It all seems to be in your head fate, all of it so fresh you would think it occurred the other day. I know I moved forward from misunderstood conversations that are several months old and allowed the water to continue to flow. It seems that the mention of old conversation must still cause you some grief.


Discussions always have differing opinions and misunderstanding to which I thought both parties were able to learn from, guess not in your case.

Can I chime in here? The mock squad war that the Misfits had against the Dragons was an epic battle. Neither side won or lost. One of the Dragons lost connection and we ended it. I could not say that we would have won that game, it was the most even game I think I have ever been a part of. So it didn't really help. Maybe if we apply ourselves, one day we will get our $hit together.

Have you guys ever seen those pictures or drawings where two different people can read two completely different meanings? Like a vase in the center can also look like two swans on the sides.

Unless I'm missing some history, I *think* this is purely a misinterpretation [sorry guys] of someone's somewhat awkward [sorry Fate] paragraph. I don't know why I am so invested in this; but I just squirm when I see a clear misunderstanding. So please bear with me, and walk with me:

Fate wrote:
"BTW, you seem to get many of the complaints about not being able to fly with friends from squads that use third party communications. That's how they know that they can't find someone else or a particular game."

For those of you reading it like he's criticizing your use of Zello, please look at it word by word, with the following that might help. "You" is Zup - he's addressing Zup. Fate is saying,"Hey Zup, the people complaining to you actually know what they are talking about, because many are using comm apps! They are not missing each other in the game because they aren't logged in at the same time, and they know this because they are talking live. Please don't blow off this request!"

It's a vase, not two swans! Or is it two swans?

Manfred

Wow. I'm always impressed with your ability to be a jerk bz. As I remember I was trying to console you through your grief when you thought I was attacking you. Lol.

Hulk, I could be wrong but you guys had taken out 5 or six hangars and they either had none or just 2 of yours in that game before the lost connection. No?

Oh well. Another constructive thread hijacked.

Manfred wrote: Have you guys ever seen those pictures or drawings where two different people can read two completely different meanings? Like a vase in the center can also look like two swans on the sides.

Unless I'm missing some history, I *think* this is purely a misinterpretation [sorry guys] of someone's somewhat awkward [sorry Fate] paragraph. I don't know why I am so invested in this; but I just squirm when I see a clear misunderstanding. So please bear with me, and walk with me:

Fate wrote:
"BTW, you seem to get many of the complaints about not being able to fly with friends from squads that use third party communications. That's how they know that they can't find someone else or a particular game."

For those of you reading it like he's criticizing your use of Zello, please look at it word by word, with the following that might help. "You" is Zup - he's addressing Zup. Fate is saying,"Hey Zup, the people complaining to you actually know what they are talking about, because many are using comm apps! They are not missing each other in the game because they aren't logged in at the same time, and they know this because they are talking live. Please don't blow off this request!"

It's a vase, not two swans! Or is it two swans?

Manfred

Thanks Manny. Well explained. It baffles me how anyone could have taken offense to it. But then it also baffled me how "disillusioned" could be taken as an insult.

In closing I would just like to say that if in the future anyone takes offense to what I say about zello, dropping, sneaking, changing names etc... they are probably looking for offense where none exists. Ie: It's all in their heads.

I'm the jerk while you decide to take personal conversation and make them public. Your ability to open the can of worms and then claim it's potatoes appears to have intent as a tactic to draw any exchange.

Then throw out the I console you remark while the entire event should have remained in the past and between those involved instead of thrown out to a crowd like the Maury Povich of df.

Sigh*

you all are funny
...lol

funny as in haha not hehe..lol

Back to the true business of this thread.

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: Woohoo!

It's coming! Update 4.4.80!

Dogfight 4.4.80 to be soon
Zup said:

- There will be a new team and global chat in the game. You can press an icon next to the text box and switch from one or the other. By default it is always on global chat (everybody can read).

