Zup i pay for this game. As do many we pay for premium servers we pay not to wait we pay so you can work on the game. So why is it half the time i cant get into my closet server because its jammed full of non paying people most of witch lag around most of the time im forced to go to servers like bori and artori and i live in the east coast of u.s.a. i am.here to support you and the game and other paying people for the ability to fly and most of the time i cant why? I understand that some cant pay but there are to many that can but dont they just ride on our dime. The weekends are the wost time and now that is the only time i get to fly. I realize my two bucks isn't much to you but i pay to play not for other to fly. There are many paying people getting tired of this. You can get mad at me for this if you like. But im just getting sick of not being able to fly in the srever i want

And before anyone goes and writes some kind of nasty remarks here just rember zup said it himself we have a choice we either pay or he has to close the game. And those that pay are supposed to get a better quality game. Those that dont will suffer wait times and lag

Darraxx, sorry but I got a bit lost with the English.

You can't log into your closer server? what error do you get?

Also, apple/android/windows phone?

Zup all.weekend long and most of the week the east cost server is in the red. Its packed full most of the time and i see very few people that actually pay for the game. So why do i pay to.play if thier not and clogging the servers.

But you should be allowed to play even if servers are very full. You have priority over all non-paying players when you try to connect.

As for many players, yes, during weekends is when most people connect, paying and none paying subscribers. The only option is to not allow free players to play at all, which I don't know if it's the right option.
I can also move paying players to a separate server but you may find yourself playing with the same people over and over at certain hours.

Zup. I can get in.my server but it pags so much its not worth trying. I know many cant pay. But many just dont pay. And in the end its the subscriber that suffers. I love the game and wont stop paying. And a server for just paying guys isn't going to work. And not letting everyone play isn't right. But you need to do something

I know there are a lot more non subscribers, but why not one server for them and the rest for subscribers?

may be zup could give priority of play to subscribers

I think the question is how to give "priority" amd "non-priority." It sounds like once a player, paying or not, is in a game, the server treats them data-wise all the same. That makes sense. So maybe set a lower threshold on how many players to allow per server (so no one lags and no one has to play with a lagging player), but then also give payers priority in getting in? So if the servers are at threshold, just cut off any non-subscribers trying to get into a fresh game, thus capping the load. Would that work?
Manfred

I can try that, that if it is above certain amount of players in a server, just display that they need to be a subscriber to play right now or wait until it empties.

But it won't be fast because for that I need to release an update and go through all platforms... and apple... you know apple...

I understand some people are annoyed about not getting in to a server or lag or any number of things.. and I bet that's mostly due to your internet provider.

Up until recently I wasn't a subscriber. Not because I am cheap, but because I can't get internet to my place. But I decided to subscribe anyway..

But making the game for subscribers only is NOT the way to get the subscriber numbers to grow.. this game is like a drug for many.. let them play long enough and they're hooked! lol! But also, making it tough for the non-subscribers to play will just make them drop out in droves.. I bet the waiting time alone has accounted for a loss in non-paying players.. (but only zuperman could tell us for sure.) But anything else added to what they currently endure to be able to play will have a negative effect overall for the growth of the game in my opinion.. but that is just my opinion.

Maybe go back to the way it was when i first started. You get so.much free time to play then you must pay to play .no pay no play.

I Agree with ZebraUp, Rather Calm & Rational. This isn't about "What can we do TO the non-subscribers?" (as to punish them, for what oblivious reason I would not know ?) but rather, "What can we do FOR the paid-subscriber ?" (in order to enhance THEIR playing experience ?)

& Always remember.. if u wanna know what's the difference between paying & non paying ? U can always not pay to find out ? or pay ? trust me.. there is already a sufficient amount of difference with the deadly 6mins & about 40secs worth of time of delay cause by "Waiting" already ? & if u lose connect it's al'bad cya! Hard enough trying to Maintain a good playing average with the way ZUPerman already has it SET UP!?(For the non paying).

So let us focus on what can Zup do for the paid subscribers, rather then what can Zup do to the non paid ? Because the non paid subscribers has their own problems to work out.. lke that 6 1/2 min wait.. lose connect & that becomes another six which can easily turn into a 12 minute wait? (13) .

It can be easy @ times to forget that the range for this audience consist of all ages beginning from 13years of age to....
(Sum might be to young to afford these privileges by their selfs)

Im.not trying to.punish non paying folk. But stop.and think what would be worse the paying guys and girls stop.paying because flying sucks having to fly with non paying people because they get a lower connection and lag out. That will only means no money game shuts down. Ive seen to many leave already not because they had to pay but because there are so.many that cant or wont pay. Sorry im.just being honest here.

