I am a newer player to Dogfight, 3-4 months and like many of you I am well on my way to becoming a full blown addict if my wife would just stop pestering me while I played . There is a well established community of good people here which is why this is such a great game. With such a large community of such active players there are bound to be disagreements, but there are plenty of threads active right now or conversations on the world chat that are personal fights between players, most of whom are adults and are looked at by newer players in game and on the forum as the example.

When it comes to newer players dropping, tank spawn killing, team killing OR Using foul language. Just remember that they may have seen others who have been around much longer doing the same thing and may think that is how the game is played. Or that there are no rules. It would be nice to have something in the training missions to acclimate newer players to the multiplayer side of the game....

Most everyone ive spoken to personally has been a great help and very welcoming. I remember the first time I played with wig and I was getting royally whooped and said so out loud. Unlike most every other game out there he said I was doing good and the next run was noticeably less quick to kill me . Every time I play with Misfits im having fun red or blue. And those NLR folks are some of the nicest people to ever shoot me down lol. I could go on forever....Seriously, there a lot of good people here.

So take it easy on the new guys and take the time to teach em a thing or two. We were all flying brick targets at some point.

Question Of The Day: How have things changed since you started playing?

Hey and thx I started in April and one thing that changed was the planes when I started playin always fun to play with u disrupt

" ....Oh laddy.....How things have changed since the good old days! Let me tell ya about the times way back when the aeroplanes were made of wood, and the pilots were made of iron....." (Are you still there?)

No really, I've been playing for about a year now and things háve changed, or it is only that I now start to notice?

The chat is mostly bored kids that express their frustrations of not being able to interact socially.
On the forum, I don't get why players try to assasinate other players reputation stating that 'others should know' about personal things that have nothing to do with Dogfight.

But the game as a game is still fun, and really addictive.

As a new player I didn't get the 'rules of fair play'......'There's a war on!', I reasoned. So 'all is fair!'
A 'Code of Conduct' would be nice......but Management is right not to provide one, because IT IS JUST A GAME!
Players that don't make this game fun for others will never really enjoy it, and will gradually leave anyway.

Everyone that has been around for a while knows who never carry a bomb, sneak while outnumbering the enemy, and spawnkill.
Everyone knows what to do when they see them in red.
......and isn't thát what keeps this game exciting once you start to get bored with the never ending head on battles?

I have been around since January with a month off recently. I must admit after my return, I am more mellow towards the spawn killers, campers and droppers than I used to be. I now think it quite an interesting dynamic of the game. I still don't approve of it but I don't think the game would be as interesting overall without it.

Don't get angry, get even...

I joined in June but I started playing from July so I'm nearly 3 months old in this game. I remember the time when I first reached higher server . I usually got shot as soon I met any red on field for some days but then I learnt to shoot them. The fastest way to learn is to face the best player u know (one who plays well not who have good world ranks , there are many players who don't deserve their ranks) , I know u'll think I'm idiot saying that, that we are newbie and it will be suicide .

Yes, it's suicide u'll die many times for some days only but u'll find a lot improvement in u and then u'll shoot him down and when it will start then you will go on and on.

Don't think you are not capable of anything anytime . It's just problem with game makers . The one who don't need coins have millions and whip need have scanty of them. When we are newbies it's not we lag much in skills it's just that we have worst plane and boasting enemy have best plane.

And droppers are the one who take maximum advantage of that and those jerks feel proud that they are great but the reality is like "One having boxing match with handicapped person and winning it" I don't think it's anything to be proud of ! So, if u wanna drop and fight, fight with one who have equally upgraded same plane as you have then it will show how good you are.

Camping if ok if you are covering for your mates but for kills if you do that it simply means you are so weak that you can't shoot him in air which tells that camper is scared of you. So you should take that as complement !

And at last sneakers are the most coward persons in this game. If you sneaks to get the last hanger or carrier then it can be taken, and for newbie sneaking is to avoid death but they don't know they are avoiding skills which they could improve.

