Look dude.

Ive been nice and not started anything with anyone because I've had no reason to, but u are pushing ur stupid grudge with ghost just a little to far. Getting offended with little post made on the rejects thread.... come on really. And texting me like 10 minutes after I made my reply to grey, which need I remind u had no affiliation with anyone. I just said I can bet I know who it is. u dug ur own grave on that one by texting me out of the blue with ur comments "clearing the air". seems to me u just want to keep the drama going. Why cant u just either be nice or don't bother being on our thread. We welcome anyone and everyone on our thread, but if that is going to lead you to get mad over something so stupid as for grey to ask if you visit, at least say something every now and again or leave a thank u, instead of being nosy and reading post every time our thread has a new post, just to see what we have to say so u can find a reason to not like it. If u don't like what we post, then guess what, no one is forcing u to keep coming to our thread. And to be honest, U really have no reason to be on our thread. Not that you cant visit when u wish, but u don't like us, so what do u have to gain from looking at what we have to say? I mean I am not going to go and just read post made on the GIs thread unless i have something to say to one of their pilots or am directed to it from an actual GI. Now just to look at logic here, we have over 2000 views, yet only 180 some post. That lets us know that people (not mentioning names, even though u have already threw urself in the pit by what u have said to me and grey over our post) are looking at what we have to say, but are not wanting to be seen... Sounds suspicious right? And even a little sneaky in my opinion.
Now if u don't like us, why don't u just leave us alone. Simple as that. Grey, Jim, I and the rest of the rejects are not looking for pity arguments to get involved in, we are here to play the game and enjoy ourselves.
Take this post however u wish to, I really don't care. I learned who my real "Brothers" are by how I have been treated over the past 4 to 5 months. Oh and by the way... U need to lay off of Grey. Whatever happened in the misfits is done and over with so get over it. U and bzerk both need to stop with that nonsense. Calling him a coward over what happened is ridiculous, U only know what bzerk has told u. Not what really happened, so it would be best if u left that one well enough alone. One more thing, telling grey that im not his pilot, that is true, but guess what, I look at it as hes my leader, so yea I am his pilot, just like u and the misfits are bzerks pilots, the moms are wigs pilots, GIs are gunnerz pilots and so on. Just keep that in mind.

This is between me and u, I don't expect to see any misfits replying here, this is just so there is nothing to hide, no he said, she said. I WILL NOT reply to any pms, or any outsider who thinks they have a right to post, Just as I will request to the rejects that they don't post here.

I take offense to this. M.O.Ms are NOT wig's pilots. Unless he promises us cake. Then, he could sell us for a nickel and we'd be happy.

tKestrel wrote: Look dude.

Ive been nice and not started anything with anyone because I've had no reason to, but u are pushing ur stupid grudge with ghost just a little to far. Getting offended with little post made on the rejects thread.... come on really. And texting me like 10 minutes after I made my reply to grey, which need I remind u had no affiliation with anyone. I just said I can bet I know who it is. u dug ur own grave on that one by texting me out of the blue with ur comments "clearing the air". seems to me u just want to keep the drama going. Why cant u just either be nice or don't bother being on our thread. We welcome anyone and everyone on our thread, but if that is going to lead you to get mad over something so stupid as for grey to ask if you visit, at least say something every now and again or leave a thank u, instead of being nosy and reading post every time our thread has a new post, just to see what we have to say so u can find a reason to not like it. If u don't like what we post, then guess what, no one is forcing u to keep coming to our thread. And to be honest, U really have no reason to be on our thread. Not that you cant visit when u wish, but u don't like us, so what do u have to gain from looking at what we have to say? I mean I am not going to go and just read post made on the GIs thread unless i have something to say to one of their pilots or am directed to it from an actual GI. Now just to look at logic here, we have over 2000 views, yet only 180 some post. That lets us know that people (not mentioning names, even though u have already threw urself in the pit by what u have said to me and grey over our post) are looking at what we have to say, but are not wanting to be seen... Sounds suspicious right? And even a little sneaky in my opinion.
Now if u don't like us, why don't u just leave us alone. Simple as that. Grey, Jim, I and the rest of the rejects are not looking for pity arguments to get involved in, we are here to play the game and enjoy ourselves.
Take this post however u wish to, I really don't care. I learned who my real "Brothers" are by how I have been treated over the past 4 to 5 months. Oh and by the way... U need to lay off of Grey. Whatever happened in the misfits is done and over with so get over it. U and bzerk both need to stop with that nonsense. Calling him a coward over what happened is ridiculous, U only know what bzerk has told u. Not what really happened, so it would be best if u left that one well enough alone. One more thing, telling grey that im not his pilot, that is true, but guess what, I look at it as hes my leader, so yea I am his pilot, just like u and the misfits are bzerks pilots, the moms are wigs pilots, GIs are gunnerz pilots and so on. Just keep that in mind.

