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[LB] Pedrinho wrote: When Zup announced the W8 version of this game, I jumped from my sopha, thinking: "Finally, I will be able to play on a big screen, using joysticks, like I used to play with other flight-sim-games! Now Davy Crocket, Max, Desert Rose and other &*$%@$@# will pay for all the spanking sessions they applied at little me!!!"

Well, I tell you what: playing with the keyboard is a NO-NO. Zebra and others are ARTISTS, they are GENIOUSES, and they DESERVE the medals they have. Then, I tried Joystick. I bought TWO JOYSTICKS, yes, you read it right, TWO, and none of them worked. If my wife knows about the money I spent with the W8 license and with the two joysticks, she would leave me, for sure.

Then, I got back to my old Galaxy S2 (with its tiny 4 inches screen).

Then, the game evolved to a point that the S2 cant handle it - at least, not on an acceptable level.

Then, I bought a 7" tablet. A good one. A Nexus 7 2013 (2nd edition). A beast of a tablet. Better in specs than iPad mini. Gorgeous screen.

My gameplay improved a bit, but not a big deal.

Meanwhile, I played the game on several borrowed devices (my brother's tablet, my wife's phone, and many others), just to see if there is any difference between models, screen sizes, etc.

The point is: each device is unique. No gameplay is the same on two different devices. At a first glance, it seems the same, but when you play on a device other than the one you got used to play on, you see that it makes a BIG difference in the end.

All this just to say:

1 - Fair or unfair, this game isnt the same on two different devices. So, forget about "fair play". Take it or leave it, but stop WHINNING.

2 - Considering the HUGE number of different operational systems, different PCs, different phones, different tablets and different refrigerators on which this game runs, no one can blame Zup for any imbalance. Its simply IMPOSSIBLE to put all these different versions running at the same pace, with the same trajectories, the same colors, etc. So, again, take it or leave it... but please, please, please, STOP WHINNING.

Do some of you guys want Zup to make a game suited for YOU? Well, he is a professional developer; enough amount of coins provided, surely he will be glad to taylor a game for you.

But please, please, PLEASE, PLEASE... P-L-E-A-S-E... Stop dusting this forum with complains about how bad this game is. Not good for you? Do what the Master Of Mockers did: go play another game.

Guess there's a fine line between questioning and whining...

The only definite advantage windows eight players have against the rest of us, is the fact that in many cases their screens are double the size of most tablets, or in my case there 8 to 12 times the size of my screen… I've never liked the idea of players outside of mobile platforms, I've always thought it should be all mobile devices, Or at the very least have a separate server for the windows eight players, especially during the time when they were all ghosts

I've been trying to test some things tonight on the laptop but can't stay logged in long enough to catch a partner to try anything. one thing I note, on settings tab the play in the tilt control for the laptop has me holding it facing away from me at one end to holding it over my head to range the full turn. again, this is simple programming; give me the option to shorten the span for my device, like I could with a joystick.

Hopefully the lag will bleed off with the crowd and I can try some things tonight.

I best not state any more results of experiments with the game, even in carefully articulated language that avoids the waambulance call, else I shall be labeled as a whinnying whiner.

My, this forum has degenerated in civility.

It sure has Mannford, I miss the good old days

[*M] bware wrote: I want to try it for myself, but I don't want to do the FB thing. I guess my point is that I still wonder how Zeb catches up with me when we are both in a full turn. Obviously there is something I am missing here, but if a W8 player can turn tighter that advantage will always win. They just spin and corkscrew while I try to get 4 bullets to hit, if I can't take em down before they get past me my perceived advantage is gone.
I mean no hard feelings here, and I don't believe I should be calling a waambulance.

zeb and i both use windows 8 with arrow keys and he can blast me out of the sky within 3 turns....hes just magic....

pedriño yo juego donde quiero no tengo por que buscar otro juego buscalo tú.y sí joaquin podia habilitar 2 servidores para jugar con moviles o tabletas,si se puede hacer claro esta.ademas decimos lo que es cierto y solo pedimos igualdad.por que no vuscais vosotros un juego de consola y no dogfight llevo mas de 3 años y ni tú ni nadie me va a decir lo que tengo o debo hacer seguire presionando lo que haga falta te guste o no,eso a mi me da igual no veo lo veo justo y como yo muchos.por que no comprais vosotros entre todos un servidor exclusivo eh!!.Pero si tu mismo has visto la diferencia...deberias callarte,claro como tu juegas en todas las plataformas listo que heres un listo.