Hmmm,

Well, I've been playing nearly 2 years now, many things have changed.

Hangars got larger, further apart, you used to be able to hit 3 with one bomb, they used to look like little tents.

The top planes were the SE5a and the Albatross DV. You did not have a choice of paint. When you reached MORAF the DV would receive the black and white stripped paint job, so MORAFS were called "zebras". The lowest performance planes were the Sopwith Camel.and the the DR1. The highest upgrade for a plane's performance was "3 stars" . No plane could carry more than one bomb. Planes and upgrades were 1/10th the price.

The tanks were a larger, more stable WW2 style. They were harder to flip and easier to roll back over which made them more fun to drive. You could site down the barrel in 3rd person view more easily. I think they may have been faster too. They never flew. Lol! Once you fired a shot the shot would keep going and could hit the target even if you respawned before it got to the target.. Tank hits on a carrier caused 10% damage. A tank could sit on a runway and cause crashes.

The topography of the landscape was not so high, There was no little Gretchland village in the middle of the map. There were not so many out buildings at North Base. The water levels were lower, there was more room under the bridge and more dry land around it. The peak of Duckwing Mountian (tall mtn north of the German base) had no statue and the top had an indentation which was more challenging to land on and would provide a little more cover once you landed there.

There were no foul language filters so all muted and bans were manually applied by in-game moderators. There was no in-game reporting system so the black list was the only reporting option. There was no auto ban for teamkilling or blue hangar bombing. An allied could get points for shooting the zep once the engines were out. The carriers did not have so many antennas on their con towers so airplanes could land and take off from the top (if you had the skill)

There was no world chat, no choice of servers. Just one button to enter the multiplayer servers. The only way to check your stats was on the forum game rank tab. You had to land in a parachute or return to base to get points for kills. If you hit "retry" before your feet hit the ground your points would not post. There were only 20 +/- MORAFs. Most level 27s were in the top 100.
There was only one server for all players so aspirants always got thrown in with all other players.

There were much fewer squads and they were much smaller. ( There were +/- 80 MOMs) There were no lists of squad members other than on the squad threads on the forum. Anyone could join any squad without permission, so squads would have to hunt down unapproved members.

What did I miss?

What has not changed?

Lag
Slow updates that take a while to reach all platforms.
Same complaints- debates about game features, flying/fighting styles.
Still an addictive game for those who get the bug for it.
Still people who misbehave.
Still those who try to argue with them and try to get them banned or muted.

Personally, I quit caring about my personal stats after I reached the top 100. I reached an understanding that everyone enjoys the game in their own way for their own reasons and you cannot make everyone happy. I actually like going up against the "jerks" because of the variation and challenge they provide. It's okay if someone hates me or wants to kill me because it is a war game. LOL! I prefer to "cut some slack" for noobs and avoid killing them if I can get past them instead when it makes sense to do so.

McFate wrote: Hmmm,

Well, I've been playing nearly 2 years now, many things have changed.

Hangars got larger, further apart, you used to be able to hit 3 with one bomb, they used to look like little tents.

The top planes were the SE5a and the Albatross DV. You did not have a choice of paint. When you reached MORAF the DV would receive the black and white stripped paint job, so MORAFS were called "zebras". The lowest performance planes were the Sopwith Camel.and the the DR1. The highest upgrade for a plane's performance was "3 stars" . No plane could carry more than one bomb. Planes and upgrades were 1/10th the price.

The tanks were a larger, more stable WW2 style. They were harder to flip and easier to roll back over which made them more fun to drive. You could site down the barrel in 3rd person view more easily. I think they may have been faster too. They never flew. Lol! Once you fired a shot the shot would keep going and could hit the target even if you respawned before it got to the target.. Tank hits on a carrier caused 10% damage. A tank could sit on a runway and cause crashes.

