So, just for funsidoodles (it's a word, okay?), I've decided to look through some of the top squads and see which ones would hypotheticaly be best in Squad Wars. I say hypothetically for a reason. What I've done is taken FOUR pilots from each of the top squadrons, and balanced out who I thought would win the most matches. Thus, I've created two lists.
One is pure fantasy: for the top-heavy squadrons, what would happen if their four best pilots flew together?
The other is more realistic. The quality of players available at any given time factors more heavily into this one.

LIST ONE: The superstars.
1) M.O.M
Wig, BStrachan, BlueMax, ________
I didn't know who the fourth should be. The three who came to mind were Crazywolf, B.52, and Cricket. If I forgot someone obvious, perhaps someone from the depths of the anals- er, annals, of M.O.M lore. There are 50 MOMRAFS to choose from, after all.

1b) NLR.
XxXxX, 420, Ishan Sang, McFate.
Seriously, how could these guys lose? Ishan Sang is possibly the best head-on shooter I've faced whose name doesn't rhyme with "true wax". Every time he enters my sight, BOOM, I'm dead.
And McFate and 420 AND XxXxX, all spinning around you? Absolutely terrifying. I wouldn't see this Fantastic Four (catchy name, came up with it myself) giving an inch.

2) 121st Misfits.
VonHulk, Misfit Crockett, Monster Cannon, Bhfoust.
I'll probably take flak for putting this squad in third. I'm sorry, look at who was above you. That's tough to beat. Not knocking you guys, either. I've seen my fair share of 40-9 missions out of all four of these wickedly talented brothers.

3) Lafayette Escadrille
ZebraUp, Ziza, Treybien43, That One Guy Whose Name I Can Never Remember But Kill Me A Lot Because He's Pretty Good.
Let's face it. NOT having Ziza on this list would be a downright embarrassment. He's plausibly the best turnfighter in Dogfight, and the only pilot with 10,000+ kills and less than 1000 deaths. And these other three can more than pull their own weight.

4) The next two.
Enigma, 111th Falcons
These squadrons are the oldest in the game, and while they don't have the current Star Power of the four already named squadrons, they've probably got some brilliance hidden in the shadows.

LIST TWO
This list is based on size and depth. For me, the #1 is obviously

1) M.O.M
185+ pilots, of which 50 are MORAF, and nearly 150 are active. This squadron is the one whose tag usually designates the highest ranked player in any given game. That, and of course, the

1b) 121st Misfits.
The second-biggest squadron in dogfight, this big, slightly smelly family is primed to consistently send winning teams into squad wars.
3) Devils Dragons
The squadron with a reputation for giving second chances, these guys have a chip on their shoulder. Watch out for them in the near future


4) Legends/Gunners Inc.
Two relatively new squadrons that developed a core of talent that is rapidly growing together, the number of similarities between these two squadrons is striking. Both developed by passionate creators and sustained by level-headed logicians, these two are names to remember, and forces to be reckoned with whenever this happens.

5) Black Sheep.
Honestly, I'm joking, but the thought literally made me Laugh Out Loud. Hey, did you know that the acronym for "laugh out loud" is "lol?"I'll have to start using that.
But seriously, Pluribus vs. the world. That sounds like a tv show. In this case, a sitcom. I'm kidding, I love you Pluribus.





That's the end of this list, folks. I'm completely ready to get absolutely shredded by Misfits, Falcons, and Zuperman for not including Dogfight Clan (it's a real squadron, you know), but I'll take it. Anything for a little classic, sensationalist debate. Let the hate begin!



Mac

At Enigma we don't need star power, we have saved our money and put together a list of value for money players, allowing us to spend more money on the finer things in life, like single malt scotch and nice club rooms for after the game.

Enigma's finest include guys with a 5:1 KDR, 3 MORAFs from back before there were 1000 of 'em, and several guys who can tank a plan from 5 miles away while sucking back a cold one

Smh.....just smdh

Sorry Mac, I dont think you know the history of the dogfight squadrons or truly what is considered to be the "best squadrons"...many of these pilots in other squadrons and even the leadership of these other squadrons were formed and trained by Enigma and Falcons.

I echo hammer_tools comment and agree.

|111th|tSwopCaml wrote: Sorry Mac, I dont think you know the history of the dogfight squadrons or truly what is considered to be the "best squadrons"...many of these pilots in other squadrons and even the leadership of these other squadrons were formed and trained by Enigma and Falcons.

I echo hammer_tools comment and agree.

Honestly, read before you reply.


I'm not ranking which squadrons I think are the "best to be in" or the "best regarding experience".
I'm talking about, if Squad Wars began today, which squads had pilots that would shoot down other squads' pilots the most.
Like I said, "These squadrons are oldest in the game..... They've probably got some brilliance hidden in the shadows."