This is between me and u, I don't expect to see any misfits replying here, this is just so there is nothing to hide, no he said, she said. I WILL NOT reply to any pms, or any outsider who thinks they have a right to post, Just as I will request to the rejects that they don't post here.

If u got a problem with something about da g.I. thread u can say it to my face!!!

I attempt to be cordial and at least keep this off the Forum and yet here is a Reject (The "No Drama" sqaud) posting and calling me out.

Let's start here: I personally have never had anything against you Kes. In fact, I have backed you more strongly than nearly anyone and yet here we are. You all want it dropped and yet when I am willing to do so, you drag it on out. You say you aren't looking for petty arguments and yet here you are.

You say I only know what I am told. What the hell do you know that hasn't been told to you? I really don't give a good damn about your issues with Bz. They aren't my problem. I won't, however, see the squad cut down and goaded over bullshit. You don't want it to continue? Then how about you let it die. I have never made mention to it until I felt so pressed to due to the constant pokes. You keep poking, I will keep responding. No high road here. You must remember, I am a condescending asshole. You can blame whoever you want for whatever you want. Facts don't back what it is you say. I was fully involved in it that night and was completely aware of everything that happened. Were you? I don't recall you being around when I was woke up at 2:30 that morning to the infamous GreyGhost's final departure. In fact, you had already left the squad. I am not bzerk's pilot. Only a true manipulator could convince anyone of such. Bzerk has zero rights to me. That is the most idiotic line of thinking I have ever seen.

Crucify me if you must, but I have zero regrets or sympathies about what I have said and done. I have acted as I have felt necessary. Whether you agree or not is none of my concern. Mac commented and although Mac and I don't agree on almost anything (great meme by the way on the friedchicken thread), Mac understands that at the very least I am self aware and can plant my feet in the ground where I stand. I was not swayed to my current opinion by any one thing, but by a series of continuous events that kept repeating. Not one single person has convinced me to stand where I do now. My opinions of Ghost have been made from my own understanding of the events that I have seen, not heard.

Now you want to come at me? Come ready. At the end of the day, even if I come out smelling like a port-a-potty, I will be able to say I have always shot straight with you. Whether you believe that or not won't be of any matter to me. I care about the guys in this squad that are still here and stuck it out. So is this really what you want Kes? You want to call me out to a war of words? Let us begin. Consider this serve returned.

Ok, so ur trying to stop drama hu? Or not be involved it it, correct? Then wjy do u keep pming grey, and bugging me over txt. It seems, even though there's no where in any post that I so quotedly poked at u, if u feel so insecure that u think every post we make is about u then dam u have some problems to work out. Well, I guess a misfit like urself would never understand how to keep drama at a low. Now if u wanna dis squads, then let's go, but u need to get some sense knocked into u so maybe u can read my post clearly were I didnt make any negative comment to ur squad at all. So leave squads out of this, its just u and me, in public for all to see and witness. No one can lie or twist eachothers words when everyone can see it.