The topography of the landscape was not so high, There was no little Gretchland village in the middle of the map. There were not so many out buildings at North Base. The water levels were lower, there was more room under the bridge and more dry land around it. The peak of Duckwing Mountian (tall mtn north of the German base) had no statue and the top had an indentation which was more challenging to land on and would provide a little more cover once you landed there.

There were no foul language filters so all muted and bans were manually applied by in-game moderators. There was no in-game reporting system so the black list was the only reporting option. There was no auto ban for teamkilling or blue hangar bombing. An allied could get points for shooting the zep once the engines were out. The carriers did not have so many antennas on their con towers so airplanes could land and take off from the top (if you had the skill)

There was no world chat, no choice of servers. Just one button to enter the multiplayer servers. The only way to check your stats was on the forum game rank tab. You had to land in a parachute or return to base to get points for kills. If you hit "retry" before your feet hit the ground your points would not post. There were only 20 +/- MORAFs. Most level 27s were in the top 100.
There was only one server for all players so aspirants always got thrown in with all other players.

There were much fewer squads and they were much smaller. ( There were +/- 80 MOMs) There were no lists of squad members other than on the squad threads on the forum. Anyone could join any squad without permission, so squads would have to hunt down unapproved members.

What did I miss?

What has not changed?

Lag
Slow updates that take a while to reach all platforms.
Same complaints- debates about game features, flying/fighting styles.
Still an addictive game for those who get the bug for it.
Still people who misbehave.
Still those who try to argue with them and try to get them banned or muted.

Personally, I quit caring about my personal stats after I reached the top 100. I reached an understanding that everyone enjoys the game in their own way for their own reasons and you cannot make everyone happy. I actually lime going up against the "jerks" because of the variation and challenge they provide. It's okay if someone hates me or wants to kill me because it is a war game. LOL! I prefer to "cut some slack" for noobs and avoid killing them if I can get past them instead when it makes sense to do so.

I still landed on carrier and on building's top few days ago..
And I never saw any statute where is it?

McFate,

Interesting to read about the changes over time. Wish I had been around in the early days to see them.

I entered this game about late June of this year and so enjoy it. The vast majority of players are very nice and helpful. I was called a 'noob' my first week of flying and had no clue what that meant.. But I quickly learned the rules, watched skilled players and flied with respect. Earned me a spot in a great squad.

I don't mind droppers (depends on Sq. rules in some cases). Team killers are annoying and the language does not personally offend me--seriously what 40 some yr. old male has not heard or used it all!?

But if a 10 or 12 year old is on here reading some of that--different issue for someone running a business with ads. Zup runs a business and when he called for MODS it was clear he was spelling that out, as the MODS represent Echoboom and DF image.

Cheers,

Dire

DireWolf {WP} wrote: McFate,

Interesting to read about the changes over time. Wish I had been around in the early days to see them.

I entered this game about late June of this year and so enjoy it. The vast majority of players are very nice and helpful. I was called a 'noob' my first week of flying and had no clue what that meant.. But I quickly learned the rules, watched skilled players and flied with respect. Earned me a spot in a great squad.

I don't mind droppers (depends on Sq. rules in some cases). Team killers are annoying and the language does not personally offend me--seriously what 40 some yr. old male has not heard or used it all!?

But if a 10 or 12 year old is on here reading some of that--different issue for someone running a business with ads. Zup runs a business and when he called for MODS it was clear he was spelling that out, as the MODS represent Echoboom and DF image.

Cheers,

Dire

We do not have any trouble with droppers but they examine their power on newbies that's bad thing, these guys plays with basic plane and droppers chase them with camel d8 or se5a that's the issue.
Using bad language don't mean just to offend you, it decrease our reputation amongst others that what kind of dirty game we play and we all know its not at all dirty.

I like this thread, well stated Disrupt.

All the physical changes since I have been playing have already been mentioned so I will address the body of your original.

I wholeheartedly agree with cutting noobs some slack and do so when the situation permits. Some players like Zebra will offer in game hints and tips. I subscribe to that practice as well. While beating down new folks may indeed make them a better pilot I don't agree with that philosophy and instead try to boost confidence as I feel that will keep them coming back. I liken it to playing a child in sports, or like playing your child in a game. Would you play 100% vs. your kid at say, basketball?

