Once again I encounter this guy, he flies at warp speed, rejects normal damage...and insists that he a) isn't any more overclocked than anyone else, and b) understands how to dogfight better than any other chaser I've ever flown against.

The ego on the guy, it's staggering.

SB467. Gen~~~Jack. BluE MaX. Onsekone. Bomer. Rickenfaker.. TheVampire. Von Hulk.

They're okay as far as it goes, and matching them in chases is due only to our shared lack of tactical skill...but it's jimmythegreat we needed to come along and teach us the rudiments of turn fighting because none of his success is the product of a tech edge, oh no no no. It's all in knowing the "shortcuts" (his word) none of us have mastered.

Insisting ad nauseum that he doesn't go any faster than normal despite the dozens of people who've seen and said the same things I have does not make it so. Simply thinking one is simply remarkably skilled does not make it simply so. Citing Zebraup and Ziza purely because they're successful dogfighters who happen to be fellow Win8 users does not make anything anything. Claiming that all PCs and presumably all internet connections are exactly alike and no one device could possibly have a technological advantage over any other is just plain dumb.

When i see a tail screaming by at triple normal speed like a video of itself on fast forward and then I'm single-hit splashed when the tail is barely a millisecond out of my view, that is not mastery of "shortcuts". And on the rare occasions when I get the tail in my cross hairs and it doesn't take ANY damage, that is not about marvelous pilot prowess.

I'm sick of this cocky punk and while I apologize to the friends who had to endure me venting at him this morning I refuse to apologize to the punk himself. He's "thegreat", after all, savviest and most skilled player in Dogfight history, he can take it.

* (Save your typing breath, I don't necessarily think he knowingly "cheats", as in hacks or lag switches or overclocks or whatev. But he knows damn well he's riding some sort of rocket and works overtime to convince himself that it's all in his dogfighting gift. Well, perhaps he's right. Perhaps i'm not experienced enough to know a juiced noob when I see one three different times. coughsargentfuraxcoughloewenhardtcough.)

I saw this guy a couple of weeks ago. He said he had speedhacked pc (or game) for dogfight. At the moment he was playing ipad, but he was going to change to pc to prove the speedhack. Before he changed I had to leave the game.

Only shortcut I know is Flymagics underground.

Yep was in a game with him the other day he's moving way to fast to be running normal. Now I've have been against zebra and ziza. Jimmy makes them look slow compared to how he flying. I've also had him.in head on shooting matches I know I was hitting him dead center as we were that close. Only to have him fly past with no damage and the second he goes past I went down only to see him flying past me heading in the opposite direction of the way he was just going.

onsekone wrote:

I saw this guy a couple of weeks ago. He said he had speedhacked pc (or game) for dogfight. At the moment he was playing ipad, but he was going to change to pc to prove the speedhack. Before he changed I had to leave the game.

Only shortcut I know is Flymagics underground.

But V, there is no difference between PCs. lol

Like I said, I'm not accusing this jimmy character of hacking but I'm up to here with him persuading himself of his greatness when Dogfight is crawling with more talented players who don't need a device or connection advantage to compete. The first time I noted his ridiculous jittery speed I still got in tight with him and busted him up. But the servers have been fraught with crippling lag all last night and this morning, the combination of that and his juiced boost made him impossibly "skilled". LOL! I saw other mid-noobs like him lagging just as hard and it was frustrating enough without the warp drive.

darraxx wrote: Yep was in a game with him the other day he's moving way to fast to be running normal. Now I've have been against zebra and ziza. Jimmy makes them look slow compared to how he flying. I've also had him.in head on shooting matches I know I was hitting him dead center as we were that close. Only to have him fly past with no damage and the second he goes past I went down only to see him flying past me heading in the opposite direction of the way he was just going.

No D...that's skilled "maneuvering". o.O Keep at it. though, with some practice who knows? You might eventually learn some of the tactics essential to being thegreat. Nah, just kidding. Never happen.

Yeah I know.I suck. But thanks to Davy's auto flying device I bought. For 29.95. I've become better.

darraxx wrote: Yeah I know.I suck. But thanks to Davy's auto flying device I bought. For 29.95. I've become better.