The fact is, I don't see Enigmas or Falcons that often anymore. The Enigmas are most Hammer, Dexter, and J (that I meet regularly,) and the Falcons would be Swop, Gaurdian, Killiatary, and Flush.
I'm.not criticizing any squadron. But Swop, name four pilots on 111th that would beat any of the four from the other squadrons I named. THAT'S what this thread is about.

I did understood and read before I replied to what you said and I still stand by what I said.....Mac I could name MORE than 4....

SkyDavis, Guardian, Von Pay, Kevy and a bunch more.

Just because you might not see them at the same time you play doesnt mean they arent as good....I wouldmt say "they are hidden in the shadows"....there brilliance is known already.

|111th|tSwopCaml wrote: .....Mac I could name MORE than 4....

SkyDavis, Guardian, Von Pay, Kevy and a bunch more....

I've got to agree with Swop on this one. There is a lot of talent in the Falcon roster.

Thanks for having the guts to put this out there. In the style of a biased sports announcer too!

(Don't worry, Mac. I'll still let you cash your check even if you mention a few other names. )

You talking about me Mac?
Well if you are thanks for putting me on the list

Por dios hay jugadores en la sombra tan buenos o mejores de los que ha puesto, nombraria muchisimos amigo, no se si llego a jugar con ellos.pero yo tampoco estoy de acuerdo en esos grupos de 4 quiza de alguno si.que sepa que blu max es o fue el mejor, pero tambien yo le derribe unas 25 veces en el aire el 4.jugaba en los rojos, yo cay muchas veces es verdad el menos, yo hice en ese juego 178 el unos 19 mas que yo.casi me que solo blu y otros de rango alto.creo que tengo esa partida guardada la tengo que buscar.no se si la borre fue genial.hay otro monton de pilotos que no se ven casi pero son una autentica pesadilla.yo de mi escuadron estan vela , scombro, tony 69,enzo, matador, capitan pata ect ect .....a muchos ni les vemos.y en falcon enegma y todos los mas antiguos hay muchos pilotos que mejor no tenerlos d rojo se lo puedo asegurar.de ellos aprendi a ser mejor, a ellos me debo.son un espejo en el cual mirarse cada vez que los veo un saludo. (Truducidlo por favor)

Keeping in mind that Squad Wars is simply a myth at this point, I think one thing to consider is not the best pilots in a squad but the worst. A squad that maintains higher standards (e.g., a minimum ranking for entrance) could actually be the squad with the best win percentages.

As far as MOM is concerned I'm sure we'll hold our own but I'm not sure how strong we'll be with tactics. Let's face it, the opposing team offers up cake and we'll all just lose sight of the end goal. I will say that MOM is the only squad to successfully navigate the tunnels from one base to the other in a tank (thanks to Fly Magic) so this is certainly something in our favor (although only a few of us in MOM have been told the secret).

Finally, based on the ordering in the rankings lately, does it really matter who the best squad will be? I mean it's not like we'll be able to tell!

Big[G.I.]Joe wrote: Smh.....just smdh

Amd what makes you say that, Joseph?

I remember when it was jus the 111th and Enigma. It was awesome because it was a lot more simple! Now I dunno who's rivals with who anymore.

With McFate and the other pilot's thank you's, I'm glad to know that many in dogfight dont believe I "bloviate" and know that I said what I said with all due respect to all on this issue.

I just hope we can all have "FUN" with the upcoming squad wars. If it is not fun, I don't see a good reason to do it. And thank you for mentioning me in the same sentence with all the great players listed on here.

Thank you Mac for putting our little escadrille up there in such exhalted company. Lafayette has only been in existence for 6 months and we are def the smallest squadron that you listed & I consider it quite an honor to have us mentioned in the same breath with NLR & Misfits & M.O.M.s & Falcons & Enigma.. some of which who have been around for years!! ( I believe that Enigma & Falcons were the first two squadrons ever?) And you're right not to dismiss squadrons such as DD's & G.I.s, etc...

Anyways we hope to give a good accounting of ourselves despite our small size in Squadron Wars once it actually becomes a reality.

*and btw, the largest 2 squadrons in the game numbers-wise I believe are the 103rd & Dogfight Clan.. but there are a couple of other virtually unknown squadrons out there with some real #'s & depth of talent. They just don't do the forum thing.

baron rojo wrote: Por dios hay jugadores en la sombra tan buenos o mejores de los que ha puesto, nombraria muchisimos amigo, no se si llego a jugar con ellos.pero yo tampoco estoy de acuerdo en esos grupos de 4 quiza de alguno si.que sepa que blu max es o fue el mejor, pero tambien yo le derribe unas 25 veces en el aire el 4.jugaba en los rojos, yo cay muchas veces es verdad el menos, yo hice en ese juego 178 el unos 19 mas que yo.casi me que solo blu y otros de rango alto.creo que tengo esa partida guardada la tengo que buscar.no se si la borre fue genial.hay otro monton de pilotos que no se ven casi pero son una autentica pesadilla.yo de mi escuadron estan vela , scombro, tony 69,enzo, matador, capitan pata ect ect .....a muchos ni les vemos.y en falcon enegma y todos los mas antiguos hay muchos pilotos que mejor no tenerlos d rojo se lo puedo asegurar.de ellos aprendi a ser mejor, a ellos me debo.son un espejo en el cual mirarse cada vez que los veo un saludo. (Truducidlo por favor)

Yes, a team of the Black Eagles best would be very formidable too!