I may have not been there when grey left, but have u been there when the squad was younger. BZ always wanted grey out of the picture so he could have the squad to himself, I seen that myself. No manipulation required, Unlike u. BZ has brainwashed u to make u see what he sees. Hell, Ur even talking just like him now. U could even pass for his twin. Bz has u and everyone believing hes some god blessed angel while greys a low life pos. Y dont u step outside the box, put friendships, leadeeships, squadships, and all that aside and take a look at whats been happening over the years between those 2. Bz is the reason grey even left the squad so many times. He got tired of bzs crap. I was in ur same position when I was a misfit, bz had me believing that he was a good guy, until bz showed his true colors at 2 am when he called me just to tell me not to return to the misfits and not to communicate with yall. He did me a favor that night. I was able to see who really cared, who was there when I needed a brother. I can name 3, ghost, von, and daraxx where the only people to even pm me and check up on me from time to time. Grey and von have always called me a brother, no matter what squad I choose to be in. Because a brotherhood is more than a squad tag. Something so many people seem to forget.

So I guess yea I do want to do this. Because im tired of saying nothing and biting my tongue while u continue to mouth off at me and grey.

O and btw, this isnt calling u out, this was to get ur attention. If I wanted to call u out, I could have made the title a little more slanderous. I did this, (repeating myself again...) so not only my ass but urs as well will be covered. 2 guys talking out this issue, now if u want to get childish and bring squad bashing into it, thats ur call of cards, not mine. I choose to remain mature about this. So, whatever u call this, a war of words, a calloout, a dick move, or anything else u can think of, go ahead and call it that, but ive explained my reason for making this public 3 times, no need to repeat myself... again.

[G.I.] MOZER wrote: If u got a problem with something about da g.I. thread u can say it to my face!!!

This guy........ boy, if so so much as use a squad as an example all hell breaks loose. Dude read the whole dam post before acting like a badass.

This literally is the most dense post I have ever read. That's saying something since I have read thousands of posts in my near year here. Congratulations on that award.

Where to begin here? I had quit pming Grey and will happily post a screenshot to prove my last comment was that it was over. As a matter of fact, he pm'd me today over that little text I sent you (which I can post a screenshot of as well) after I had let it go last night. He rekindled it. I was never insecure, I just felt it unnecessary to see an idiot keep posting stupid memes in desperate hope to get a response. This is probably not the one he envisioned and if it is then he is truly one selfish bastard.

A Misfit like me understands a few things. One of them is that keeping drama at a low would only be necessary if that were everyone else's hopes (see this thread as a prime example). Since that is obviously not the case, (again see this thread) we responds as we feel necessary. I did not make any negative comments about your squad, just simply restated an ideal posted by your squad and the hypocrisy that is now being shown.

Now let you and I begin. I will tell you this and if you don't believe or like it, not my problem. I am not nor ever have been a Bzerk disciple. That man has said things that have tempted me to cuss him up one side and down the other. Has directly confronted me on an issue where he was wrong and tore me a new one, only to later apologize like a real man and admit his wrongs. Brainwashed? No I'm not brainwashed. I have had discussions with Bz about T leading the squad. Weird that I would be brainwashed by a guy and then openly discuss him not being the squad leader.

I really don't care about anything that happened between Ghost and Bz. To me, it is all heresay from both sides. I can only comment to what I have seen. What I saw was when I first came in, Foust was 1st in command. Then Ghost magically reappears about the time I get my [M] and takes back command. Then that is proceeded by two more departures and returns (one of those medical). I have talked at length to many different squad members (oddly one of the topics Bzerk and I have rarely touched on) about why this occurred and there seemed to be a concensus and none of it had to do with Bz. I don't believe Bz is an angel and would honestly lean toward thinking of him as an asshole, but at least he defined and kept his identity. At least I could respect that. I can post all the messages that I sent while you were still in and after you left the squad. I supported you and continued to call you brother for a reason. I was as real with you then as I am being right now.

