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red 10 years 10 months ago #224235

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It appears people have had enough, voted, and prayed for a change. It's been a long time since I've seen so much red and its a good thing. I thank our president for if not for him, many would still be blue :woohoo:
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Finally obama did something right , he pushed the country in the other direction. Now hopefully the new folks can get the country on the right track, get rid of the job killing regulations, open up our own oil production, start getting people self sufficient, close the borders, approve the pipeline, ect ect.

Message to obama, STAY ON THE GOLF COURSE, RELAX AND STAY OUT OF THE WAY. WHAT A TOTAl LOSER
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I lean a little bit to the "GREEN" side, but my eyes are red. lol

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Doesn't democracy only work if there is a loyal opposition?

Get a head of state elected by seducing a small majority.
Collect the things you want to change in your favour as a return for funding his campaign.

Other lobbyists use fear of change to rally that other half of the population.
They make good governance impossible, by sabotaging everyting that is to be changed,

and nothing gets done this way. Sides in power change...a constant play of pretended freedom.

Change happens dispite of politicians. They serve the interests of the majorities, or just their own.
Change starts with the individual, catches on with a minority, has to fight the powerful behind political facade.
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Wow REDNOSE, nice post dude, you have made some really great points. Good job
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Hi Davy,

Watched the american democracy in action, 'and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!' LOL
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[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote: Finally obama did something right , he pushed the country in the other direction. Now hopefully the new folks can get the country on the right track, get rid of the job killing regulations, open up our own oil production, start getting people self sufficient, close the borders, approve the pipeline, ect ect.

Message to obama, STAY ON THE GOLF COURSE, RELAX AND STAY OUT OF THE WAY. WHAT A TOTAl LOSER


Oh Davy, Davy, Davy,

I started finding myself getting annoyed with your political stance and boisterous antics. I am however a firm believer in our constitutional rights and would take anyone to task that would try and stifle your voice and or trample on your beliefs. I will say this with all due respect, you're out of your rocky top mind. Every president has failed us on some level. Some more than others. For the record I voted for Obama. I also voted for Clinton. Just so you don't think I'm some pinko commie bastard, I also voted for Bush Sr. and for the great Ronald Reagan (now there's a president). I think its funny how everyone (you included) keeps saying that Obama's failures have pushed the country to vote republican. Using that logic, couldn't we say that the failures of George W pushed us to vote democrat? The failures of Bill Clinton pushed us to vote republican? The failures of Bush Sr pushed us to vote democrat? The pendulum swings left, it swings right and us poor saps are stuck in the middle taking it up, well, the middle. I think the thing that sucks the most is we are all forced to pick between the lesser of two evils because we all know that none of these people actually care about the common citizen. So rave on Davy and know that when the revolution comes I'll be happy to see you on the front lines with me. Viva la Revolution!
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Hey JIMBO, absolultly the failures of BUSH pushed the country to vote in OBAMA and the failures of obama is pushing the country to the red side. The last couple of years of the bush admin were not good.

However the entire socialistic agenda of the the obama admin is a complete disaster. Several of my friends also voted for Obama as obama was offering hope, change and transparency. Sounded good at the time but as most folks have since discovered his fundamental change was way radical and look at the scandals surrounding his admin.

You are also correct that we all have a right to voice our opinion and we should be able to do that without anyone getting mad. We all need to be able to give views and opinions especially if we can back them with facts.

You are also right about the middle class getting screwed by all of the politicians. REDNOSE had some great opinions on that. His obama care and energy policy's is really hurting the middle class. People should be very concerned about that.

Yeah I rant about him but I've seen a lot of good men die for the freedom of this country, it saddens me to see this socialistic, anti military and scandal ridden admin severely hurting our country.

I'm not alone, most of America is now outraged.

