All of you have heard that Zup is putting a price on the game and a lot of people are saying there done playing. Why ? Its $24.00 a year that's cheap! I could reach in my cup holder and pull that out in change. I think its idiotic if you leave the game because you wont pay $24.00 a year.. its actually less $23.88 even better right ? But obviously zup didn't have money to do updates and fix problems before so now he needs money and charging $1.99 is reasonable and the game will continue to improve.

Now I thought about this and I think lag will finally be fixed! With the amount of you "saying" your leaving (almost like your protesting)lol but with people gone there wont be as many people in servers so there wont be bad lag LOL!

But I don't see this game dying.. No mater how many trolls, bad reviews written by banned players, or lag people will still play this game because there's thousands of pilots on this game or more that seem to have a better time than others and will refer there friends to this game. I know i will.

Also Zup can people still play without paying ? A trial version would be good to get people hooked on the game ?

Good post sir, VON HULK has an excellent post on the misfit thread also.

Look folks, things change, nothing is ever status quo. Things evolve. $2 a month is very reasonable. Especially for a game of this caliper, sure it's problematical with lag but so what. It's still fun to play and there are a lot of great people here. Hopefully the lag will be fixed in the future, I absolutely love this game and the people. I can't believe the amount of friends I've met here.

I sincerely hope that the ones who are quitting will change their mind as some of those are great people.

ZUPERMAN, thank you sir for such a good game and I hope you strive to make it better.

|111th|Becken wrote: All of you have heard that Zup is putting a price on the game and a lot of people are saying there done playing. Why ? Its $24.00 a year that's cheap! I could reach in my cup holder and pull that out in change. I think its idiotic if you leave the game because you wont pay $24.00 a year.. its actually less $23.88 even better right ? But obviously zup didn't have money to do updates and fix problems before so now he needs money and charging $1.99 is reasonable and the game will continue to improve.

Now I thought about this and I think lag will finally be fixed! With the amount of you "saying" your leaving (almost like your protesting)lol but with people gone there wont be as many people in servers so there wont be bad lag LOL!

But I don't see this game dying.. No mater how many trolls, bad reviews written by banned players, or lag people will still play this game because there's thousands of pilots on this game or more that seem to have a better time than others and will refer there friends to this game. I know i will.

Also Zup can people still play without paying ? A trial version would be good to get people hooked on the game ?

Maybe the payment should start a week after Christmas, just a thought from personal experience... most kids\adults get something for Christmas now a days, like money right?
Well, since usually i have to wait a little bit for the banks to open so i can get my cash, then i can spend the extra money i received! Meanwhile it is not affecting my normal yearly cash flow for the other things i am on a budget for... just a economic suggestion thinking the most effective way to get money O_o

yeah, I agree it's cheap for most of us. Those that don't pay can still get in for now, but they will be limited to the number of games they can join, seems to be a 6 minute timer that won't let you rejoin a game.

Go on everyone sign up for less than a cup of coffee a month.

I *think* people can still play without paying the $1.99/mo, but they will have to wait 7 minutes (or something like that) between games.

I guess I don't read the forum thoroughly enough to see the thread on the new release. I updated the game (Android phone) because it forced me to update when I tried to play. In the new update, if I quit out of a game (I can't stand capture carrier), the server icons then had count-down timers on them. I assume that it's possible to wait until the timers are zero and then you can pick a server and play, but I never got that far, and clicked on one of the timers and found the option to PAY MA MONEY (again) (which I have no problem with). It took a few minutes, but after I paid my money, it appears that I can continue playing, quit, do whatever, and I don't have to wait.

Zup knows better than anyone whether this will actually reduce the frequency of free players enough and improve server lagginess. At best, a free player who previously played game after game after game will now have to wait in between quits... but I'm not sure if Zup's implementation makes them wait in between *games*. If it does make them wait, this might work.

However, playing a few games just now, there's still significant lag. This should have limited Android players immediately. So the continued lag could be explained by: (a) lots of these players opted to pay the monthly fee and most of them are still playing a ton, (b) Android players weren't a significant enough part of the player population and we need this to get to Apple before seeing lag improve, (c) there are just too many darned people playing versus the server capability, and even making free players wait 7 minutes isn't helping, or (d) maybe the players are just being made to wait in between Quit-outs, and they are still allowed to play consecutive games.

Manfred

With you on this one Becken.

It's not the LAGGING, but the NAGGING that annoys me.


(Not the glitching, but the bitching?)

.......or did somebody already made this comment?

Manfred wrote: I *think* people can still play without paying the $1.99/mo, but they will have to wait 7 minutes (or something like that) between games.

I guess I don't read the forum thoroughly enough to see the thread on the new release. I updated the game (Android phone) because it forced me to update when I tried to play. In the new update, if I quit out of a game (I can't stand capture carrier), the server icons then had count-down timers on them. I assume that it's possible to wait until the timers are zero and then you can pick a server and play, but I never got that far, and clicked on one of the timers and found the option to PAY MA MONEY (again) (which I have no problem with). It took a few minutes, but after I paid my money, it appears that I can continue playing, quit, do whatever, and I don't have to wait.