Thank you for your money DARRAX, LOL, don't feel alone I suck to but I'm really trying to get good. I have two major problem

1 when I'm flying so fast and see the red in front of me it's only a flash, by the time I see him he's gone lol

2. When someone is on my tail I can't shake him. I can only tie him up.

Somehow, someway I'm gonna figure it out.

Sounds like Mr Mustache

Mustache and Sgt. Furax, exactly who I was reminded of, only worse.

O.O. its the stash not again . been so long I forgot about the stash. but hey I'm still working on my take offs here. Well there is always the practice run I can do. But those guys are hard to shoot down. And who the hell do you fly through those stupid rings.

I've flown with Jimmy multiple times well pretty much every day and I've never seen this warpspeed but maybe that's cause I'm a windows phone user idk. I stay right on his tail when he is on my team and against he drops like another player does slow and painful. But this warp speed How you do it I want to know so maybe against Davy I have a chance lol jk.

I was against him in a bombing mission, and I could've sworn he was dropping, the spinning and looping he was doing. I dropped, he took me right down and bombed my base. Huh. It seems I have stumbled upon a simple formula...
Jimmy w/ bomb> Me w/o bomb.
Not that that's saying much.
But in his defense, put yourself in his shoes. You suddenly find you have this enormous advantage, and it's not your fault.
Would you really deprive yourself of an advantage that allowed you to outplay the greats? I'm not sure I would, in the same situation. Of course, with how bad my dogfighting is, odds are that advantage wouldn't make much difference anyway...

If it had been made as clear to me as it has been to him that I had an unfair technical advantage that far exceeded the boundaries of the normal range of strong and weak connections, more and less powerful devices, I would find another game, no question. Where's the entertainment value in being reviled by people who've invested substantially more time and energy in developing their skill sets without benefit of a cheap edge? Nowhere from where I'm sitting. But then, I don't cheat at solitaire or Words With Friends and I've never cut a jigsaw puzzle piece to fit because I happened to have a killer pair of scissors.

I think it has to do with the same reason we tolerate the kind of infuriating lag that's positively crushing the fun outta the game so far this weekend; we enjoy each other's company, almost like people. Were it nothing more than a game for a game's sake, then I would almost certainly...still not cheat. Solitaire, WWF...y'get the picture. But it's easy to understand the appeal being bulletproof and triple supercharged might hold. A few months back I opened my Real Racing 3 account to find 70-billion in game currency that'd dropped outta the digital blue into my digital lap. I made zero effort to give a digital dime back. Still necessary to advance through the levels to unlock cars and other buyables...and a few weeks later the dough disappeared as mysteriously as it'd shown up. Jimmythegeek isn't earning his way up the ranks like most of us have, he's cruising on a pass while developing a pretty high opinion of the skills he doesn't actually possess. In a Dogfightsphere where everyone save one noob suddenly slowed to a max speed of 40mph the one-eyed noob would be king. King Jimmy I.

Maybe Davy can come up with an ass hat removal device. All for the low.price of 59.99 plus shipping and handling. Could be useful around here. Some of those ass hats are on very tight

Khaos King wrote: I've flown with Jimmy multiple times well pretty much every day and I've never seen this warpspeed but maybe that's cause I'm a windows phone user idk. I stay right on his tail when he is on my team and against he drops like another player does slow and painful. But this warp speed How you do it I want to know so maybe against Davy I have a chance lol jk.

my thoughts exactly..... I just dont understand this at all.... how can Jimmy have this magical superpower speed, just because he plays on PC? And why cant i pull this off when i also play on the same platform and have High Speed Cable Internet? Does Jimmy have some special PC?

Everybody claims he may not know and is just benefiting from a superior device/connection, so why do none of us that he flies with every day notice anything and not have this same superpower? If somebody has answers or maybe even a pic of this magical superpower button that would be great cause none of us windows players seem to have figured this out yet or even have the ability to see this magic in action even when we are in the same match with Jimmy.....weird!

La la la

I drop him virtually at will... say 8 or 9 out of 10 times. He DOES have something going on, his turning speed is faster than mine, but he doesn't actually understand air combat maneuvering, so if you pull a move or three on him he's wide open.

He begged me to show him the 'tricks' that I used to take him down.. like that's going to happen.

Joe, nobody's saying it's a sweeping all inclusive Windows issue. Nobody's saying what it is, only that it is. A severely laggy iPad user doesn't mean all iPad users are severely laggy.