Pedriño I play where I would have no reason to look for another game I buscalo tú.y joaquin itself could have 2 servers to play with mobile or tablets, if you can make clear esta.ademas say what is true and not only ask igualdad.por vuscais you a console game and not dogfight took more than three years and neither you nor anyone else will tell me what I have or I do seguire pressing whatever it takes like it or not, that to me I do not care I do not see what I see just as I muchos.por not You buy you among all eh !! dedicated server. But if you yourself have seen the difference ... you should shut up, clear as you play on all platforms that heres a ready-ready.

Like.i.said i.see many using tabs.and pc s and most of them.fly like everyone else. why is it only a select few have this strange ability to do what no one else can why is it that i get shot as soon as they fly by me. If it is a 100% turn with key board or joy stick then either the tilt control should have the same or they should move like the rest of us. In a looping head on i can hit most but some select players even when i lead them there is no hitting them tow of these said pilots seem to be able to see my fire and tun out of the way when almost every pilot i know will fly into them in other words they shouldn't be able to snap their plane so fast they can just fly around fire sometimes i think they are just that much out of sync

It is impossible for an accelerometer to achieve both 100% aileron and 100% elevate at the same time.if you tilt 90° left/right 100% you can not achieve 100% elevate.It is mechanically impossible.where as with a PC,down arrow pressed is a constant 100% no matter what you do to left or right. Either shorten the end points inputs to reach 100% or maybe the game should go in the direction of separate servers like other games have.Still have 6 servers but 4 servers showing on screen.Keep 1 cheap server for all free players on all platforms to auto join.For subscribers,out of the 4 servers shown, 2 servers on screen so we can play against all platforms if we wish,one of them being the free server and one dedicated server and 2 dedicated servers for your specific platform(PC or other).

To all:

Sorry if I over-reacted, and used harsh words. I was (and still am) in a bad mood. I wont change what I wrote. I don't regret from it. But I agree I exagerated. Nothing personal against A or B.

Manfred and Ka5ey, please dont take me wrong. Its just the old Ped coming thru the "new" one. I am putting "him" back on its cave right now. Luv you, you know it.

Baron Rojo, if my English was better, and if I had the time right now, and if I had the PATIENCE needed to do it, I would try to rephrase it to make you understand my thoughts. But my thoughts are confusing, my language is bad, and I am from Brazil - different ways of thinking and different ways of expressing thoughts. So, take it as you want. I dont care.

After all, its definetely time to go back to my abscence...

I will try to think 10 times before hitting the "submit" button next time.

No worries Ped. I respect all you guys for your opinion, and it sounds like many of us differ on where feedback ends and whining begins. I've been in people's faces for whining on other occasions, but I thought this one just needed airing because there seem to be some objective observations but everything is being dismissed because other areas of PC use are difficult to use. Like I said, there are tactics to work around it, so it really doesn't cause a net special advantage IMO. But I just don't like it when what seems like true observations are dismissed outright.

If a PC user wants to get in a game with me and do some turn experiments (without any special moves, just a straight full throttle elevator turn), just ask me in-game. I've already done this with someone, but maybe it's worth sampling some more.

Manfred

Ha ha Ped. No worries at all my friend. I was laughing at the Masters of Mockers thing. Always good to see you around.

I think Wig once told me I was a major voice for Windows users.. & he was right.. I fell in LOVE with this game.. it's the only online multi-player game that I play besides an occasional hand of poker.. and so I speak up for us smaller contingent of Windows users. But I wouldn't if we had a clear cut advantage in all or most missions in this game over other platforms. I'd actually say we did and try to make everything as even as possible. It's NO FUN winning a rigged game!