To answer the question of the day I would like to say what has changed that hasn't been mention is the way I approach the game. As I have gotten better I do things differently. For instance I now enjoy a good capture the carrier game when before I hated it. Now I target higher ranks when before I avoided them like the plague. Tactics and approach to each game is largely dependent on who is opposing me and who is flying with me. Like McFate I don't really care about personal stats above what points are necessary for promotion. As long as I am having fun and others in the game with me are having fun, that is the most important stat as I feel it will help promote the game and community. A strong community assures me I can feed my dogfight addiction for years to come.

How would you answer the question of the day Disrupt?

*edit* I forgot to add that like you I also used experience players as my initial example but have since developed my own sense of what fair game play should be. That is how I try to play, how I would like others to play, and will avoid games with folks who play in a manner that I feel is unfair. There are times for all the various tactics but not when I am hanging around base killing level 10 pilots, just as an example.

Yeah but you keep targeting me lol lol. I don't like it

You are a fun player and good also.

DISRUPT wrote: ... How have things changed since you started playing?

Meanings of words have changed for me. Before the Obsession, a wig was just something someone might stick on their head. I didn't dive out of the way if I saw a kestrel, and it certainly didn't shoot bullets.

Nowadays when I go into a dollar store, I look for stuffed jacklopes and spend time studying toy hulks and parrots. And when I meet someone new named Davy, I can't help wondering if his pants are going to fall down.

All in all, these are positive changes. At least that's what I tell my wife.

Manfred

Estoy de acuerdo con mcfate.yo llevo jugando unos 3 años, recuerdo que los angares heran diminutos, y el relieve del terreno nulo y todo verde liso sin arboles.todos entrabamos en el mismo servidor, imaginate las veces que nos freian.con el tanque te molian y casi no te dejaban despegar.strachan calle embizzy blu
Hera aterrador.tenias que elegir salir del juego y desinstalarlo o afrontar las derrotas para luego vengarte sanamente de todos esos pilotos que no te dejaban ni respirar, no me quejaba nunca.seguia mejorando y un dia vi que no se me daba nada mal,y cuando me encontre a todos esos pilotos les dije soy charli8 y os voy a derribar.los persiguia una y otra vez, algunos salian del juego.uno me.derribo tantas veces que se aburrio hasta de dispararme.yo deguia a lo mio y asi pude llegar a ser un gran piloto.cuando hay un nuevo el te va a matar, el avion nuestro es logico que sea mejor tambien nos lo hemos ganado digo yo no?
Estoy de.acuerdo en que es mejor el avion y tienes mas ventaja, pero es el piloto lo que mas cuenta, y si te pones retos dificiles tu y todos los nuevos sereis mejores.yo cuando entro en el aeropuerto y van a entrar compañeros para bombardear les.ayudo es normal
Si no los hay me voy...y digo yo si voy para mi aeropuerto, por que me disparan por la espalda? Eso me pone de los nervios me giro yiderribo.si alguien me dispara por detras me giro y derribo 1 advierto, luego normalmente se disculpan.en este juego sigue habiendo grandes personas, grandes pilotos y grandes tontos.aver si usted lleva un avion menor.por que no intentar ser mejor? Yo hace unos meses vole un albatros d-v y derribe 53 cayendo 13 veces, no es camel no?.en cuanto a los insultos siempre existieron, que vas a estar insultando tu tambien? No es mejor divertirse, no es mas bonito disfrutar y dejar disfrutar del juego? Hay nuevos que son buena gente, pero tambien los hay muy jovenes y muy molestos,orgullosos y faltones.yo como muchos de los veteranos, estamos para ayudar, conocemos el juego al dedillo y procuramos ayudar a los nuevos, yo no me mofo de nadie menos aun de los nuevos.pero es verdad que el tiempo ha hecho este juego especial adictivo y bello y yo juego para encontrarme a todos esos amigos que formamos parte de esta familia, que jugamos para hablar y divertirnos.que mas da que me destruyan el ultimo hangar que estoy defendiendo? Que mas da si a sido un snaker? O un piloto qe me cayo desde arriba?muero? Si pero me divierto jugando, ya por suerte se quejan menos los pilotos, eso es de agradecer estan comprendiendo que es solo un juego y que en este no hay normas de prohibicion casi de ningun tipo,yo al que me gana de la forma que sea lo felicito, a sido mas listo que yo, por que le tendria que increpar? Yo vuelo por encontrarme con todos esos grandes pilotos y grandes personas, para hecharme unas risas y ver si puedo realizar algo diferente para ganar la mision.por cierto no vendrian nada mal algun mapa mas no creeis? espero y deseo seguiros viendo en este gran juego.han cambiado los graficos, el foro, los escuadrones, los aviones, las monedas mas dificil cada vez comprar un avion o mejorarlo, lo cual veo muy mal, sobre todo por la exigencia y todos los aviones que necesitas derribar para cambiar de avion o comprar cualq uier cosa .sobre todo para todos vosotros, todos los nuevos.pero lo que no ha cabiado son todas esas personas geniales que veo cuando monto en mi avion y que espero seguir viendo.

