ok folks, I believe that this forum has some very smart people. I will now post several pictures.

From looking at the photographic evidence what would your guess be as to what happened.

I was not the one landing, my friend is also a commercial pilot and instructor as I am although I am not currant.

We had a smooth touchdown and then the airplane verred to the right and would not slow down until the prop dug into the ground the the nose gear broke off, ONLY 10 feet from dead center to the back of a fuel truck.

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I'm not sure, but if it was not fatigue the landing gear, you probably hit something during landing, or part of the nose gear tore up and caught the tire.

Haven't got any clue.....but is that only one real constant braking mark from the right wheel? Looks like the left brake only worked part of the time........and that's why you went in a right curve.

Or the right brake locking.........

Good to hear you are allright Davy.

Its Gremlins!!!!!! that is what it was.

Expert by no means here but guessing from the skid mark a d judging distance from end of runway to skid mark, it could be a wheel bearing that froze up or the right brake froze.

Just guessing, but i would say, right brake or wheel bearing siezure to start. Once the plane veered into grass the sudden stress caused the nose wheel to collapse. After that you had about as much control as a bathtub. Is this the plane that was in shop for maintenece last weekend?

Is airplanes and car wheel stuff similar? Seems to me if the bearing had anything go wrond the wheel would have came off. I'd say brakes judging by the photos. And the plane digging in the dirt cause the front to buckle. If plane are different than cars no clue with the bearings.

But, no more than an airplane wheel turns it would be hard to believe bearings. Those brakes have to go through a lot.

Remember. I have only been in one airplane and was not sober at the time.

Hi, I am an ex RAF aeronautical engineer of 25 years, judging by the tyre marks th wheel locked and unlocked, locked unlocked etc, which would indicate binding brakes, I am guessing the wheel/tyre in question did not shred as there does not appear to be rim marks on the concrete, the forward inertia overcame the locked wheel to turn again but as your speed reduced the wheel would lock again. As for the undercarriage they are designed for loads on landing, with an oleo to absorb most of the shock, the force placed on it when you hit the grass would snap it with ease, or at least bend the u/c and its mounting, so check these to. Glad to hear you are ok, certainly brown underpants time! All the best

From the looks of these pictures and the last bunch of pictures you posted, I would say that the right-hand brake system locked up. This would cause the plane to veer to the right on contact with the ground and would explain why the right hand gear dug in a lot more than the left gear. It would also explain why the front gear assembly collapsed, as the pilot would be steering hard to compensate for the pull. I am guessing the brakes are drum-brakes rather than disc-brakes. Drum-brakes are more prone to seize or jam than disc assemblies.

I doubt it had anything to do with bearing collapse as this would have resulted in a fluctuation of the skid-mark pattern, as the wheel would have had a greater field of movement.

Looks like if the right brake stopped working, but if everything was alright, then something made the brake to stop working RIGTH AFTER you landed, turbulence or unidentified object in the runway maybe?

At least you both are alright

I think a few more questions have to be answered before we can get down to solving this, one of the great airline mysteries of all time!
1. Did you eat the chicken or the fish?
2. Was there a guitar playing nun on the plane?
3. Do you like movies about gladiators?
4 Was there any snakes on the plane?
5. Were all the board members of a multi billion $ company bar 1 on the plane?
6. Was it a prisoner transfer flight?,any pen guns found or did someone disappear though wheel well?
7. Was anyone seen parachuting out with a large bag in the minutes before?
8. Were any mysterious cigar shaped objects seen?

Also we need the transcript from the black boxes. ( or have the mysteriously disappeared).
Shirley you can't be serious!

Yes I was serious and don't call me SHIRLEY LOL LOL.

A big THANK YOU to all the dogfight community for the calls, emails, pms and posts. It was a overwhelming show of friendship.

We SINCERLY appreciate you all

Also the airport manager call, his opinion is the same as yours, it is believe that the breaking system was malfunctioning. How we don't know yet.

My wife said, as she was standing where the fuel tanker was, that it appeared that the plane had a mind of its own after looking at the track the plane took. I firmly believe the good lord reached out and stopped the plane. It just wasn't my time yet.

Hey ZUPERMAN can you put a tanker at the base, just wondering, it would be funny, maybe with DAVY CROCKETT FLYING SCHOOL WRITTEN ON THE SIDE. LOL

would be fun to shoot the fuel tanker too davey

I ain't no expert or nothing. But I think something happened when you pressed the "Brake" button on the screen while going too fast

Thanks for your comments guys, they were both informative and funny. Lol lol

This accident is under investigation by the NTSB, we are working on the following theory, please read carefully if you all believe it's a workable theory or am I barking up the wrong tree. I value your opinions.

1. After the nose hit the runway the nose gear failed, the nose gear was slightly turned to the right and the tire was either not turning or not turning much. Because the nose tire was not turning properly that meant the friction was keeping it cocked slightly to the right and would not allow the rudder to straighten the nose gear ( the nose gear did not collapse until it slid way across the grass)

2. Because the nose tire was not turning properly it allowed a forward momentum that lowered the nose some and raised the tail which in turned raised both landing gears so they were barely touching the runway. This is why the plane wasn't slowing much.

3. Because the plane was turning slightly to the right meant the right wing was slightly lower than the left wing causing the right gear to make contact with the runway therefore causing the right skid mark.

4. Before the plane left the runway it slowed enough to allow the left wing to lower and allow the gear to make contact with the runway which allowed the left skidmart..

Then it hit the grass and the rest is history.

Well want do you all think.

I wanted to bump this to the front on request from someone. Thanks