In almost every bombing mission I am in I want to call the waaaambulance! I totally SUCK at head on shooting because of using arrow keys.. you can't adjust your crosshairs in small enough increments to put them on the enemy planes.. and now that the planes are 50% bigger it's even worse for me.. I am getting killed at even longer ranges.. yet I still play at least a couple of those missions every day.. but I don't write threads saying how it's not fair that those with tilt devices can aim way steadier & get on target more quickly & precisely than I can..

As for dogfighting the only thing I can say is what zuperman says.. the game physics don't allow any plane to act different from another exact plane despite what platform you're using to control it with. THE GAME controls and limits the physical movement your plane can make.. not your device!

I Love this game and I am sorry if some people feel as if zuperman should have never let Windows devices into the game because then I wouldn't have met & liked so many of you. Sorry if you're ticked over players that you feel have an unfair advantage over you.. that's the way I could feel every time I run up against Davy & Hulk & T-built & sooooo many other pilots in this game.. but I don't. I just get killed tons and suck it up and joke how they're decimating my kdr again! lol!

See you in the skies of DOGFIGHT! * and watch your 6.. 'cause that's where I'll likely be!

Just realised that I voted for a shorter range distance!

Can I whine about that maybe soon tablet players don't even have the head-on advantage over Windows players any more?

Probably not.....

Well.........at least let me whine about my bad english too. KKKKK (isn't that the brazillian equivalent of LOL?). HAHA!

Love you Ped!

KA5EY wrote: Ha ha Ped. No worries at all my friend. I was laughing at the Masters of Mockers thing. Always good to see you around.

Lol

Thanks Ka5ey. And, for the record, said "Master", not "Masters". Just one... You know who.

ZebraUp wrote: I think Wig once told me I was a major voice for Windows users.. & he was right.. I fell in LOVE with this game.. it's the only online multi-player game that I play besides an occasional hand of poker.. and so I speak up for us smaller contingent of Windows users. But I wouldn't if we had a clear cut advantage in all or most missions in this game over other platforms. I'd actually say we did and try to make everything as even as possible. It's NO FUN winning a rigged game!

In almost every bombing mission I am in I want to call the waaaambulance! I totally SUCK at head on shooting because of using arrow keys.. you can't adjust your crosshairs in small enough increments to put them on the enemy planes.. and now that the planes are 50% bigger it's even worse for me.. I am getting killed at even longer ranges.. yet I still play at least a couple of those missions every day.. but I don't write threads saying how it's not fair that those with tilt devices can aim way steadier & get on target more quickly & precisely than I can..

As for dogfighting the only thing I can say is what zuperman says.. the game physics don't allow any plane to act different from another exact plane despite what platform you're using to control it with. THE GAME controls and limits the physical movement your plane can make.. not your device!

I Love this game and I am sorry if some people feel as if zuperman should have never let Windows devices into the game because then I wouldn't have met & liked so many of you. Sorry if you're ticked over players that you feel have an unfair advantage over you.. that's the way I could feel every time I run up against Davy & Hulk & T-built & sooooo many other pilots in this game.. but I don't. I just get killed tons and suck it up and joke how they're decimating my kdr again! lol!

See you in the skies of DOGFIGHT! * and watch your 6.. 'cause that's where I'll likely be!

So.let me.get this right you suck at head on fights so your one of the guys that want the ballistics to change for the bullets so you cant be shot down from.a.distance so you can get in close and turn fight where the advantage is all yours. Is that what am to understand correctly.

I think you're asking if I have an ulterior motive for wanting shorter range darraxx? No.

Am I voting for shorter range weapons as opposed to the laser beam accurate automatic rail-gun systems our WWI fighters now carry? Heck Yeah! I am all for shortening the range.. But that would STILL would be the case even if I was rocking long-range shooting like Davy & Hulk!! and sucked at dogfighting too! Weapons more appropriate for a Star Destroyer being on a WWI fighter plane is ludicrous.. please let's remove 'Ludicrous'!