I was happy to see that I was not mentioned as any potential threat!! As a middle of the M.O.M er and probably a cellar dwellar when inactive pilots are factored in, I think this is where Mac was headed. I am no where close to great and barely competent. As one of the worst M.O.M. has to offer, I think I do OK versus the game elite. This is the M.O.M. strength and the Misfit strength. I also believe what Zandor said is true, a champ will never be crowned.

Before I get grilled, roasted, maybe even toasted let me issue the following disclaimer:

The Falcons, Enigma, NLR, Lafayette, the Black Eagles, Dragons and Misfits are consistently the highest quality opponents I face that often get the better of me... repeatedly! There is no intent to put anyone down. I am merely articulating how the long held belief of "Strength in numbers" might play out in Dogfight.

Valid point TXLawman.. but I think you are doing yourself an injustice. You are more than capable of flying against anybody and I have seen you have BEYOND GREAT games.. One of those was why I tried to recruit you, as you are definitely a great player.

And the 'Strength in Numbers' outlook is definitely something to consider.

Being one of the smallest squadrons in Dogfight, Lafayette's 'Strength of Numbers' isn't in the number of pilots we have flying, but rather it's in their quality. Just look at their 'numbers' (statistics) Over 90% of our pilots have a positive k/d and MOST have a k/d of 2:1 or better.. many even higher.

So for who fills in that fourth spot? It doesn't matter! ANY PILOT in the Lafayette Escadrille is more than able to fill it!

Mac wrote: So, just for funsidoodles (it's a word, okay?), I've decided to look through some of the top squads and see which ones would hypotheticaly be best in Squad Wars. I say hypothetically for a reason. What I've done is taken FOUR pilots from each of the top squadrons, and balanced out who I thought would win the most matches. Thus, I've created two lists.
One is pure fantasy: for the top-heavy squadrons, what would happen if their four best pilots flew together?
The other is more realistic. The quality of players available at any given time factors more heavily into this one.

LIST ONE: The superstars.
1) M.O.M
Wig, BStrachan, BlueMax, ________
I didn't know who the fourth should be. The three who came to mind were Crazywolf, B.52, and Cricket. If I forgot someone obvious, perhaps someone from the depths of the anals- er, annals, of M.O.M lore. There are 50 MOMRAFS to choose from, after all.

1b) NLR.
XxXxX, 420, Ishan Sang, McFate.
Seriously, how could these guys lose? Ishan Sang is possibly the best head-on shooter I've faced whose name doesn't rhyme with "true wax". Every time he enters my sight, BOOM, I'm dead.
And McFate and 420 AND XxXxX, all spinning around you? Absolutely terrifying. I wouldn't see this Fantastic Four (catchy name, came up with it myself) giving an inch.

2) 121st Misfits.
VonHulk, Misfit Crockett, Monster Cannon, Bhfoust.
I'll probably take flak for putting this squad in third. I'm sorry, look at who was above you. That's tough to beat. Not knocking you guys, either. I've seen my fair share of 40-9 missions out of all four of these wickedly talented brothers.

3) Lafayette Escadrille
ZebraUp, Ziza, Treybien43, That One Guy Whose Name I Can Never Remember But Kill Me A Lot Because He's Pretty Good.
Let's face it. NOT having Ziza on this list would be a downright embarrassment. He's plausibly the best turnfighter in Dogfight, and the only pilot with 10,000+ kills and less than 1000 deaths. And these other three can more than pull their own weight.

4) The next two.
Enigma, 111th Falcons
These squadrons are the oldest in the game, and while they don't have the current Star Power of the four already named squadrons, they've probably got some brilliance hidden in the shadows.

LIST TWO
This list is based on size and depth. For me, the #1 is obviously

1) M.O.M
185+ pilots, of which 50 are MORAF, and nearly 150 are active. This squadron is the one whose tag usually designates the highest ranked player in any given game. That, and of course, the

1b) 121st Misfits.
The second-biggest squadron in dogfight, this big, slightly smelly family is primed to consistently send winning teams into squad wars.
3) Devils Dragons
The squadron with a reputation for giving second chances, these guys have a chip on their shoulder. Watch out for them in the near future


4) Legends/Gunners Inc.
Two relatively new squadrons that developed a core of talent that is rapidly growing together, the number of similarities between these two squadrons is striking. Both developed by passionate creators and sustained by level-headed logicians, these two are names to remember, and forces to be reckoned with whenever this happens.