Take care JIMBO, I would be honored to have you by my side to lol lol.
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I'll be right on that front line with mtr evil looking scary guns. I may have voted for Clinton.. After all, his wife wasn't bad looking and horse much damage couple a pervert really do? Well we saw. I do long for another Reagan. I firmly believe people wanted hope and change in 08.... But I'm more convinced they weren't expecting socialism. Many states went red and I hope politicians don't believe they were hired to work WITH a socialist, but rather to stop him. This country needs fast more than this... Buy hey its a start. Maybe politicians will realize we're serious.
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I am in the middle, I am registered Independent. Back in the day I voted for Ross Perot (Yes the funny looking, big eared canidate). The lesser of 2 evils is an understatement. I'm almost positive we are voting for the lobbyists. It has become a sick joke, It used to be about taking care of the country. Now It's all about filling the pockets of your friends and colleagues. Corruption is running rampant throughout the government, both sides of the isle red or blue. It is time for an Independent, the 2 party system "doesn't" work. It is truly time for a "CHANGE"

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I know what you mean HULK, my business is fighting the greed as we speak, it's horrible, the republicans are only the lesser of 2 evils, I was really hoping obama would be different, he sure had the popularity to do a lot of good but to no avail. Wouldn't it be great to see some real honest folks in this country that were dedicated to the USA. and not their pockets.
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From an outsiders perspective:

Here in Europe many liked Obama, because he seems to care about the bad things in the U.S. that make our news.
High school shootings, poor standard of education, the lack of a first world standard health care system, the ruining of the world economy by the 'elite' buddies of the Bush administration. Bringing home the american troops from senceless wars.

We totally get the need for restrictions on gun ownership, the need for 'obamacare', cause insurance companies won't pay up if they can get away with it.
And most see the need to move away from the addiction to fossil fuel and think that there is no need for allied 'boots on the ground' in Syria. Arab countries have enough money to buy peace anywhere.
Most see the Irak war as a legacy from the former republican administrations. ( is it true that the Bush family fortune was tied up in Kuweit Oil companies?)

The interior problems of America are not much on the news here. It seems that the economy is picking up, unemployment is down, the Dollar is up.......

So what was the big drama?

Those that are a bit more informed know that those that try to fix the economy, are the same that drove it into the ditch. Guantanamo Prison is still open. And Obama sure isn't the messiah that many hoped he'd be.
'If there would be great minds in politics, the corporations would have already bought them away.'

Maybe Obama has more time now to make a foreign policy. The world could need a 'statesman'.
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Religion and politics. Never a winner in those two subjects.

I don't believe Obama is the demon he's thought to be. Is he a lousy president? Maybe. He has a more liberal slant than any "conservative" is comfortable with, but I'm sure not inviting the tea party members over for dinner.

Should we care for people that can't care for themselves (financially)? Absolutely!

Should we stand behind a system to keep working people afloat when they lose a job? You betcha!

Should we make sure everyone has the opportunity for effective healthcare? Yes sir!

Should we look for ways to help create jobs? Got to!


Welfare in any form should be deserved not a right. If you can buy drugs, you can buy groceries and pay rent and if don't, I don't care and nobody else should either. You want to create jobs? Hire auditors to make sure the system isn't scammed. The money saved from fraudulent claims would pay for the auditors and drug tests and more. Unemployment Insurance... that ain't free! That's paid for by the employer. You give anybody free checks for 99 months, It might be worth making sure they're actually looking for work. Don't give unemployment benefits to somebody that got fired for stealing and the the employers costs would go down. He might be able to expand, hire more people. If not, no checks for you! I drive pass the trailer park and see a $60K truck outside, I have to wonder. I see the single mom in the grocery paying for someone else's stuff and then outside I see the handoff of a little package. Is that what that EBT card was for? Let's make sure everyone's got affordable health coverage. You think if we stop letting people get away with invalid malpractice lawsuits, the doctors and hospitals would have to pay the insurance costs they do? Do you think we could come up with a system that doesn't triage senior citizens to death and cost me a 37% increase? I do! Want to create jobs? Don't tax the bezeejus out of a small business owner. A small sole proprietor or LLC owner isn't rich because his company had $250,000 of revenue. That goes to pay employees (they're unemployment insurance too), pay bills, buy supplies. Small business employs the country.