ZebraUp wrote: I think Wig once told me I was a major voice for Windows users.. & he was right.. I fell in LOVE with this game.. it's the only online multi-player game that I play besides an occasional hand of poker.. and so I speak up for us smaller contingent of Windows users. But I wouldn't if we had a clear cut advantage in all or most missions in this game over other platforms. I'd actually say we did and try to make everything as even as possible. It's NO FUN winning a rigged game!

In almost every bombing mission I am in I want to call the waaaambulance! I totally SUCK at head on shooting because of using arrow keys.. you can't adjust your crosshairs in small enough increments to put them on the enemy planes.. and now that the planes are 50% bigger it's even worse for me.. I am getting killed at even longer ranges.. yet I still play at least a couple of those missions every day.. but I don't write threads saying how it's not fair that those with tilt devices can aim way steadier & get on target more quickly & precisely than I can..

As for dogfighting the only thing I can say is what zuperman says.. the game physics don't allow any plane to act different from another exact plane despite what platform you're using to control it with. THE GAME controls and limits the physical movement your plane can make.. not your device!

I Love this game and I am sorry if some people feel as if zuperman should have never let Windows devices into the game because then I wouldn't have met & liked so many of you. Sorry if you're ticked over players that you feel have an unfair advantage over you.. that's the way I could feel every time I run up against Davy & Hulk & T-built & sooooo many other pilots in this game.. but I don't. I just get killed tons and suck it up and joke how they're decimating my kdr again! lol!

See you in the skies of DOGFIGHT! * and watch your 6.. 'cause that's where I'll likely be!

Do the wiggle Zeb!
Left-Right, Left-Right wiggling your way down to the "sweet spot". That's what i do on arrow keys... I seem to have a 50% against any player (other than a select few) head on using keys, but 95%+ in turnfighting =D (I just turn which ever way before you do and wait for you to slip up, because im always going in endless circles).
I must also add, if I make a slightest mistake im in your oven too!

Umm.you do.realize its a game. You guys want the rounds to drop after so much distance you want shorter range so.you can get in closer seems to.me all you want is the advantage of a turn fight. Take a long hard think about others we dont have a 100% turn when we tilt our phones we have one and.only one advantage just like the guys that turn on a dime. So now you want every advantage. Thats just bs. Leave it the way it is. Its bad enough theres.droppers.out there just give them.some.more to use. I could see it if this was just a pure dog fight game but hey its not. Zup.made.different missions for.different styles use them what do you want every damn mission a dog fight. Dont you think thats.a bit much. I here fly like you want but all i here is the cry of the waambulance leave the damn bullets alone

I'm a pretty fair hand at either long range and turnfighting, I will always vote for realism (bullet drop, guns overheating, no magic parahcute or scoped rifle to defend a chutist, no magic tank awaiting the fall).

I would like to see every platform on even terms. Trying to play with the win 8 laptop last night was a challenge because of oversteer, and if anyone is using the on screen joystick, god bless you. My win 8 setup doesn't have an allowance or option to choose keys or an extenal joystick, possibly because I use the account and opened it on tilt devices, or maybe it "sees" the tilt feature of the touch screen laptop. Again, this should be fixable by the developer (select sytem, prepare to calibrate).

I'll use the joystick setup familiar to many as an example; all the older flying games have a setup for individual joysticks from different makers that have different ranges of motion and buttons, but when configured each is then no better than any other, i.e. hard right is 100% hard right, and a slow steer points the nose at a target. A tilt device should be able to be calibrated within a range of movement to go from 100 left - 0 -100 right, just as a PC should be able to nudge the nose without turning down the sensitivity. Every joystick I have ever installed has a similar driver. This one says "tilt to a comfortable position" and establishes a center axis x and y value. I note how far I had to tilt the laptop to get the entire "U" range of motion. How hard is it to allow the user to control where the stop/start is for the "U" and therefore the 100 stop line for x and y axis?