Zup knows better than anyone whether this will actually reduce the frequency of free players enough and improve server lagginess. At best, a free player who previously played game after game after game will now have to wait in between quits... but I'm not sure if Zup's implementation makes them wait in between *games*. If it does make them wait, this might work.

However, playing a few games just now, there's still significant lag. This should have limited Android players immediately. So the continued lag could be explained by: (a) lots of these players opted to pay the monthly fee and most of them are still playing a ton, (b) Android players weren't a significant enough part of the player population and we need this to get to Apple before seeing lag improve, (c) there are just too many darned people playing versus the server capability, and even making free players wait 7 minutes isn't helping, or (d) maybe the players are just being made to wait in between Quit-outs, and they are still allowed to play consecutive games.

Manfred

At the moment, only Android players are paying for the servers. I am on Windows 8.1, so I haven't got the update yet. If all players on all platforms had got the update at the same time, then it would definitely reduce the lag. As it stands, you have premium players and non updated players on all of the servers, so lag is still a problem.

I asked zup when the updates for other platforms would be available. He said this is out of his hands, as the updates for all platforms had already been sent out, it depends on how long the different stores take to put them up.

The more players who pay, the more money is available to rent more server time, so therefore the lag will be greatly reduced, over time. People can still play for free once all of the updates are available, but they will have to wait for the free games every 5 or 6 minutes. These games will be on slower, low cost servers, so they will get more lag. The premium (paid for) players will soon benefit from faster servers and will not have to wait between games, but before they can be properly implemented, zup has to see how much revenue is coming in to pay for them. The more cash we pay, the more servers can be put in place, therefore a major reduction in lag is seen by the premium players.

As is usually the way of the world, only time will tell whether the revenue will cover the cost of faster servers and more of them.

I have also seen many people whinging about having to pay to play. Excuse my French, but I hope they can pull their heads out of their arses and realise that the game they know and love costs money to remain online. When all is said and done, I couldn't care less if zup makes millions from this game from all of us paying to play, as long as the game and the community survive! If zup does make millions and retires on his own remote island somewhere near the equator, fair play to zup! I would gladly pay more than double what he is currently asking to keep playing and I still have the option to pay nothing!

Kamikaze King wrote:

Manfred wrote: I *think* people can still play without paying the $1.99/mo, but they will have to wait 7 minutes (or something like that) between games.

I guess I don't read the forum thoroughly enough to see the thread on the new release. I updated the game (Android phone) because it forced me to update when I tried to play. In the new update, if I quit out of a game (I can't stand capture carrier), the server icons then had count-down timers on them. I assume that it's possible to wait until the timers are zero and then you can pick a server and play, but I never got that far, and clicked on one of the timers and found the option to PAY MA MONEY (again) (which I have no problem with). It took a few minutes, but after I paid my money, it appears that I can continue playing, quit, do whatever, and I don't have to wait.

Zup knows better than anyone whether this will actually reduce the frequency of free players enough and improve server lagginess. At best, a free player who previously played game after game after game will now have to wait in between quits... but I'm not sure if Zup's implementation makes them wait in between *games*. If it does make them wait, this might work.

However, playing a few games just now, there's still significant lag. This should have limited Android players immediately. So the continued lag could be explained by: (a) lots of these players opted to pay the monthly fee and most of them are still playing a ton, (b) Android players weren't a significant enough part of the player population and we need this to get to Apple before seeing lag improve, (c) there are just too many darned people playing versus the server capability, and even making free players wait 7 minutes isn't helping, or (d) maybe the players are just being made to wait in between Quit-outs, and they are still allowed to play consecutive games.

Manfred

At the moment, only Android players are paying for the servers. I am on Windows 8.1, so I haven't got the update yet. If all players on all platforms had got the update at the same time, then it would definitely reduce the lag. As it stands, you have premium players and non updated players on all of the servers, so lag is still a problem.

I asked zup when the updates for other platforms would be available. He said this is out of his hands, as the updates for all platforms had already been sent out, it depends on how long the different stores take to put them up.

The more players who pay, the more money is available to rent more server time, so therefore the lag will be greatly reduced, over time. People can still play for free once all of the updates are available, but they will have to wait for the free games every 5 or 6 minutes. These games will be on slower, low cost servers, so they will get more lag. The premium (paid for) players will soon benefit from faster servers and will not have to wait between games, but before they can be properly implemented, zup has to see how much revenue is coming in to pay for them. The more cash we pay, the more servers can be put in place, therefore a major reduction in lag is seen by the premium players.

As is usually the way of the world, only time will tell whether the revenue will cover the cost of faster servers and more of them.

I have also seen many people whinging about having to pay to play. Excuse my French, but I hope they can pull their heads out of their arses and realise that the game they know and love costs money to remain online. When all is said and done, I couldn't care less if zup makes millions from this game from all of us paying to play, as long as the game and the community survive! If zup does make millions and retires on his own remote island somewhere near the equator, fair play to zup! I would gladly pay more than double what he is currently asking to keep playing and I still have the option to pay nothing!

Well Said KK!!!

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the update is already out and enforced on Amazon Kindle, Google Android and Windows Phone.
It should be less than a week away for Apple devices and as soon as I sort out something with Microsoft on Windows 8 (hopefully before 48 hours)

So about 70% of all pilots already have the latest version.

70% is a good number, any idea how many have signed up.