Ok there's far to any dumb people.that are on the same side just shooting around me or anyone for practice.this is bs! First it limits the moving that we can do because we are trying not to get hit by a teammate.second it's just freaking annoying.

so if your gonna use me for practice I will turn and shoot ur azz .

there's enough droppers sneaks and plain out right dirty players .no one needs this crap..

also there are some.people that shoot very freaking well .so I as many don't need fire from both sides.

droppers on my team if your in my way I'm still shooting I will not die because you want a special kdr.or you think your helping your team .guess what your not

I fight fair and fight hard to stay alive and bomb .you get in my way I'll treat you like a red .

sorry all I had to vent that .I'm just to tired of the shear amount of stupidly going on .

I agree with the rabbit! I've been shot more by noob blues than reds lately! So what I've started doing is let them in front of me, then I don't have to worry bout being shot in the back! And if they're in front of me and my bullets hit em cuz their in the way, I'll apologize, but I won't regret it! I'm not the best pilot and don't pretentious to be, but I agree mad.. if u end up in front of me I won't break fire for stupidity.

I think it's wabbitseason.

Rudolf Rednose wrote:

I think it's wabbitseason.

It's dumb noob season as far as I'm concerned.
P.s. shoot the duck first

Also I've been called out on a typo in my original post .
So sorry this upset you I'm typing on a phone with small keys and the spell check seems to do what it wants ..
And yes I will call stupidity on those that shoot around me for the whole time I'm flying.
So if your biggest worry is about my spelling just move along please.

oDDJob wrote: Three time teamkill and then banned...

Anyone can accidentally hit a teammate. S.hit happens time to time.
I don't think it's nothing to wright home about. Often it's enough to text a warning in team chat that the other pilot causing troubble with that uncontrolled firing...

But there's some noobs that are really triggerhappy,start firing as soon they lift from ground with no reds insight and that's a problem... I often move aside from to "highway" when there's player as act like that...prefer like pink fly behind them..lol.

Yes odd I did try to move over and let him pass .but he was determined to help me as a wingman .so he either was behind me or got in my line of fire .

If your going to be a wingman act like one .otherwise I'm gonna leave you to the reds .it's hard enough to shoot some of theses guys without some dumb azz flying in front of me (supposedly trying to protect me) or some unskilled noob shootin over my damn wing .
There are many I do trust .to shoot over me but they have developed a skill to do so without shooting me down .

oDDJob wrote: Three time teamkill and then banned...

Anyone can accidentally hit a teammate. S.hit happens time to time.
I don't think it's nothing to wright home about. Often it's enough to text a warning in team chat that the other pilot causing troubble with that uncontrolled firing...

But there's some noobs that are really triggerhappy,start firing as soon they lift from ground with no reds insight and that's a problem... I often move aside from to "highway" when there's player as act like that...prefer like pink fly behind them..lol.

LMFAO...you do know why they are shooting as soon as they take off right?

It's because when you spawn and get that first glimpse of the reds to let you know where they are. The noobs see this and think the reds are actually there even though there are not. Then the noobs start firing like crazy until the red names disappear.

It makes me laugh every time.

I remember doing the same thing too when I started here.



And yes rabbit I agree with all you say here. Especially the droppers that fly in front of you. I used to get killed because I would hold my fire back so I wouldn't hit them dancing in front of me. After getting killed too many times because of these droppers I just simply let my bullets fly at the reds and if the dropper gets killed by me, so be it. I just send a message saying "sorry but you cut right into my line of fire".

I flew in a game last night where; between the people dropping in my face as we left the runway, flying straight across my fire, lining up behind me and shooting "over" my wing, or popping out of their dive to set up right in front of me just as I was squeezing off a burst on a red . . . I wound up with two team kills and three or four penalties for firing on my team, while being the victim of three team kills and so many doses of friendly fire through my wings that I lost count!

I've been trying to up my game by following Boelcke's tactics as often as possible.

There are a few that I don't see many people following (veteran pilots included):

1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.

3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights

5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind

8. Tip for Squadrons: In principle, it is better to attack in groups of four or six. If fights break up into a series of single combats, pay attention that several comrades would not go after one opponent.


How often do you see anyone try to maneuver into position instead of just running up the alley, nose-to-nose, and opening up on each other at range?

S. E. Dailey wrote: I flew in a game last night where; between the people dropping in my face as we left the runway, flying straight across my fire, lining up behind me and shooting "over" my wing, or popping out of their dive to set up right in front of me just as I was squeezing off a burst on a red . . . I wound up with two team kills and three or four penalties for firing on my team, while being the victim of three team kills and so many doses of friendly fire through my wings that I lost count!

I've been trying to up my game by following Boelcke's tactics as often as possible.

There are a few that I don't see many people following (veteran pilots included):

1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.

3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights

5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind

8. Tip for Squadrons: In principle, it is better to attack in groups of four or six. If fights break up into a series of single combats, pay attention that several comrades would not go after one opponent.


How often do you see anyone try to maneuver into position instead of just running up the alley, nose-to-nose, and opening up on each other at range?

Flawless number-crunching.

I think the reason you see so many laws going out the window is because the laws have no effect on this game.

When we were noobs, we all tried maneuvering before shooting, gaining the altitude advantage, shooting from behind,etc. Then we realized that because there's no bullet drop, only the most basic gravity physics, and an absurd amount of ammo that can be wasted firing into air, we stopped bothering with those tactics because they didn't work anyway.

When I see someone swerving back and forth on their way to my plane, I just thank Kanye that they aren't shooting at me and spray into their pattern, typically putting an easy four bullets into them.

I find it easier to shoot up at somebody than it is to shoot down at them. I would much rather angle upward.

I do like to fly slightly off to the side and set a crossfire, that's about the only combat tactic that is relevant in this game.

So you thought this was Dogfight? Throw that out the window, this is treadmill simulator.

Shooting up rather than down and a slight crossfire . . . that's pretty much what I've been able to incorporate most often as well. I actually like to swing out and flank them if I'm not alone . . . works better with my old eyes and keyboard-arrow aim to get closer.

The laws having more effect is something I would love to see in DF Elite. It can be done, and has been done in previous flight sims, I just don't know if it is something the market would support anymore.