Well to tell you the truth, yeah I am. Well not for saying what I am about to. Plenty of other things take credit for that.

I get along with many players here in DF. Actually most players. I have to admit MORAF 21 is one of them. He and I have been just as good of friends here from when I started playing DF seven months ago as I am with many others, maybe even better.

Look, I know so many of you players have issues with him. I can't say I blame you either. I would too if I was in your shoes, but I am not. I do disagree with some of his game play, such as team killing and spawn killing. Seems like most of this stuff stems from before I arrived here. That's not my concern. I am not going to base my opinions of someone how they are judged by others. I will form my opinion of them for myself.

Tell you the truth I don't see MORAF 21 doing things much different than many other players, but that's just me. Maybe because he respects me enough to not do them around me. I have seen so many players use all kinds of so called tactics, language, and things of that nature, but some of them never get any heat for it. I think that is messed up.

Does MORAF 21 deserve getting some lip? Yeah, he does, but you know what? So do many other players too. I for one have been on the receiving end from many players, even some of the best players here in DF, and yes even MORAF 21 once. It's just funny to me how many of these top players that pull bs regularly don't get any heat for their actions.

So you know what everyone? Cut the kid some slack. I don't mean let it all go, but if he hasn't directly offended you, don't go jumping on the band wagon simply because everyone else is doing it. If you are going to come down this hard on him why don't you start coming down on some of the big names here that deserve it as well. Seems like it's easy to join in while others are already bashing a player. So many players claim to be so tough around here? I would love to see these tough guys step up to a top player that deserves some lip. Any volunteers? I didn't think so.

I can tell you for sure that if I was playing this game when I was his age, I would have been A LOT worse than he is. Well I'm past that stage in life and those things are behind me. Life slaps you around sometimes and matures you up in a heartbeat. Well that's what happened to me.

So if any of you are wondering why I may like MORAF 21, well it's simply that our friendship here is no different than any other friendship I may have you. You all know who I am talking about too. The players that are cool with me and get the same respect in return.

This thread isn't here to make MORAF 21 out to be a good guy or a bad guy. Nor is it here to exploit others. I am just saying that if you all may have met MORAF 21 in the same way I did, you too may actually like him.

Maybe there will be a day where I may want to kick myself for saying all this about him, because I sure as heck know that there are many players here that I held high regard for that will never get my respect. I may not show it, but it is how I feel.

Ohhh yeah. I am more than sure there are some of you that don't care for me either

When a top player team kills repeatedly then says they did it because you team killed him first, (or a myriad of other excuses) I would jump up and volunteer. Mostly top players don't team kill and therefore get the respect they deserve.

Lots of people have given a second, third, and fourth chance. Eventually people run out of do-overs. Im pretty sure that is about where most of us are in the timeline.

I suspect it's a sense of entitlement.. some folks feel it is their right to act however they want at anyone else's expense. Poor parenting is a possible cause. Life isn't "all about me".

Gunzzz, you can like whomever you wish, just don't expect all of us to like the same people. As an example, I like you just fine. Your buddy, not so much.

Good job Gunzz.
Moraf21 truly is an asshole....a steam powered, ocean class asshole. But, of course, to somebody out there, so am I, and so are you, and so is Davy, and so is Swop, and so is Cricket, and so is Bzerk, and so on and so on.........(apologies to those too many to mention but wanted one. PM me and I'll fix it, Hulk, Rednose, LiL, Mean etc...)
I was reminded a couple of days ago by another asshole (TX) of what was said by a well known A grade jackass (Wig) that wit trumps survival. As 21 burns at the stake, I can't help feeling that we would be better to put up with his chirpy petulance than to enforce his submission.
He has always been respectful and well meaning to me.

Thanks Viper for the kind words.

You have always been a good man in my eyes. Plus I will never forget the times you helped me out. (*clearing my throat*) send turn fighting tips

Like I said, I can definitely understand people not liking him. For those that he has pulled the wooly over too many times, they owe him nothing. I for sure don't expect anyone to take a liking to him because of what I wrote. I just think some guys can lay off a bit that have not been offended by him. Then again, maybe I am wrong and he has offended all.

