The law of large numbers doesn't work here, because the palyer can influence the statistics based on behaviour. That means that you won't get a normalized distribution curve, with Blue Max and Vampire at one end at 5 to 1 and noobs at the other at 1 to 5.

Any player can choose which games they play. Lets use experienced pilots in top machines, because the statistics are drawn from the first 100. You will get more kills and less deaths playing DF and CTC than you will bombing. You will also get more kills fighting bombers without a bomb. You selections and behaviour allow you to move the curve. You can also bomb and evade fighters and fighter bombers by going, high, wide, swirling, etc. In a perfect analysis, we would be able to have different curves for people that play fighter (SB, Lowenhar, etc., people that play fighter bomber, (Blue Max, Vampire/Arkangel, etc.), and people that bomb and avoid fighters.

The best fighter and the best bomber are playing completely different games, even if they are in the same scenario. I suppose the "best" all around would be the fighter bombers with the highest kll ratio AND the highest hangars to games won ratio (total games and total carriers and hangars would be better, but alas, not given) tells me that the player in question can sweep the skies with superior skill, bomb your target as he rakes you off the runway, and returns to reload, while picking off anyone foolish enough to pursue.

In a year and a half of play I can only think ofa handful of true fighters, true all around, and true bombers (guys that will get a hangar even when you know they are coming).

Longrifle wrote: The law of large numbers doesn't work here, because the palyer can influence the statistics based on behaviour. That means that you won't get a normalized distribution curve, with Blue Max and Vampire at one end at 5 to 1 and noobs at the other at 1 to 5.

Any player can choose which games they play. Lets use experienced pilots in top machines, because the statistics are drawn from the first 100. You will get more kills and less deaths playing DF and CTC than you will bombing. You will also get more kills fighting bombers without a bomb. You selections and behaviour allow you to move the curve. You can also bomb and evade fighters and fighter bombers by going, high, wide, swirling, etc. In a perfect analysis, we would be able to have different curves for people that play fighter (SB, Lowenhar, etc., people that play fighter bomber, (Blue Max, Vampire/Arkangel, etc.), and people that bomb and avoid fighters.

The best fighter and the best bomber are playing completely different games, even if they are in the same scenario. I suppose the "best" all around would be the fighter bombers with the highest kll ratio AND the highest hangars to games won ratio (total games and total carriers and hangars would be better, but alas, not given) tells me that the player in question can sweep the skies with superior skill, bomb your target as he rakes you off the runway, and returns to reload, while picking off anyone foolish enough to pursue.

In a year and a half of play I can only think ofa handful of true fighters, true all around, and true bombers (guys that will get a hangar even when you know they are coming).

Again, Yeah what he said, (HULK STILL NOT SO SMART)

All you guys are saying it's true. But I need say, again, this is only for know how many times you die for whatever you do. This is like the notes in the school , I hate when some guy whit all homework have an A, but he is so stupid and if you asked for some term, he don't know.

I would like you guys think this. If some one has a good KD many pilots say " oh! It's because he only play dogfigth missions" , if some one have many hangars " oh! He is an sneaker " . Then? No one can be a good pilot? Everbody mut have 3:1 ratio doing head on? I think that you must no get worried about others stats than yours. Maybe I must change the name for " this is not a top, it's our % of deaths in relation whit all " and like I said, this is better than a top of pilots whit only more points than others. I think this ranking it's better.

You guys know what happened when I do head on? I have a big hole in my ass because Hulk!! Then, even whit my bomb, I don't make head on, I have 8:1 ratio even in bombing missions. What happen whit the pilots who don't play like you? We can not say they are good too? Obviously I tired about the pilots whit some shitt that they can make a turn in 1 second, and the lag, even about be alone in the dogfights ( looool )

Wig, I'm not saying that some guys it's 4 times better than some another. I'm just make this for each pilot who want to see his % in relation whit all. This stats, obviously, don't wonna show us the best moment whit our feelas. This is only a small help for have an reference. That's all.


Edit: I love you Hulk Something in my body remains me your green force

I appreciate all the time, thought and effort you've put into this.

Someone else attempted this before and confused me then, as well.
It's certainly more interesting and brain twisting than most threads.