Again I have not "mouthed off" as you so distinguishedly put it. I defended against what I perceived as bullshit aimed at this squad.

On another note, you say you will not respond to anyone else but me and yet you negate your own comments because you can't stay out of your own damn way. Keep focus. I am the personification of an asshole not Mozer.

Simmer down, guys. Kes, you've been around since before I left, and so has GG. You guys both have my respect, and I'm sure there's cause for an argument here, but keep it civil. You know better than this.

Weather, you're new to me, but considering that you've got more thank yous than I do - and I used to run this place - you seem to be respected. Like I said to the Misfits, chill out a little.

Whatever the beef is, talk it through rationally. Kes, you were around a couple years ago when Sky got banned for flaming on the [e] thread, right? Nobody wants anything like that to happen. (Except the MOMs. They want this place to themselves. )

Kes,weatherman. You have both made it clear that you have different view points. Leave it at that, let this thread disapear. Most of us come here to get away from petty BS. Can't you two post some pictures of half (or three quarters) naked girls. One more thing, if I see either one of you in the sky and you are red, I will shoot you. That is all.

[G.I.] MOZER wrote:

tKestrel wrote: Look dude.

Ive been nice and not started anything with anyone because I've had no reason to, but u are pushing ur stupid grudge with ghost just a little to far. Getting offended with little post made on the rejects thread.... come on really. And texting me like 10 minutes after I made my reply to grey, which need I remind u had no affiliation with anyone. I just said I can bet I know who it is. u dug ur own grave on that one by texting me out of the blue with ur comments "clearing the air". seems to me u just want to keep the drama going. Why cant u just either be nice or don't bother being on our thread. We welcome anyone and everyone on our thread, but if that is going to lead you to get mad over something so stupid as for grey to ask if you visit, at least say something every now and again or leave a thank u, instead of being nosy and reading post every time our thread has a new post, just to see what we have to say so u can find a reason to not like it. If u don't like what we post, then guess what, no one is forcing u to keep coming to our thread. And to be honest, U really have no reason to be on our thread. Not that you cant visit when u wish, but u don't like us, so what do u have to gain from looking at what we have to say? I mean I am not going to go and just read post made on the GIs thread unless i have something to say to one of their pilots or am directed to it from an actual GI. Now just to look at logic here, we have over 2000 views, yet only 180 some post. That lets us know that people (not mentioning names, even though u have already threw urself in the pit by what u have said to me and grey over our post) are looking at what we have to say, but are not wanting to be seen... Sounds suspicious right? And even a little sneaky in my opinion.
Now if u don't like us, why don't u just leave us alone. Simple as that. Grey, Jim, I and the rest of the rejects are not looking for pity arguments to get involved in, we are here to play the game and enjoy ourselves.
Take this post however u wish to, I really don't care. I learned who my real "Brothers" are by how I have been treated over the past 4 to 5 months. Oh and by the way... U need to lay off of Grey. Whatever happened in the misfits is done and over with so get over it. U and bzerk both need to stop with that nonsense. Calling him a coward over what happened is ridiculous, U only know what bzerk has told u. Not what really happened, so it would be best if u left that one well enough alone. One more thing, telling grey that im not his pilot, that is true, but guess what, I look at it as hes my leader, so yea I am his pilot, just like u and the misfits are bzerks pilots, the moms are wigs pilots, GIs are gunnerz pilots and so on. Just keep that in mind.

This is between me and u, I don't expect to see any misfits replying here, this is just so there is nothing to hide, no he said, she said. I WILL NOT reply to any pms, or any outsider who thinks they have a right to post, Just as I will request to the rejects that they don't post here.

If u got a problem with something about da g.I. thread u can say it to my face!!!

Wow froggy....

Mac wrote: I take offense to this. M.O.Ms are NOT wig's pilots. Unless he promises us cake. Then, he could sell us for a nickel and we'd be happy.