This video was made by BigC about a year ago.
(I wish BigC would come back around more. He is one of my favorite circus flyers.)

Lots of scenes of the old hangars, "old" planes and tanks, etc...
Check out the other dogfight vids he put on his youtube channel.

What has changed for me really was seeing the squads rise and fall like I remember when war birds first started and seeing someone named blue beagle always recruiting for them and also I have seen many players come and go and I'll tell u I am very upset about Rat tat tat getting banned I also wish my friend khaos king would not have left to go play clash of clans :'( I have been playing this game for almost 4 months and have had three accounts which is why I'm such a low level I have even had this game wayyyy longer before that on my old iPod which at the time was the only device I owned but I was never able to log in which upset me I never really got to play this game until I got my phone but I did have this game on my iPod and that was about a year and a half ago and man if I would have been able to play back than but my iPod was too old for the game I guess

Viper10{WP} wrote: I like this thread, well stated Disrupt.

How would you answer the question of the day Disrupt?

*edit* I forgot to add that like you I also used experience players as my initial example but have since developed my own sense of what fair game play should be. That is how I try to play, how I would like others to play, and will avoid games with folks who play in a manner that I feel is unfair. There are times for all the various tactics but not when I am hanging around base killing level 10 pilots, just as an example.

Thanks Viper,
I really liked what you had to say. Honestly I agree and relate so much with your post, that to answer the question my response would start looking like plagiarism lol, but ill try.

In the short time ive been playing the game itself hasn't changed as much as I have. When I started I cared more about my k/d ratio and less about bombing hangers which was a mistake because now I try to play with better players than myself and its not easy to get a hanger. I didn't chat because of previous gaming experiences being nothing but negative when it came to talking to players I didn't know outside the game, which leads to the best part. I had NO CLUE what a MORAF was for almost a month and wanted to know who this all powerful MORAF was and why everyone was talking about him

There are so many debates on tactics, but like you I try and play the game how I would like others to play. I wish I could remember who said this to me, but early on someone told me that in certain situations dropping will save you or guard your base, but if everyone did it all the time no one would ever win and only the higher lvls would ever get kills and the game wouldn't be any fun, and its stuck with me ever since.

Sry for the delayed response, but it was my sons 7th B-day today. Im beat

Mcfate,

I don't know how, but you always have the good links. Your favorites lists must have links to your other favorites lists .

You can tell in the video that its still the same game, but you are right. Those hangers and tanks are completely different. A lot sure has changed in a year that's for sure.
Thanks for the well thought out first response as well. I always come away having learned something when you reply. Even if its to keep my links well organized

Might interrest you....search 'history' by Zuperman

McFate wrote: Hmmm,

Well, I've been playing nearly 2 years now, many things have changed.