This will be a real game changer! New tactics on the way!

The reason the comment seemed offensive is because it really has nothing to do with the topic. So why was it included?

The game was about even when it ended. I would like to think we were making a push to win, but that could be said by either side.

[*M] bware wrote: The reason the comment seemed offensive is because it really has nothing to do with the topic. So why was it included?

Sigh*

Okay. So it was a bit of a non-sequitur. That's what I meant with BTW. It occurd to me as I was composing the rest of the note to Zup probably because I was thinking about communication.

So, in light of the my adding a quasi-related post script, tell me please bware: what was offensive about my note? How could it have been deemed challenging to anyone who does not hold some sort of grudge?



Thanks Hulk. I didn't remember it being that close of a game of course I was listening in on Zello, in fact my whole house was.

I would also like to see our ping value in ms (like 70ms or 100ms) in corner of screen in very small fonts. So that we get the idea how well we are connected to the servers. I don't think its hard to push this in 4.4.80 update.

Regarding new update:
As per zuperman on wc yesterday we will be having a guided missile and turbo speed booster.

He will be posting video about how to take flag from other base. It seems zuperman has made the game more interesting.

We are already addicted to game and with these and and other surprises which he will unfold later this game is going to new level.

Can't wait any longer for the update.

McFate, you know this has been a touchy subject with some people. Why do you keep bringing it up? Before you left the last time you posted on the [M]isfits thread about how people love to poke us just to get a reaction, and that we should just blow it off. So is that what you want? Did I fail your test?

It's no test. Please, anyone. Am I displaying some sort of cognitive deficit disorder here?

What was offensive about my first post on this thread?
Come on guys, I can feel the buzz on the ace hole from here. Put your heads together and choose a spokesman to explain it to me, or let it die.

I'm not on Zello. I am just speaking my own thoughts here. You using a disrespectful tone is offensive. Interjecting "pokes" into a thread is offensive. Not owning up to it is disrespectful. Writing things like "*sigh" is offensive. Starting off sentences with "tell me please bware" is condescending and offensive.

To all Misfits that feel you have the right to free speech, please report to the ace hole for your daily dose of Kool-aid. That is all..

Btw. No buzz at the ace hole, sorry to disappoint..

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: It's no test. Please, anyone. Am I displaying some sort of cognitive deficit disorder here?

What was offensive about my first post on this thread?
Come on guys, I can feel the buzz on the ace hole from here. Put your heads together and choose a spokesman to explain it to me, or let it die.

The pure irony in this (and your persistent logical fallacy) is that you are continuously trying to turn this when it is in fact you yourself that keeps it alive from the beginning.

I am not sure what your end goal is when you drag this subject out. Instead of asking us to let it die, how about you quit pulling the subject out of whatever wound it is you carry. Fate, I really don't care one way or the other what your particular grievances are or why, but the fact is you know the squad gets tired of the segway into this topic (usually by you) and yet you act stunned that we respond. You figure it out. In the meantime, I would recommend we all let this die. No longer a productive or meaningful conversation.

Popcorn large extra butter please.

Still no cogent answer?

Look over it. Check the history of posts regarding anything Zello and tell me where I made an offense. Really. Sorry, but you guys don't get to bully anyone into avoiding all talk of 3rd party com apps.

Is there any explanation you can offer as to why any of you feel so harshly about my posts regarding the issue (well anyway, before bz lost it on this thread.) I only went into the whole McFate vs. The Misfit Squadron back story after I was accused of... of what exactly.? I never mentioned 3rd party com apps unless someone else brought it up. I never mentioned the Misfits until a Misfit challenged the 3rd party app issue. I never mentioned zello until after someone else put it out there. Come on weatherman. You have the time. Produce the goods or back off.

No more "just saying". No it is not reasonable for you to pull passive aggressive bs on me just because I'm talking about the subject.