In the end I think most pilots would vote for as even of a field as can be created, and for more realism than less, although the current poll makes me scratch my head.

Last night was so laggy I couldn't stay in to test anything, I'll probably try tommorow as Household 6 has seen enough flying for a couple days.

Manfred, you are THE MAN.
The day you leave this forum, I will stop reading it.

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Longrifle wrote: I'm a pretty fair hand at either long range and turnfighting, I will always vote for realism (bullet drop, guns overheating, no magic parahcute or scoped rifle to defend a chutist, no magic tank awaiting the fall).

I would like to see every platform on even terms. Trying to play with the win 8 laptop last night was a challenge because of oversteer, and if anyone is using the on screen joystick, god bless you. My win 8 setup doesn't have an allowance or option to choose keys or an extenal joystick, possibly because I use the account and opened it on tilt devices, or maybe it "sees" the tilt feature of the touch screen laptop. Again, this should be fixable by the developer (select sytem, prepare to calibrate).

I'll use the joystick setup familiar to many as an example; all the older flying games have a setup for individual joysticks from different makers that have different ranges of motion and buttons, but when configured each is then no better than any other, i.e. hard right is 100% hard right, and a slow steer points the nose at a target. A tilt device should be able to be calibrated within a range of movement to go from 100 left - 0 -100 right, just as a PC should be able to nudge the nose without turning down the sensitivity. Every joystick I have ever installed has a similar driver. This one says "tilt to a comfortable position" and establishes a center axis x and y value. I note how far I had to tilt the laptop to get the entire "U" range of motion. How hard is it to allow the user to control where the stop/start is for the "U" and therefore the 100 stop line for x and y axis?

In the end I think most pilots would vote for as even of a field as can be created, and for more realism than less, although the current poll makes me scratch my head.

Last night was so laggy I couldn't stay in to test anything, I'll probably try tommorow as Household 6 has seen enough flying for a couple days.

Thank you long. If all platforms had even turning and so on i would love to see more realistic bullets and such. But the fact remains all platforms are not even. No matter what zup seems to think or say. And it all comes down to the guys with the turning ability (I.e without breaking thier necks or destroying the house )want more for them and screw everyone else.

I have to agree with Zebra up I also use arrow buttons and get shot down more than I shoot down cry about some thing that matters....

ZebraUp wrote: OMG.. seriously?? Again? zuperman himself has and often plays on a laptop & has told me along with everyone else that there is NO WINDOWS TURNING ADVANTAGE!

I get shot down by everyone nearly as often as I shoot them down.. WE DO NOT TURN QUICKER THAN YOU! WE DON'T HAVE A TIGHTER TURNING RADIUS! WE CANNOT ROLL ANY FASTER THAN YOU CAN! OUR PLANES ARE NOT FASTER!
*I am speaking for the majority of Windows users.. but not all of them of course.

The only advantage we MIGHT have is depending upon YOUR tilt sensitivity!

And yeah, in ALL other aspects of the game, flying with arrow keys SUCKS!

SOME Windows users have gotten good with X-Box 360 for PC controllers.. (not me unfortunately) and I hear some joysticks are working now (but I don't know which ones yet) but on the whole, flying with arrow keys is HARD! You don't hear me complaining about how in EVERY long-range head to head shooting mission I am getting decimated because YOU GUYS have an advantage over ME! So please stop crying about it or else call a waaaaaambulance

Do you All know that this would have died a long time ago if windows 8 players wouldnt scream from every roof top that they have no advantage? Quick story time for everyone. At one time I thought myself to be a decent turn fighter. More than once I went up agianSt blue max now I'm not saying I could beat him but I felt like I could give almost as good as I got. Not long after windows players came in to the mix. With plane a few levels under mine.( if I remember right zebra won the digfight contest put on by whip with a plane that wasn't top of the line) All of a sudden I wasn't much of a fighter anymore. Yeah I bitched and moaned maybe even posted a few times. Point is i changed how I flew. so maybe we should all go fly instead of posting about it.