Hangars got larger, further apart, you used to be able to hit 3 with one bomb, they used to look like little tents.

The top planes were the SE5a and the Albatross DV. You did not have a choice of paint. When you reached MORAF the DV would receive the black and white stripped paint job, so MORAFS were called "zebras". The lowest performance planes were the Sopwith Camel.and the the DR1. The highest upgrade for a plane's performance was "3 stars" . No plane could carry more than one bomb. Planes and upgrades were 1/10th the price.

The tanks were a larger, more stable WW2 style. They were harder to flip and easier to roll back over which made them more fun to drive. You could site down the barrel in 3rd person view more easily. I think they may have been faster too. They never flew. Lol! Once you fired a shot the shot would keep going and could hit the target even if you respawned before it got to the target.. Tank hits on a carrier caused 10% damage. A tank could sit on a runway and cause crashes.

The topography of the landscape was not so high, There was no little Gretchland village in the middle of the map. There were not so many out buildings at North Base. The water levels were lower, there was more room under the bridge and more dry land around it. The peak of Duckwing Mountian (tall mtn north of the German base) had no statue and the top had an indentation which was more challenging to land on and would provide a little more cover once you landed there.

There were no foul language filters so all muted and bans were manually applied by in-game moderators. There was no in-game reporting system so the black list was the only reporting option. There was no auto ban for teamkilling or blue hangar bombing. An allied could get points for shooting the zep once the engines were out. The carriers did not have so many antennas on their con towers so airplanes could land and take off from the top (if you had the skill)

There was no world chat, no choice of servers. Just one button to enter the multiplayer servers. The only way to check your stats was on the forum game rank tab. You had to land in a parachute or return to base to get points for kills. If you hit "retry" before your feet hit the ground your points would not post. There were only 20 +/- MORAFs. Most level 27s were in the top 100.
There was only one server for all players so aspirants always got thrown in with all other players.

There were much fewer squads and they were much smaller. ( There were +/- 80 MOMs) There were no lists of squad members other than on the squad threads on the forum. Anyone could join any squad without permission, so squads would have to hunt down unapproved members.

What did I miss?

What has not changed?

Lag
Slow updates that take a while to reach all platforms.
Same complaints- debates about game features, flying/fighting styles.
Still an addictive game for those who get the bug for it.
Still people who misbehave.
Still those who try to argue with them and try to get them banned or muted.

Personally, I quit caring about my personal stats after I reached the top 100. I reached an understanding that everyone enjoys the game in their own way for their own reasons and you cannot make everyone happy. I actually like going up against the "jerks" because of the variation and challenge they provide. It's okay if someone hates me or wants to kill me because it is a war game. LOL! I prefer to "cut some slack" for noobs and avoid killing them if I can get past them instead when it makes sense to do so.

It's funny I've seen all these changes, and WAS here from about a month after it came out.. :\
I quit playing, but the new dynamics and such players here that actually enjoy this game for the flying with practically no (bad-ish)gossip pulled me back. I've also heard a lot so, im not sure what is true about the glory days (i mean i missed about a year worth of playing!,) but im just happy in my little bubble in dogfight. I deflect the butts and absorb the worthwhile players (also i think id be one those morafs by now if i kept playing, maybe even top 100 ) I agree with mac fully.

How about these:

1) There used to no squads;
2) Departure of Slenderman;
3) Tanks spawnkiling you on base was more common;
4) B and Mbizzi were respectfully #1 and #2 forever; and
5) Singh was not a smart ass. Actually Singh was always a smart ass , but his style of humor is missed, even though he lives in LA.

Also the newcomers that are full of themselves beating me and my flying house, that is not upgraded (Se5a), really takes fun out of games. They make these sly comments of "I give you time" or "next time ill keep shooting" or even "This is boring, ill finish this". -_-

El video genial y la musica aun mejor