If you have a real reasoned response I will listen. Why can't you explain your position? Calling me out for keeping this going is bs. I've only been responding.

I really would like to avoid a problem between members of the NLR and another squadron. I'm not sure exactly what the context of this situation/argument is, but from what I'm seeing, it looks like McFate has it out for the Misfits/vice-versa.

In the interest of maintaining positive squadron relations, I would ask all members of the NLR to no longer chime in this argument. Normally, debates would be a perfectly acceptable event, but like I said, this is starting to look like a squad vs squad skirmish, which never ends well and can leave lasting grudges between both parties.

Misfits; if any members of the NLR have upset/offended your squadron members, I apologize on their behalf. I am not, however, taking your side in the argument, because that would be foolish (like I said, I don't have proper knowledge and context in this situation), and it would be disloyal to the NLR. I am simply handing out an olive branch in the best interests of both our squads. If there are any issues, please PM me.

Sometimes, we have to put aside our pride and turn the other cheek, no matter how right you may be/wrong they may be.

Octavia

[*M] bware wrote: I'm not on Zello. I am just speaking my own thoughts here. You using a disrespectful tone is offensive. Interjecting "pokes" into a thread is offensive. Not owning up to it is disrespectful. Writing things like "*sigh" is offensive. Starting off sentences with "tell me please bware" is condescending and offensive.

Really?

Sigh* is exactly what I did irl when I saw another derailing post to this thread. A curt request to explain your position is not unreasonable under the circumstances. If there is a real explanation I really would like to hear it. I really considered the misfits to be friends. I have never had any trouble with you, bware. I know the Kool aid thing is a joke with you guys but there really is some sort of group dysfunction going on here. What is the actual problem?

On one hand people have said in effect that I should expect the negative responses. I am genuinely asking: why?

(I genuinely believe that there is some irrational thinking going on over there.)

[NLR] Octavia wrote: I really would like to avoid a problem between members of the NLR and another squadron. I'm not sure exactly what the context of this situation/argument is, but from what I'm seeing, it looks like McFate has it out for the Misfits/vice-versa.

In the interest of maintaining positive squadron relations, I would ask all members of the NLR to no longer chime in this argument. Normally, debates would be a perfectly acceptable event, but like I said, this is starting to look like a squad vs squad skirmish, which never ends well and can leave lasting grudges between both parties.

Sometimes, we have to put aside our pride and turn the other cheek, no matter how right you may be/wrong they may be.

Octavia

Thanks Octavia. I certainly don't want the NLR to get involved in this. I'm about done with it but I'm holding out just a touch of hope that someone can explain why it is reasonable to post the things that I have posted. There seems to be a grudge being held against me and no one has been come forth with a reasoned explaination. I seriously don't know how to share any meaningful information about this subject without offending them and I do not feel they have a justifiable reason to ask me to entirely avoid the issue. They seem to take it personally even when I don't mention them or the app they use. I really seems as if they are trying to bully me. Feel free to PM me with any thoughts on the matter. (I'm speaking to Octavia here.)

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: Still no cogent answer?

Look over it. Check the history of posts regarding anything Zell and tell me where I made an offense. Really. Sorry, but you guys don't get to bully anyone into avoiding all talk of 3rd party com apps.

Is there any explanation you can offer as to why any of you feel so harshly about my posts regarding the issue (well anyway, before bz lost it on this thread.) I only went into the whole McFate vs. The Misfit Squadron back story after I was accused of... of what exactly.? I never mentioned 3rd party com apps unless someone else brought it up. I never mentioned the Misfits until a Misfit challenged the 3rd party app issue. I never mentioned zello until after someone else put it out there. Come on weatherman. You have the time. Produce the goods or back off.

No more "just saying". No it is not reasonable for you to pull passive aggressive bs on me just because I'm talking about the subject.

If you have a real reasoned response I will listen. Why can't you explain your position? Calling me out for keeping this going is bs. I've only been responding.