I hope I didn't come across as claiming that some top players team kill. I have never seen that. I was referring to some other so called "tactical" play and/or glitches.

You are always a true gentleman Viper and you my good man have my full respect.

Viper10{WP} wrote: When a top player team kills repeatedly then says they did it because you team killed him first, (or a myriad of other excuses) I would jump up and volunteer. Mostly top players don't team kill and therefore get the respect they deserve.

Lots of people have given a second, third, and fourth chance. Eventually people run out of do-overs. Im pretty sure that is about where most of us are in the timeline.

I suspect it's a sense of entitlement.. some folks feel it is their right to act however they want at anyone else's expense. Poor parenting is a possible cause. Life isn't "all about me".

Gunzzz, you can like whomever you wish, just don't expect all of us to like the same people. As an example, I like you just fine. Your buddy, not so much.

What are you saying Biggs? You calling me a pain in the rear? LMAO

JK bro. I get where you are coming from.

Heck, the only time I consider you a pain is when you're busting up my plane

Ronnie Biggs wrote: Good job Gunzz.
Moraf21 truly is an asshole....a steam powered, ocean class asshole. But, of course, to somebody out there, so am I, and so are you, and so is Davy, and so is Swop, and so is Cricket, and so is Bzerk, and so on and so on.........(apologies to those too many to mention but wanted one. PM me and I'll fix it, Hulk, Rednose, LiL, Mean etc...)
I was reminded a couple of days ago by another asshole (TX) of what was said by a well known A grade jackass (Wig) that wit trumps survival. As 21 burns at the stake, I can't help feeling that we would be better to put up with his chirpy petulance than to enforce his submission.
He has always been respectful and well meaning to me.

D93 and Viper10 both are right as they have faced different situation with MORAF21.

Let's see how many got team killed / upset by MORAF21 and whom he has shown the respect by playing fair.

One think for sure, he is very impatient. Not sticking to what he says and this has created mistrust resulting DF Community has lost faith in him.

If he respects you a lot, tell him to play fair and follow the proverb "Silence is Gold" both in game/World chat as well as in forum by removing plane and world chat in Graphics options and login as guest in forum rather than as Moraf21 till he can control his outburst.

Creating multiple threads will not help at all. He has spoiled his image so badly that it's really impossible to clear it and the day will come when members will not open the post if it is created by him.

The kind of impression you have for Moraf-21 is not the same with rest of the community. We can only help him when he himself want to change otherwise it will be just another post where we receive the reaction of members but no changes in MORAF-21.

"Steam powered, ocean class asshole." That is pure gold! I am stealing it. I am glad you have returned, Ronnie!

Ronnie Biggs wrote: Good job Gunzz.
Moraf21 truly is an asshole....a steam powered, ocean class asshole. But, of course, to somebody out there, so am I, and so are you, and so is Davy, and so is Swop, and so is Cricket, and so is Bzerk, and so on and so on.........(apologies to those too many to mention but wanted one. PM me and I'll fix it, Hulk, Rednose, LiL, Mean etc...)
I was reminded a couple of days ago by another asshole (TX) of what was said by a well known A grade jackass (Wig) that wit trumps survival. As 21 burns at the stake, I can't help feeling that we would be better to put up with his chirpy petulance than to enforce his submission.
He has always been respectful and well meaning to me.

Gunzz I've got respect many there's a few that I had respect for before n now there's no respect to them last night I tried giving Moraf some helpful advice until I see a change from him I cant respect him fully I will be civil to him but those like cricket who is so far up his backside thinking he's the king of all squads world chat n what not I don't have to answer too. Viper you are also right parenting is the cause for kids behaviours. Blue you have posted a fair point aswell.

It takes a village to raise a child. Lord knows this community has tried. Unfortunately, we have raised an idiot. But, every village needs its idiot. Better MORAF than me...




It's not me, right?


Really, it's not...me?

Everything that is going on with MORAF 21 and the DF community seems to have started from the situation with the squad in the past. He has taken the blame for it. Then along the way a lot of hatred stirred up. When I enter games now and he is in them I see a lot of drama going on. It comes from both sides. All I say to myself at that point is "here we go again". Well often, believe it or not, when he and I are in a game, it is a nice clean game and is actually quite fun. He is a good player and has a great personality. We share a few laughs as well.