I know, Ziza, it's two different but related topics; your statistical stuff and whether it can offer a useful perspective on playing styles, or vice versa...and my obsessive need to feel like I've conveyed the point that astronomical kill ratios cannot be explained away with only playing style and claims of "skill".

I thing no one can replace a tournament. One for shooters and another for Fighters. No one can play only one of them, he must play the two tournaments. But make a tournament is something I can't do whit my English and time

Ziza wrote: I thing no one can replace a tournament. One for shooters and another for Fighters. No one can play only one of them, he must play the two tournaments. But make a tournament is something I can't do whit my English and time

Trust me Ziza, Your English is better than some of the players here who only speak this language.

Ziza wrote: All you guys are saying it's true. But I need say, again, this is only for know how many times you die for whatever you do. This is like the notes in the school , I hate when some guy whit all homework have an A, but he is so stupid and if you asked for some term, he don't know.

I would like you guys think this. If some one has a good KD many pilots say " oh! It's because he only play dogfigth missions" , if some one have many hangars " oh! He is an sneaker " . Then? No one can be a good pilot? Everbody mut have 3:1 ratio doing head on? I think that you must no get worried about others stats than yours. Maybe I must change the name for " this is not a top, it's our % of deaths in relation whit all " and like I said, this is better than a top of pilots whit only more points than others. I think this ranking it's better.

You guys know what happened when I do head on? I have a big hole in my ass because Hulk!! Then, even whit my bomb, I don't make head on, I have 8:1 ratio even in bombing missions. What happen whit the pilots who don't play like you? We can not say they are good too? Obviously I tired about the pilots whit some shitt that they can make a turn in 1 second, and the lag, even about be alone in the dogfights ( looool )

Wig, I'm not saying that some guys it's 4 times better than some another. I'm just make this for each pilot who want to see his % in relation whit all. This stats, obviously, don't wonna show us the best moment whit our feelas. This is only a small help for have an reference. That's all.


Edit: I love you Hulk Something in my body remains me your green force

My apologies for the hole in your ass, lol

a small example of the use that can be given to these statistics, again, are for guidance only

This is the effectiveness of my squadron in relation to top 100

Hey Ziza my friend.. there must be something wrong with your statistics compilation..

See I believe that I have the least amount of hangars bombed out of all the Top 100 (a statistic I am proud of btw! ) So shouldn't that mean I would be at the bottom of the 'bombers' listing? like I should be #100 instead of being #96 ?

Also, as you requested the info & just so you know, I mostly enter non-bombing missions ever since a friend of mine (Reck!ess) told me I should only enter missions I enjoy, since after all this is just a game.. (Thanks Reck!) I do however join in on bombing missions, at least 1 or 2 a day.. usually when I see a fellow Lafayette pilot in one, but sometimes just because I see a few pilots that I enjoy flying with even if they DO put holes in my plane lol!

So for me for the past 4 or 5 months of my almost year here, I have been flying primarily CTC, Dogfight, & Zep missions (either defend or attack, I don't care which) so about 1 out of 10 or so missions I play will be a bombing mission.

The biggest single statistic that I see that should be the primary indicator of how well someone is doing at this game is Wins.. especially the sheer number of Won Missions.. but even more so then should be the Wins:Deaths ratio.. which would be the telling factor of how good or poorly someone is flying as well as an indicator of other things I would think. But then again there are good arguments on how statistics don't tell the whole story, which is true! But with you working with what you have here available as statisics I think you've done a really good job on putting a new face on statistics overall!

Nice Job Ziza!

In fact, that is why I think these statistics bring us a little closer to what the numbers tell us you are a fighter, and it shows in the statistics.

If for example, we see Whip (for me it is one of the most complete pilots game, it is an excellent fighter and an excellent shooter), he is almost 50% to 50% in both categories. We can see, then you, he does not use his skill, because if he played the role of fighter more often, their level of hunting would be even higher.

So we can conclude that these statistics are about styles, not about the effectiveness of a pilot, but rather the effectiveness of the styles.