No se debe privar de jugar a nadie.pero si dar una eclusividad a los que pagan.zuper su idea es muy buena,servidor que esta muy lleno y quieres entrar?solo entran los que ayudan a este gran juego.primero los que pagan y despues los demas es de Logica no?.otra idwa puede ser lo que expone TR.ZUPER pruebalo aunque te lleve tiempo seguro que vale la pena
Todo lo que sea mejorar las cosas a los que pagamos sera bueno para el juego,eso pienso

Should not be deprived of playing nadie.pero if eclusividad give those who pagan.zuper your idea is very good, server is busy and want to join? Only enter those helping this great juego.primero those who pay and after others Logica is not? .Another idea may be exposing TR.ZUPER try it even if it takes time for sure worth
Anything better things to which we pay will be good for the game, so I think

If you read my post carefully, the suggestion is not any kind of dissing on non-subscribers, and yes it tries to do something for subscribers. It merely states that IF there are ever too many players to avoid SERVER lag, then the subscribers would be the priority game-enterers. (And if the total number of players at the moment doesn't overwhelm a server, then everyone gets in. With a timer on non-subscribers still.)

No, it's not like a club. It's like a preferential entry that kicks in when the restaurant reaches capacity. Anyone else wanting a table will be in a line, and only then will payers get in over non-payers. And anyone exiting will be back in line.

This was never meant as a battle of haves vs have-nots. Z put a price on the game so there would be money for new servers and programming time. Each of us gets to decide whether what he is delivering and what he might deliver in the future is worth the price. For some, yes; for some, no. There is an associated service level for paying vs non-paying, which granted Z is still figuring out the mix. And we all (pay and non) are trying to help him define that. No one is against anyone. Heck, I could be a non-pay tomorrow if I choose (ignore my lack of icon; we're still working on that). Once it's defined, everyone still gets to choose. If defined well, some non-pays may say Ok now it's worth it, and others will say Nope.

There does need to be a service level difference. We can still have a reasonable discussion about it. If we don't, we'll leave Z with no useful input and he'll just pick a way. I think we'd rather discuss it reasonably, and I mean pay and non-pay both. Let's avoid abrasiveness and blame, and get on with reasoned suggestions.

Manfred

Zup,

I think the key point Darrax is making is that it is hard to get into the East Coast server at peak times.

Many players thought the subscription model would give them access to log in without connection error and play with less lag. Not only is lag still a problem, but it is increasingly difficult to log into the East Coast server nights and weekends, and that is those closest server for many players given population concentrations.

I'm paying my internet provider for a seperate 100/5Mbps wifi hub just fror this game, and I had them test it for quality. Then I log into a game and see free players from the other side of the world, playing on low speed connections, which gives them the ability to be bulletproof.

It seems to me that even though there are 2 USA servers showing on the map no matter which one I pick I spawn into the same mission.. leading me to believe that there is only 1 server for the USA.. which I guess would have TONS of pilots playing it if so.

ZebraUp wrote: It seems to me that even though there are 2 USA servers showing on the map no matter which one I pick I spawn into the same mission.. leading me to believe that there is only 1 server for the USA.. which I guess would have TONS of pilots playing it if so.

I asked while in game.... I chose Vimy as it is closest and the other pilots that answered had chose Messines.... There is no doubt that they are tied together somehow....

MAYBE NON SUBSCRIBERS SHOULD POOP AND PEE IN A DIFFERENT TOILET ALSO....LOL

MEAN FOKKER wrote: MAYBE NON SUBSCRIBERS SHOULD POOP AND PEE IN A DIFFERENT TOILET ALSO....LOL

Davy says, yes I agree, also rumor has it that non subscribers have to sit while the rest of us can stand lol.

Doggy Dix wrote: I find it hard to pay the fee and still hear in other threads that I as a Win 8.1 aviator has advantages with my equipment. It is considered as noncompassionate because you do not pay, at the same time, my equipment is not right so then I am an improper aviator again.

Why should I pay when I nonetheless not fill out the regulations alleged to be in force by the mob. ?

Stop with all the BS about win8.1. players, so then maybe even more of us feel welcome in the community and draws our fair share ...

DD Check the following link for resolving subscription payment related issues:

dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/5-dogfi...ption-related#252628

Doggy Dix wrote: I find it hard to pay the fee and still hear in other threads that I as a Win 8.1 aviator has advantages with my equipment. It is considered as noncompassionate because you do not pay, at the same time, my equipment is not right so then I am an improper aviator again.

