to face them again is rather dumb .shooting a tank when they know your approaching the base is even.dumber .so there sometimes isn't a lot of communication in a fast paced game .people have eyes don't they they can see the screen and that chat .take the dam time to look ahead if one or two guys pass a tank don't shoot the tank behind them .it's not rocket science people they passed the tank for a reason they passed it for a chance to advance down the field not to have someone put that player back into a plane .yes some guys are experts in tanks .yes I get shot by tanks going past but almost everyone of them are easy to get past .yes I have sacrificed myself so someone else can advance but like I said Kdr has absolutely no affect on your ranking or points anymore.

a.two.part answer:

1. I just hate tanks.

2. They should have no place in this game, except as a moving target.

Doggy Dix wrote: ....

The guys who stay in tank without thinking further...dont have a slightest clue of using the simplest tactic.

Bingo. That's the point I'm always trying to make. You need to think about what other players are doing, and sometimes you need to consider what you think they think you are doing. It's called meta gaming. If you try to lay down one standard way to do things you are restricting the possibilities and making it easy for others to take advantage of you. Mix it up.

META GAMING WIKI The term metagame is a mathematic descriptor for set interaction governing subset interaction
eg There is a special set of moves in chess which allows a player to win in four moves. Competitor A has been watching Competitor B play chess, and the past five games in a row Competitor B has attempted to use this four-move win. When Competitor A sits down to play against Competitor B, Competitor A will be metagaming if he/she plays in a way that will easily thwart the four-move checkmate before Competitor B makes it obvious that this is what he/she is doing.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: ....

The guys who stay in tank without thinking further...dont have a slightest clue of using the simplest tactic.

Bingo. That's the point I'm always trying to make. You need to think about what other players are doing, and sometimes you need to consider what you think they think you are doing. It's called meta gaming. If you try to lay down one standard way to do things you are restricting the possibilities and making it easy for others to take advantage of you. Mix it up.

I typically ignore the tanks until I think they’re in range. I will say that that strategy cost me recently. As you say, consider who is in that tank. Another issue is that you can't always count on when you're going to be able to get back to your base.

A couple experienced tankers in some really fast tanks combined with me getting caught in a prolonged turning fight near the enemy base . . . and my miscalculation about how long I had before the tanks from midfield were going to be a problem cost us four hangars.

Now, you can just crash, but, personally, I try to avoid crashing. I might on rare occasion do it in a last ditch effort to defend my base or my wingman if I'm out of ammo, I can kind of see how that might happen in the real world. I don't do it just to get a quick teleport back to base; that ruins the immersion for me, and it's at the top of a slippery slope to crashing to avoid ruining your KDR.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: ....

The guys who stay in tank without thinking further...dont have a slightest clue of using the simplest tactic.

Bingo. That's the point I'm always trying to make. You need to think about what other players are doing, and sometimes you need to consider what you think they think you are doing. It's called meta gaming. If you try to lay down one standard way to do things you are restricting the possibilities and making it easy for others to take advantage of you. Mix it up.

Exactly it would be nice if some people tried to think about what's going on in the game .
Case in point it's a six man game 3/3 two reds.in tanks mid field good players one guy in a plane .two blues in front in within eye sight of the two .they pass the tanks they shoot down the one .the two.reds stay in their tanks why would the one blue player in back shoot the two tanks .like I said it not rocket science.it's not calculus.all this game requires is minimal brain function.unfortunately some.people haven't mastered that yet .

Now as for someone padding their Kdr I was in a game against four reds two were dropping and yet still we we're shooting them my team was a noob holding his own a group captain and me .so the noobs is sticking with me and doing good as a wing man .we were pushing the reds back without much problem.so here comes the hero of the game .the group captain starts to drop and races past us as we we're shooting reds goes right in front of us bang I shoot him only because he flew into my fire the the noobs got him.in his chute .so a few more times of this the noob got a five minute ban I was.short by one to get the same .
Now my point here is that it's not just noobs but guys that have been playing for years do this .so if your going to drop and supposedly help your team then use your freaking brain don't fly directly in front of your team .your not helping anyone if your team.can't shoot reds because they have to worry about hitting you just stay the hell out of the way shoot from the sides or high do anything you want just stop and think .

Great now I have to do mathematics while flying and drinking and smoking. I'm going to need more hands.

You are all right, of course......

But I still hate tanks, and not at all convinced they should have any place here.

Killing tanks?

I'm rehashing what others have said that you should know who and when to kill a tank at midfield. Some tankers pose a danger and are smart enough to spawn should you get by them.

I get what you're saying rabbit. Mannnnnn I blew it the other day. I did exactly what you are justifiably saying to avoid. I killed a harmless tank at midfield (don't know why either...think I was on a rampage) and that now spawning plane ended up killing my teammate who would have had a clear bombing path.

All I could think was "did I do that"

Freakin dope I am!


And yes, way too many players go around doing exactly this. Guys that should know better too. When I see a noob doing it, I don't mind at all. They're just trying to get any kill that they can plus it's good practice for them.

How many times:

YOU:"Leave the tank"
SOME NOOB destroyed by RED TANK
YOU: "nvrmnd"

Spawned into a game yesterday with one blue hangar left. Checked the board n i see a noob n a moraf red with thee moraf owning eye popping a 35 to 0 kdr. Obviously feel sorry for the blue who had to pay n they left soon as i came in. Obviously find out this guy is dropping faster then jenny craig. Got him once. He respwns n gets my tattered plane. By this time another blue shows up and we are able to bomb all his 4 hangars leaving him with a loss and an enviable 36 to 2 kdr.

Point is. Win at all cost.

Ive seen morafs wave the white flag when faced with overwhelming reds.
To protect their kdr they accept defeat

You havent lived till uve tasted dirt with 5 morafs beati g u down.
Lose but get respect. Schoolyard rules apply.

|111th|KptnSINGH wrote: Spawned into a game yesterday with one blue hangar left. Checked the board n i see a noob n a moraf red with thee moraf owning eye popping a 35 to 0 kdr. Obviously feel sorry for the blue who had to pay n they left soon as i came in. Obviously find out this guy is dropping faster then jenny craig. Got him once. He respwns n gets my tattered plane. By this time another blue shows up and we are able to bomb all his 4 hangars leaving him with a loss and an enviable 36 to 2 kdr.

Point is. Win at all cost.

Ive seen morafs wave the white flag when faced with overwhelming reds.
To protect their kdr they accept defeat

You havent lived till uve tasted dirt with 5 morafs beati g u down.
Lose but get respect. Schoolyard rules apply.

Who is this Singh guy? Some noob? lol.
Just kidding, sir Singh. It's been a long while since I have seen you in a game. Welcome back, I think. Hope to see you "blue".