Id need to be payed a wage and cake bonus for that to happen
Calvin Moms dont want this cesspit.This isnt the place it once was.

Ding ding round 2

Sry, I had to work. 2 jobs equals working alllll day. Now where where we...

Ok, heres one thing I cant understand with u, if someone doesnt think just like u, then u automatically dont like them. I mean, we are both "adults" here right? Whats with the name calling with u, or well not name calling, let me rephrase that. Insults, saying my post is literally the densest thing uve ever read, and to congratulate me wirh that award, wtf... I guess thats just ur style of defense.
I didnt start this thread to argue with a brick wall, I know u are not going to budge on ur thoughts. I am simply asking for u to drop it with the bs. I dont see any other misfits agravating jim, grey, or me over every little post. Only u.... so again if h dont like our post then why do u go on our thread? I mean u did way worse on the moms thread when yall decided to attack MOM. I will admit that I started that, but it was an arguement between me and wig to sort out. And I even told yall to stay out of it but yall didnt listen and instead fed on the drama, making matters worse. But im getting off track. That might be taken as poking at u as well. I dont give a flying horses arse what ur opinions are man, just as im sure u feel the same way toward me. All I ask, is if u have nothing nice to say toward me or my squadmates, then dont say it at all. Feel free to post away all ur negative thoughts and such on ur threads. We are trying to be a peaceful and drama free squad, but u are making it real hard when u keep aggravating us over post. Like u and all the other misfits have said, we are free to post WHATEVER we wish on our thread, and when someone had an issue with it, they where in the wrong for saying something because it was on yalls thread. So why is ot any different with us? Why do we have to follow yalls rules when its our squad?

Again, I didnt start this thread for drama, fighti mmg, or wars. I started ir so its public. Covers both of our backs. And most people seem to respect the wishes of letting me and u talk, fight, or whatever we are calling this, and work it out to an understanding. Only a few people have posted, most trying to get us to either keep it clean or to stop all in all. And then theres that hothead guy who decided I was calling his squad out when I was using it as an example.... I couldnt help but reply to that one. Just had to say it.

Stop. Just stop! Let it die. It's over, no need to keep it going.

That's interesting that you attempt to point out that I don't like people that don't think just like me when I am not usually with the majority in the Misfits. Was in fact the last one to vote yes to you returning to the squad when not many did. (Clearly I wasn't thinking straight thanks for watching out for me brothers). I have also strongly defended you throughout when you were in the squad. Certainly you wouldn't admit that we think alike.

You ask me to drop it over and over, and yet you keep posting, which I have promised a response for every post and I wouldn't want to go back on that. I did do worse on the MOM thread, have ground my ax there, and buried it (except you Mac, we will get there soon).

The insults are my opinion as I see things. As I read that post, my thoughts were as I said. If you have truly believed what you have written, then I have the right to view your post as dense. You have the same right to think this way about my posts.

I did have plenty of nice things to say to you until you decided to put me on the spot. Somewhere you decided that my issues with Ghost somehow were with you as well. That was never the case. As far as the rest of your squadmates, I never had a particular issue with any one of them. Though I guess it wouldn't be a stretch to think they take issue with me now.

You continue the peaceful and drama free mantra and yet aim posts across the boards. The kool-aid posts were obvious digs. We hadn't taken a shot at the Rejects (feel free to go dig and search) and yet it seemed necessary to take pop shots across the way. I have never criticized anyone for taking offense if we took shots on our thread at them. You can't control responses just be ready for them and expect them. We are free to post whatever it is we feel like. We are also aware that that doesn't give us a free pass. I would personally never think such were the case.

What exactly was your hope in posting this thread? Cover our backs? I don't need to be covered. If this had happened in private, (which I would have preferred, but alas, that ship has set sail) I have the wonderful ability to screenshot pms. Also, if anyone had half a brain, they would discount both parties since everything at that point would be heresay anyway.