When I've played against jimmywhosis he's been both absurdly hyper-zippy but easy to smoke and absurdly hyper-zippy but impossible to smoke. Obviously he's subject to the same ebb and flow server stability and performance we all are.

I'll submit for the sheeshteenth time; the fact that you lot of squadmates and fellow Win8 jockeys don't happen to notice jimmy's jet propulsion combined with the fact that a slew of us out here in non-Win-land most definitely have seen it and all agree that it's there and all have identical experiences of it...doesn't add up to "it must not exist."

And Zebra, you're about the only other player I've ever encountered about whom I'd say the same as I've said about the jimster, save for the parts about his lack of skill as you've pointed out, a lack from which you do not suffer, and the parts about him being in complete self-serving denial. You and I have gone a few rounds on the comparative merits of playing on Windows8 versus dropping it off something really tall onto something really fatally hard, but I don't think you've taken the, "It can't be true because I'm just so great" tack. We've had some productive exchanges.

It comes as zero shock that you can neutralize this speed freak, you're probably running at closer to his mph. I pulled moves on him that'd have you and I turning for a good long time or keep MaX or Hulk trading advantages with me for twenty minute chases. Jimmy dropped me in a matter of fractions of seconds then derided me for lacking dogfighting skill!

Wigbomb wrote: And Zebra, you're about the only other player I've ever encountered about whom I'd say the same as I've said about the jimster, save for the parts about his lack of skill as you've pointed out, a lack from which you do not suffer, and the parts about him being in complete self-serving denial. You and I have gone a few rounds on the comparative merits of playing on Windows8 versus dropping it off something really tall onto something really fatally hard, but I don't think you've taken the, "It can't be true because I'm just so great" tack. We've had some productive exchanges.

It comes as zero shock that you can neutralize this speed freak, you're probably running at closer to his mph. I pulled moves on him that'd have you and I turning for a good long time or keep MaX or Hulk trading advantages with me for twenty minute chases. Jimmy dropped me in a matter of fractions of seconds then derided me for lacking dogfighting skill!

SERIOUSLY?!? He had the cojones to talk pooh to you like that??? OMG! Now I understand your hardon for this 'lil fella...

I'll be sure to pass on your interest to him each & everytime I see him... in lead...


*edit - & just FYI.. I borrowed a friend of mine's tablet for a couple of weeks just ending recently while he was doing his Naval Reserve training.. I was just as deadly dogfighting after about the 4th day.. (won every dogfight mission I was in) and noticeably better at the head to head shooting stuff... so while I have realized that some tactics I employ while using Windows are less than stellar while using a tablet others actually still work well & some even better. I seriously SUCKED landing with it though... by the last couple of days I was only crashing 1 out of every 4 or 5 times lol!

Wigbomb wrote: Joe, nobody's saying it's a sweeping all inclusive Windows issue. Nobody's saying what it is, only that it is. A severely laggy iPad user doesn't mean all iPad users are severely laggy.

When I've played against jimmywhosis he's been both absurdly hyper-zippy but easy to smoke and absurdly hyper-zippy but impossible to smoke. Obviously he's subject to the same ebb and flow server stability and performance we all are.

I'll submit for the sheeshteenth time; the fact that you lot of squadmates and fellow Win8 jockeys don't happen to notice jimmy's jet propulsion combined with the fact that a slew of us out here in non-Win-land most definitely have seen it and all agree that it's there and all have identical experiences of it...doesn't add up to "it must not exist."

Did this occur in Mess or Vimy by chance? Isnt it possible that because Jimmy is from Australia that he would lag in a server you would not, just as I do when i play masu lakes or artois? When i play in one of those 2 i frequently lag.... And when i see somebody lagging against me they sometimes disappear and then reappear and sometimes at WARP SPEED!!

Now lets take a highly skilled "noob" as you say, and trust me there are some of us at this level that can hold our own..... and then lets show him how to turn up the sensitivity so he can turn faster, then he goes to a laggy server, would that not cause all of the things you are describing? If he is cheating i truly apologize, but i fly with him all the time as do many of us in his squad and he is just always been deadly, and none of us have noticed anything shady, and if he were up to no good, one of us would have seen something. Its not like he sucked and suddenly became GREAT, he has always been DEADLY and him turning up the sensitivity makes him even harder to handle, but not a cheater!