Why should I pay when I nonetheless not fill out the regulations alleged to be in force by the mob. ?

Stop with all the BS about win8.1. players, so then maybe even more of us feel welcome in the community and draws our fair share ...

Hey Doggy, (or any other pc players)

Don't worry about the complaints of advantages. There are always trade-offs. Whether they are true or not, things are always changing and a certain edge now may reverse later. Just enjoy and have fun. Understand that some will cry while others will fly. Any disparity between devices is no fault of the players.

Don't let the complaints get you down, that's what bullets are for.

Doggy Dix wrote: I find it hard to pay the fee and still hear in other threads that I as a Win 8.1 aviator has advantages with my equipment. It is considered as noncompassionate because you do not pay, at the same time, my equipment is not right so then I am an improper aviator again.

Why should I pay when I nonetheless not fill out the regulations alleged to be in force by the mob. ?

Stop with all the BS about win8.1. players, so then maybe even more of us feel welcome in the community and draws our fair share ...

Your equipment works fine, it's Apple and android tilt devices that need a way to adjust the span of motion and bring it in from the curve it's on now, in order to have a hard stop at 100% turn at reasonable tilt. Otherwise it seems to equal a non-tilt palyer you have to hold it over your head and behind your back to get 100% on controls, which is hard on the neck.

Caveat - I still Haven't proven ths with my win 8 tilt device, but it sounds reasonable putting together the clues from what others have said and from tilt vs. non-tilt experiments.

I would like to suggest to Zup to do 2 differents ways for access the game:

1) Subscribers could play with subscribers and with non subscribers,
2) Non subscribers could play ONLY with Non subscribers.

Those who support the game deserves to get some differential treatment.

I love the game don't get me wrong!!But after researching many google play store games see how many are monthly charged.One FLAT FEE!!!!!!If its 20 dollars so be it but charging every month is a bit much in my opinion.I know paying was needed to improve game but now were to the point of segregation between payers and non payers!!I myself have not subscribed and honestly am on the fence of wheather i will or not!!No 1.99 is not much but if i play this game for the next 3 years at that it will end up kinda pricey.My point here is im not the only one who feels this way cause there a ton of people who haven't paid and by segreating payers and non payers even more is gonna hurt the game MORE overall.When there is one flat fee like all other million games in google play store ill pay.Till then Ill be the segregated black sheep lol....maybe zuperman can consider one.flat fee in the future??

I don't think this has to do with being paying subscriber or not its just a server issue that your having and really don't appreciate the down talk that's being given to the people who arnt paying subscribers by the pilots who are doing so we are pilots also and most of us way before paying was ever an option like it is now and some of us would love to be paying customers but might not be able to for instance I have been having a problem with my windows account and credit card for a long time and its still under investigation everyone has there own story so please think before bad mouthing the people who don't pay we are pilots to thanks

-TBH|killingnazis wrote: I don't think this has to do with being paying subscriber or not its just a server issue that your having and really don't appreciate the down talk that's being given to the people who arnt paying subscribers by the pilots who are doing so we are pilots also and most of us way before paying was ever an option like it is now and some of us would love to be paying customers but might not be able to for instance I have been having a problem with my windows account and credit card for a long time and its still under investigation everyone has there own story so please think before bad mouthing the people who don't pay we are pilots to thanks

Well said !!I agree with ya us non payers get to play with all the lag next we will be sitting in the back of the bus using our own toliets and water fountains lol!!This is a good example of life honestly theres ones who can afford and one who can't.In the end we all love the game!!So who knows whats next.The forum should have nothing to do with payers and non payers but ive noticed it does to payers recieve a little gold crown whats the point in that??Do you recieve priority post and less lag on the forum too???Ohhh no its just to onow who has payed and who has not!!!Why???

I'm not sure I understand why darraxx's complaint was taken as such a drastic and dramatic problem. Did anyone ask if this issue is really an huge issue for everyone, not just darraxx?

I've never had much trouble getting into a game. The occasional kick, or "server error" comes up, but that is hardly anything to cry home about. If I get kicked out of a game, I log back on. If I get a "server error," I close the app and try again. I think this far-less-than-frequent inconvenience is just that - an inconvenience.

I'm not suggesting there is no room for improvement, but I am suggesting the issue at hand certainly does not demand a spoiled-bratty/us-vs-them tone, which is prevalent in this thread. In fact, I can't think of a single issue that demands it.