Now that's all a "conservative" take. The "conservatives" did use any more common sense. A bank and or automotive manufacturer is tanking? Let em! Its a free market and if there is a need for their products or services, somebody will fill the void. The employees worth a damn will be a value that won't be wasted. A 45% tax burden is excess, no matter the annual earnings, but Big Business doesn't need a free ride either, just because the funneled millions to help get that favor back. (thatx's either side). Not everyone asking for assistance is a crook. Some people need help. Who gives a crap who loves whom? Why are our states and country spending billions to stop people from getting married? It doesn't frigging matter. Maybe some of that money could be put to better use.

Both parties could use some common sense and fat trimming. I mean in my state there a grant of absurd amount for an effing tea pot museum? Really? Stupidity is the enemy and we just keep fueling it. Pick your battles and work together when it's right.
Fuck this place. Second rate hack playing in a yard that's too big for him.
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All good comments here. As someone said, let's not be stupid and work together. The unfortunate thing about it is that "they" don't want to compromise and work together. No matter who had been elected earlier, they would have inherited the same mess and who knows what the results would have been. All our branches of government have sworn to uphold the constitution and do what is good for our country. They get a great big FAIL on that account. A friend of mine said yesterday, "it looks like more 'adults' are getting voted in." Sorry to disagree. Based on what is already being reported on the news, I believe we are in for continued "big waves on the ocean." Hope the ship don't go down!
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Here's an interesting thought. How many folks know that obama controlled both the house and senate for the last two years. All the bills that were passed were blocked by Harry Reid and sitting on his desk or blocked by obama himself check it out

The republicans haven't been the obstructionist. They were blamed of course by the liberal media.

So if obama had control of everything how come nothing got done?
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Yeah I voted for Perot too. Just goes to show you how bad the two parties got. This mid-term just had two evils.

I'm with Davy in most of my ideals, but I have no optimism of the new balance in congress. I've gotten to the point that I don't believe a bloody thing anyone in Washington says. So much deception and corruption, regardless of ideals. In fact, who cares about what ideals these jokers state? Dangle the right pork chop in the bill, and suddenly they are passing something that neither they nor their base believe in.

I'd sure like to see reduced regulation on small businesses, and everyone stands in the same line at the border. I'd like to see energy independence to shake off the chains of the middle east. I'd like to see the end of foreign policy deception, and I'd like to see responsible parties properly investigated and tried for their deceptive actions.

That's all just me, and everyone has their unique list. But do any of us, regardless of leanings, think that ANY of these PROMISES (yep, they campaigned on these) will be fulfilled? Nope.

It's almost like I wasted my time at the polls on Tuesday. But I will always go.

BTW, even though I offered my I.D. when I turned in my absentee ballot (our whole district is now mail-ins, or you bring it in yourself, and rule says it must be you), they declined it. I knew this would happen, so I pushed. NO SIR, we don't need to see that. Even got a bit huffy. Same with my wife, a few hours earlier. Smack me on the head if I have this wrong, but in my mind, the only way someone could seriously argue for omitting I.D.'s at the polls is IF they have corruption in mind. Ya think?

Only in California! Or is it?

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No Manny, it's not just Cali. I've voted in the same district and same polling location for 13 years. Every year I see the same volunteer. Every year I hand him my ID. Every year he insists on not looking at it. Last year he actually said, "If you don't state your name and address, I cannot give you a ballot." I asked, "So you're denying my right to vote because I'm providing proof than I'm me?" It grew into an audience of bystanders. The official in charge finally came and took my ID and handed me my ballot form.

This year I handed him my ID only to hear he didn't need it and to state my name and address. I said, "yes, you do." He took it.
Fuck this place. Second rate hack playing in a yard that's too big for him.
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You guys are really making some good points. It's all one big old mess huh. It's sad because there are no easy answers when all the politicians are looking after their own future. The middle class is in trouble.
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