You know i have nothing but respect for you wig as we sometimes have nice chats via email outside of the DF forums, but in all honesty I only poke my nose in here because i know jimmy is a good kid and he has always been a force even before he turned up the sensitivity. And if doing that makes him that good, i say TURN DOWN FOR WHAT? lol

Edit: if he has been disrespectful and gloaty as you say then i have no defense for my friend Jimmy on that, as you know I am big on showing respect to the experienced players as i have with you, Hulk, and many others here in DF! Respect goes a long way, and disrespect can go even further!

Joe, I was careful to clarify that I'm not saying I think jimmy actually cracks or hacks or lag switches or in any way actively intentionally cheats.

Provided the playing field is level there's only so much room for exceptional skill to prevail in this game. Players operating at a given level, say the top level, have the same planes, same terrain, same limited range of available dekes and jukes and curlies and cues...play it long enough and in a group of similarly experienced and ranked players everybody's doing pretty much the same stuff. At which point it becomes a battle of gadgets and wifi speed. And yes, lag.

Naturally you can expect that a buggy player's buggy performance will be affected by some combination of variables including Windows8 Sync Lag, conventional server lag, device processing power, wifi/connection speed, operating system idiosyncrasies, and on and on. We're all subject to such factors. That jimmy exceeds the normal plus/minus range by about 200mph is why we're even posting about him.

I've dogfought with him, I've busted him up, I've been steamrollered by him, I've sat back and studied exactly what his super secret "shortcuts" are when he's been turning with another player...he's unremarkable. Not bad, but by no means not notably good. The only times he's ever beat me flat have been when he's also coincidentally Teflon bulletproofed and can corkscrew through a sideways tsunami of lead without sustaining a scratch then twist and clip me from behind when I'm still seeing the ghost image of his tail plane. It isn't that I don't believe Jimmy to be that good. It's that nobody is that good. The game does not allow for that good. Unless there's a bug.

If SB467 tells me I suck at dogfighting I say, "Yes sir, thank you sir, may I have another sir?" If a moderately skilled semi-noob with a ballsy attitude, a jacked connection and a passive/aggressive relationship with the US servers tells me I suck...

I guess my answer to "TURN DOWN FOR WHAT?" is, "Turn down for screwing over people with a helluva lot more time invested here whose games you're enjoying wrecking." My hope is that anyone with the sense will change servers when they see him in a mission. He can't lag-kill what won't play with him.

Wigbomb wrote: Joe, I was careful to clarify that I'm not saying I think jimmy actually cracks or hacks or lag switches or in any way actively intentionally cheats.

I do believe then that a better title for this thread might have been "Jimmythelag Strikes Again".....cheat is a strong word!

I think we have pretty much come to an agreement that this is more than likely a newer player with High Skill set, yes he may not have the maneuvers that a more experienced player does, no newer player does, but he has proven now and before this was ever an issue that he is a pilot of great skill that can rack up a 3:1 or even 4:1 kdr, and he can still be as skilled naturally just from being a gamer and having played games like this in the past. And what could be happening is that when a player of high skills gets an added advantage of the lag he gets while on certain servers compared to players in the U.S (Imagine Zebra + Lag Advantage...Ouch!), and If this is the case (I do NOT know that it is) then yes Jimmy needs to try and avoid those servers. I do the same with Masu lakes and artois, i only go there if in squad chat the group is heading there, otherwise i choose anywhere else to avoid such lag. It doesnt seem that Jimmy has shown the proper respect when confronted with this, therefore not being able to compromise or hash out the problem and might not even know his server choice could be the cause. So hopefully this is what is causing the problem here, I will talk to him next time i see him and suggest he avoid laggy servers and hopefully we can all have some sort of satisfactory resolution to this issue.

Wig, for what its worth I already do change games/servers when he is in the game, regardless of what side he is on. I have to agree with what I perceive to be your overall sentiment because frankly I don't like the attitude either. Your original post stated something about "shortcuts" he has found. I don't know what that says to you but to me it says there is something funny going on there that isn't aligned with fair game play.

Better? Perhaps. Superior hardware? Likely. Courtesy? Not so much. Humble? Definitely no. Fun to play with? Absolutely not!

Just my .02