Now here is the Ghost riding in to save the day and stop the "drama". Kes (your pilot) has said this thread is between he and I. So in short I would invite you to take a long hike off a short pier. Does that make me an asshole? Why yes, yes it does. Do I care? Nope quit looking for the last eff I gave long ago.

Well, grey was against this thread to begin with, I just didn't listen.

Now just to make things clear on yall voting on not letting me back in yalls squad, I left for a reason, and never wanted to go back. I didnt ask, bz just had the audacity to call me in the dead of the night to tell me im not allowed to join. The misfits is a squad I dont want to be in anymore. Yalls morals have changed quite a bit. Now its hard to see a difference between mom and misfit anymore, yall carry the same attitude and behavior now. There are only a few misfits I even care to talk to anymore, and I can count all of them on 1 hand. And that number seems to be shrinking.

So in short her, just to stay on track. Since u think that im trying to agg on drama, I will end my side of the argument. I wasnt looking to fight, I was looking to get u to either leave our thread alone and stop spying or simply stop getting so offended with Every little post we make. I could care less if u trash us or anyone on yalls thread, but dont do it on ours, or like how uve been doing, by text and pm. Now on the koolade thing, I have no idea what it means, so I cant justify or admit to that one. Now im sure if u are willing to leave us alone and either stay away or just be nice, we will stop whatever "digging" we are supposedly doing.

This is my last post on the subject, I could care less what else is said. Ive stated several times my reason for the post, but u keep avoiding it. Now id extend my hand to shake on the deal, but I dont wanna get bit. Uve seen what I had to say, and im sure u have more to whine about with me so have fun "bro".

Kest...Please just let this die. It's not solving anything and just driving you apart. Let's try to keep it peaceful on here.

I am. I said what I needed to say, im done.

So which part is the lie? You still pretending to give a damn when I contacted you or the you I am presented with now?

Well I would battle with you about morals and how you went after Swop and tore that dude apart when you were Dragon Mercenary, but everyone could look and see that mess for themselves.

I'm sure I can still very clearly distinguish between the two squads. Just because we are both the biggest and most recognizable squads, doesn't mean we are of the same vain of thought and action. I can feel the offense from MOM'S and Misfits alike as I type. That number only shrinks because of you. Keep that one in mind.

I would never trash you on your thread. Went down that road once and have no desire to do it again. I will read what I want when I so desire. I don't take offense at every little post. I took offense to stupid pop shots. Now to shine some light on your ignorance, if you look up Jim Jones and the People's Temple, you will understand the kool-aid posts. Let's also be clear, the digging began before I made a defense.

Now to summarize, you can call it whining all you so desire. I am certain most of the forum here would see it through a different lens. None of this was fun. You made yourself look like an ass (aware I look like an ass as well, ah such is life) and the truth was spoken. As far as your hand and getting it bit, do the letters F O mean anything to you? If not, ask your fearless leader about them. I'm sure he would be able to explain.

Consider this an invitation to drink a tall warm glass of piss off as I will not post again unless you do.

Most Sincerely,
Weather[*M]an

To both you guys,

I like you both. Definitely on the good guy list for me and many. Problem with opinionated folk is that you (we) don't like to be misrepresented or misunderstood. Which makes it hard to do anything but put in the last word. To correct what the other one just implied about you. I've got the same problem.

Folks like us can escape the infinite stream of final posts with a simple "I disagree with you entirely, and let's leave it at that." The period is the most important part of that sentence. Because anything added will cause a response.

Ready? One, two, three...

EDIT: That came out more than a bit condescending, not my intent at all. Please take it for the friendly advice that it was meant to be, but missed the mark. Love ya both. In a fist-bump sort of way.

As a player who considers you both great friends i SINCERLY hope you two can get past all this. Take advise from an old fogey (eh that would be me) try to end it before it gets to far.

Still no bikinis, someone send me a PM, when a bikini shows up here.