The offense is made in the fact that you have segwayed into this conversation on topics where it was unnecessary (like this one here, goods produced).

Not asking you to avoid the conversation, just asking that you let this particular battle go. There is no need to continue to drag this particular scuffle out because your ego won't let it die. The conundrum I have discovered is not that some have been passive aggressive, but that you continue to be confrontational after I just came in and offered the olive branch. Fate, you know me enough to know that I'm not an olive branch guy. So this is done out of a mutual chance to let a worthless discussion over your past wounds and our over-inflated (unlike the Patriots footballs) egos.

One last time, I offer us all a chance to let this one die (at least here in the public eye). PMs, emails, or even Zello, but no reason for this here. You want a cogent answer. I'll personally give you one: The cogent answer is that your particular discussion points (whether intentional or not) continue to poke at some even after it has been expressed that it is viewed that way. Why do some feel that way? Not my business, but after being told in previous instances that the way you approach this particular topic isn't entirely constructive, I thought the all mighty McFate would have dug deep and pondered a new approach, but you haven't. It begins to look like a personal vendetta or a toxic grudge.

Again, choice is now yours. I have given you something that resembles a "cogent answer". You may not care for it, but it is the truth. I ask that we leave it. Of course you will want the last words, but my hope is that those last words would be an agreement to take this discussion elsewhere.

Okay. Really calm and slow here. Read the first few posts of this thread and tell me who/what/when/where and why Zello or the Misfits were brought into this conversation.

You will have to get to the 5th post made here by bzerk. The segue was his. The inferred offense was his. I have not brought up Zello or the Misfits use of it unless it has been in answer to a Misfits' irrational accusations.

No weatherman. You did not provide any goods. You only continued with your group's irrational stance. You are now trying to shame me into letting you bully me. Stop.

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: Okay. Really calm and slow here. Read the first few posts of this thread and tell me who/what/when/where and why Zello or the Misfits were brought into this conversation.

You will have to get to the 5th post made here by bzerk. The segue was his. The inferred offense was his. I have not brought up Zello or the Misfits use of it unless it has been in answer to a Misfits' irrational accusations.

No weatherman. You did not provide any goods. You only continued with your group's irrational stance. You are now trying to shame me into letting you bully me. Stop.

Really calmly and slowly went back and read. Your insinuations on this thread were intentional. Now you can say, "That's based on your interpretation." Here's the reality, those insinuations draw out a response. That seemed to be your goal here. The hope seemed to be to draw out a response and then throw up your hands and cry innocence and foul. Come on Fate. You call the argument irrational and I must agree, but so is writing a post in hoping to goad a response. That's some tGoG type of shit.

The stance may be irrational in your eyes, but a stance is subjective. Right, wrong, or indifferent, you know that is true. So my question now is, do you get to decide what is rational or irrational? Are you the sole interpreter of a correct or incorrect stance? Yet we are the ones sippin' Kool-Aid. All for one and one for all.

Weatherman,

Your response is full of fallacies.

Fallacy 1: "Your insinuations.... were intentional" (you're telling me what I'm thinking?)

Fallacy 2: "the hope seemed to be..." (based on what?)

Fallacy 3: "...writing a post to goad a response. (I'm asking for an explanation of the response.)

Fallacy 4: You're asking me if I "...get to decide what is rational..." (I am asking for a rational explanation and am receiving none .)

Fallacy 5: Bzerk is the one who determined that my post was an incorrect stance. I have asked him to back his words with reason and he, and everyone else has failed to provide an explanation, logical or otherwise.


You are smart enough for critical thinking to be applied here yet you are not embracing it. Try again?

Never thought I'd be posting this here. When work collides with play. Anyhoo, let's use 'em right, if we are going to use 'em at all.

Also, I'd like to share some very old words we all could stand to hear again: Before speaking, ask yourself - Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it kind? When I remember these words, and I often do, I speak far less.