Seems like this type of relationship just can not be accomplished with the rest of the players, well maybe some. Sometimes things have gone so far south that there is too much bad blood to fix them.

He and I do speak. What the future holds for him, I don't know. Am I speaking to him as a friend? Yes. Maybe one day he will play as I do. Guess he will have to prove it to himself first.

He took some things too far. Yeah sure he knows it too. Reverse the rolls and I would have probably done the same thing and everyone knows that I am easy going.

Maybe he will better himself and take a good path in this game in time to come. He very easily can do it. Will he? That is only up to him. I just hope some other players will also see their faults and change their ways as well.

You my friend Blue, what can I say? I think everyone here in DF knows how much of a classy guy you are. You are one of the best players in the game and what you do for the community in this forum, well let's just say it really is an honor to have your friendship here.

[NLR] The Blue Fighter wrote: D93 and Viper10 both are right as they have faced different situation with MORAF21.

Let's see how many got team killed / upset by MORAF21 and whom he has shown the respect by playing fair.

One think for sure, he is very impatient. Not sticking to what he says and this has created mistrust resulting DF Community has lost faith in him.

If he respects you a lot, tell him to play fair and follow the proverb "Silence is Gold" both in game/World chat as well as in forum by removing plane and world chat in Graphics options and login as guest in forum rather than as Moraf21 till he can control his outburst.

Creating multiple threads will not help at all. He has spoiled his image so badly that it's really impossible to clear it and the day will come when members will not open the post if it is created by him.

The kind of impression you have for Moraf-21 is not the same with rest of the community. We can only help him when he himself want to change otherwise it will be just another post where we receive the reaction of members but no changes in MORAF-21.

Deli, what can I say about you? You are one of the guys I always look foward to catching up with. You have a great attitude and I have even seen you try to share it with MORAF 21. Sometimes you have to realize that some people just will not change. Can they in the future? Sure.

Just keep being the man that you are. You are a solid guy that all should be thankful to have as a friend here. I know I am.

ÐélíWølf{WP**} wrote: Gunzz I've got respect many there's a few that I had respect for before n now there's no respect to them last night I tried giving Moraf some helpful advice until I see a change from him I cant respect him fully I will be civil to him but those like cricket who is so far up his backside thinking he's the king of all squads world chat n what not I don't have to answer too. Viper you are also right parenting is the cause for kids behaviours. Blue you have posted a fair point aswell.

LOL...TX

You know what? I'll take the title of the village idiot. Why? Because I am the idiot that thinks and has tried to do something about the many idiots here. Hence I am the king of the idiots

I am looking for a replacement though. I have a real cool dunce hat that I gladly would hand over to you should you want it.

All kidding aside bro, it's always good to see you in the skies. You are one tough customer up there.

TXLAWMAN wrote: It takes a village to raise a child. Lord knows this community has tried. Unfortunately, we have raised an idiot. But, every village needs its idiot. Better MORAF than me...




It's not me, right?


Really, it's not...me?

I said it on another thread, but here it goes: he's just a teenager, claiming attention; and he is geting it... Lets kill reds!

C'mon guys,

We are putting together the naughty and the nice lists and we are on a deadline here.

Could you reach SOME kind of a unanimous recommendation already?

You don't want a replacement Gunzzz! I'm just a peon! You're a king! Better to be the King of the Idiots than just another schmoe.

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: LOL...TX

You know what? I'll take the title of the village idiot. Why? Because I am the idiot that thinks and has tried to do something about the many idiots here. Hence I am the king of the idiots

I am looking for a replacement though. I have a real cool dunce hat that I gladly would hand over to you should you want it.

All kidding aside bro, it's always good to see you in the skies. You are one tough customer up there.

TXLAWMAN wrote: It takes a village to raise a child. Lord knows this community has tried. Unfortunately, we have raised an idiot. But, every village needs its idiot. Better MORAF than me...




It's not me, right?


Really, it's not...me?

Someones got a bro-mance going on! Jk I don't know if I've flown with him but if you say he's ok then he's ok