Oh and one more thing for you windows players. Remember the update you all got a while back the messed up your turning? The one that had you getting shot down pretty much none stop. That how the rest of us feel every time we turn fight against you. That's something you need to keep in mind when calling for a whambulance.

Jasonmc wrote: Do you All know that this would have died a long time ago if windows 8 players wouldnt scream from every roof top that they have no advantage? Quick story time for everyone. At one time I thought myself to be a decent turn fighter. More than once I went up agianSt blue max now I'm not saying I could beat him but I felt like I could give almost as good as I got. Not long after windows players came in to the mix. With plane a few levels under mine.( if I remember right zebra won the digfight contest put on by whip with a plane that wasn't top of the line) All of a sudden I wasn't much of a fighter anymore. Yeah I bitched and moaned maybe even posted a few times. Point is i changed how I flew. so maybe we should all go fly instead of posting about it.

Oh and one more thing for you windows players. Remember the update you all got a while back the messed up your turning? The one that had you getting shot down pretty much none stop. That how the rest of us feel every time we turn fight against you. That's something you need to keep in mind when calling for a whambulance.

Actually Jasonmc I had just a few days earlier finally got my D.V. fully upgraded prior to the start of Whips contest.. and I DID NOT win the dogfight portion.. in fact I lost to tKestrel.. I just won the points and was overall tournament winner.

And if you look at all these threads bemoaning the same thing you don't see any Windows players saying we can't compete with top players in the head to head thru the valley of death kill fest.. we just get killed and keep on playing. ALL the threads were started by Windows haterz. I'm pretty good.. but there are lots of pilots NOT on Windows that can clean my clock nearly every time! Ziza for one.. Hulk for another.. and the list goes on and on..

And yeah, I DEF remember that glitch thing.. I couldn't out turn planes 3 tiers below mine lol! It sucked!! And if you truly feel that way about it then I do feel sorry for you.. really. But I go up against non-windows pilots that can outfly me.. so that def adds to the confusion. zuperman has said the game's physics control the plane's abilities.. not the device.. no plane can out-perform another plane if all things there are equal (upgrades, carrying/not carrying a bomb, etc) so I don't know what else to say.

Yo solo digo que se puede mejorar,yo merefiero
que con un movil el ratio de giro e inclinacio es mayor,el piloto de Pc por ejemplo cierra antes el giro y la inclinacion al 100×100.lo que dice logrif si se pudiese hacer seria genial.es decir el aleron girar al maximo la inclinacion cerrarla al maximo...ect ect.si con actualizaciones de programacio se pudiese conseguir seria genial para todos.
Yo he estado en peleas de Perro y he derribado pilotos con otras plataformas,pero he notado en la.persecucion y sin lag,que los giros e inclinacio de esos pilotos es infinitamente mayor que los demas pilotos,y no imagino nada me lo han dicho ellos mismos.hay amigos es donde hay mucha diferencia en la maniobrabilidad.lo bueno seria que tambien se pudiesen hacer en otras plataformas,nada mas digo eso.esque lo he vivido no me invento nada solo quiero que no haya cada vez mayor diferencia nada mas.

I'm just saying that you can improve, I mean
with a cell phone the rate of turn and INCLINATION is greater, the pilot Pc eg closed before the turn and tilt 100 × 100.lo says logrif if you could do serious genial.es say the maximum aileron turn the inclination close to the maximum ... ect ect.si with updates Programació one could get would be great for everyone.
I have been fighting dog and I downed pilots with other platforms, but I noticed in la.persecucion without lag, which turns and INCLINATION of those drivers is infinitely greater than the other drivers, and can not imagine anything I have said they mismos.hay friends is where much difference in serious good maniobrabilidad.lo which is also on other platforms could do nothing more eso.esque say I've lived I did not invent anything I just wanna be no widening gap any more .