I just talked with a buddy who is a professional statesman, and he is telling me that if I collect the 20 best shooters and analyze their averages, I can divide as Davy proposes

I'm still a little, no a lot, confused. I confuse easily.

What does the % compare to? 30% and 69% means what?
I'm 30% dogfighter...69% bomber...and 1% lover?

I made an average of all the drivers in the top 100 of the game. Average that is about the amount of times you die and when you die, how many enemies you take with you? How many hangars? but that is not enough (actually it's never enough) also I took into consideration some pilots die much, but That allows them win, as even sometimes to be consistent and never give in the enemy is more valuable than to shoot them down. Then:

No matter if someone has a big kill ratio, if that does not let you win, then the Fighter % decrease . No matter if someone has a low kill ratio if he has destroyed many airports, the percentage as a bomber increases .

The percentage represents how effective you are in relation to the overall average. That is, if you're on a bombing mission against someone with less percentage than you (just you and him) you have shown to have more chances to win and not die less than he. But its like football, if Messi has average 94 in FIFA does not mean he will always win a 1v1. this is only an orientation average

Got it, I think.

So, I'm still a 100% lover.
BIRDBRAINBESSE will be happy! Mathematics has proven it!
Thanks!

It has been a pleasure reading all of this. So much better than the normal arguments, thanks guys I really do enjoy this

I wish we can have tank stats because I know one thing doing the stats on tanks would probably be was more fun because I know for sure I am a top 100 tanker u can ask most about it if we can have tank deaths and tank kills with tanked hangars and we can't have wins because u have to be in an airplane at least once too get in a tank but this was really fun reading all though I skiped most of page two because I got a severe headache reading page one lol but good thinking everyone ( exepy for the not very smart guy lol jk

Guys!! I forget say something!! I'm gonna do this each 15 days. And I'm gonna make the other 50% of the stats. How? First part it's this, I have show you then, I'm gonna see the newest stats and I'm gonna make a difference. For example:

Pilot 1 have

145 kills
30 hangars
100 deaths
70 wins

After 15 days

250 kills
60 hangars
150 deaths
120 wins

The differences is :
105 kills
30 hangars
50 deaths
50 wins

Then I'm gonna make the stats with this new numbers and that's it's the other 50% of the effectiveness.

Then 50 % it's about all the past stats from now, and the other 50 % it's the actual stats = the effectiveness

And, if I can do it ( all depend the participants in the shooters list ) I'm gonna make the next category : Bomber, Shooter, Fighter

And remember guys, the stats can't show us what you can do, only show us what you actually do. If some one its a good fighter but he only make head on, I can't do anything more that make his stats whit shooter style.

One I have noticed is if you take the KDR and divide it by the number of missions played, subtract the difference of average red to blue players in game, and multiply that by the number of times Calle enters a game sees me then leaves by .33, then divide the number of successful landings to reload, add the quotient of seconds commanding a carrier versus seconds in the air, and then factoring the hypotenuse of the total number of bombs carried, you can easily see that I am #1 effective. The numbers don't lie

FFS get a life and play the game.

[*M] bware wrote: One I have noticed is if you take the KDR and divide it by the number of missions played, subtract the difference of average red to blue players in game, and multiply that by the number of times Calle enters a game sees me then leaves by .33, then divide the number of successful landings to reload, add the quotient of seconds commanding a carrier versus seconds in the air, and then factoring the hypotenuse of the total number of bombs carried, you can easily see that I am #1 effective. The numbers don't lie

If you take your life and you subtract your tablet and you multiply it by my kisses = A life together

Said by my girlfriend while I ignored him for doing this

Ziza wrote:

[*M] bware wrote: One I have noticed is if you take the KDR and divide it by the number of missions played, subtract the difference of average red to blue players in game, and multiply that by the number of times Calle enters a game sees me then leaves by .33, then divide the number of successful landings to reload, add the quotient of seconds commanding a carrier versus seconds in the air, and then factoring the hypotenuse of the total number of bombs carried, you can easily see that I am #1 effective. The numbers don't lie

If you take your life and you subtract your tablet and you multiply it by my kisses = A life together

Said by my girlfriend while I ignored him for doing this

is it your boyfriend or girlfriend u said him than her lol