5) Black Sheep.
Honestly, I'm joking, but the thought literally made me Laugh Out Loud. Hey, did you know that the acronym for "laugh out loud" is "lol?"I'll have to start using that.
But seriously, Pluribus vs. the world. That sounds like a tv show. In this case, a sitcom. I'm kidding, I love you Pluribus.





That's the end of this list, folks. I'm completely ready to get absolutely shredded by Misfits, Falcons, and Zuperman for not including Dogfight Clan (it's a real squadron, you know), but I'll take it. Anything for a little classic, sensationalist debate. Let the hate begin!



Mac

great list mac, love it!!!
Theres a few squadrons id like to add...

1.The Wolf Pack (these guys are underrated, though u dont hear much about them theyre still dangerous in numbers)
2. The War Birds, smaller squad, more inactive helpfully war bird will figure this mess out, I love to see them out on the batyle field
3. Black eagles (of course) who can anyone for get about pata, scumbro, charli8 and many others?
4. (My squadron) 112th Eagle Squadron, were weeks old but were growing relatively fast. With the new 50 member cap were forced to keep the best and kick the rest (haha I love that)

Thanks for the mention Mac...and at G.I we look forward to these match ups fact is theres alot of great pilots in this game and very lucky to say G.I has quite a few...Just would love to know how the squad wars are gonna work ...once a month week ect?? Tournament style or what ?? This info will be important to all squads due to people showing up ...oh well we will see ...

Mac wrote: 5) Black Sheep.
Honestly, I'm joking, but the thought literally made me Laugh Out Loud. Hey, did you know that the acronym for "laugh out loud" is "lol?"I'll have to start using that.
But seriously, Pluribus vs. the world. That sounds like a tv show. In this case, a sitcom. I'm kidding, I love you Pluribus.
Mac

How would Squad Wars be different from any other day in DF? It's me vs. the world every game I'm in.

Eagle21 wrote:

Mac wrote: So, just for funsidoodles (it's a word, okay?), I've decided to look through some of the top squads and see which ones would hypotheticaly be best in Squad Wars. I say hypothetically for a reason. What I've done is taken FOUR pilots from each of the top squadrons, and balanced out who I thought would win the most matches. Thus, I've created two lists.
One is pure fantasy: for the top-heavy squadrons, what would happen if their four best pilots flew together?
The other is more realistic. The quality of players available at any given time factors more heavily into this one.

LIST ONE: The superstars.
1) M.O.M
Wig, BStrachan, BlueMax, ________
I didn't know who the fourth should be. The three who came to mind were Crazywolf, B.52, and Cricket. If I forgot someone obvious, perhaps someone from the depths of the anals- er, annals, of M.O.M lore. There are 50 MOMRAFS to choose from, after all.

1b) NLR.
XxXxX, 420, Ishan Sang, McFate.
Seriously, how could these guys lose? Ishan Sang is possibly the best head-on shooter I've faced whose name doesn't rhyme with "true wax". Every time he enters my sight, BOOM, I'm dead.
And McFate and 420 AND XxXxX, all spinning around you? Absolutely terrifying. I wouldn't see this Fantastic Four (catchy name, came up with it myself) giving an inch.

2) 121st Misfits.
VonHulk, Misfit Crockett, Monster Cannon, Bhfoust.
I'll probably take flak for putting this squad in third. I'm sorry, look at who was above you. That's tough to beat. Not knocking you guys, either. I've seen my fair share of 40-9 missions out of all four of these wickedly talented brothers.

3) Lafayette Escadrille
ZebraUp, Ziza, Treybien43, That One Guy Whose Name I Can Never Remember But Kill Me A Lot Because He's Pretty Good.
Let's face it. NOT having Ziza on this list would be a downright embarrassment. He's plausibly the best turnfighter in Dogfight, and the only pilot with 10,000+ kills and less than 1000 deaths. And these other three can more than pull their own weight.

4) The next two.
Enigma, 111th Falcons
These squadrons are the oldest in the game, and while they don't have the current Star Power of the four already named squadrons, they've probably got some brilliance hidden in the shadows.

LIST TWO
This list is based on size and depth. For me, the #1 is obviously

1) M.O.M
185+ pilots, of which 50 are MORAF, and nearly 150 are active. This squadron is the one whose tag usually designates the highest ranked player in any given game. That, and of course, the

1b) 121st Misfits.
The second-biggest squadron in dogfight, this big, slightly smelly family is primed to consistently send winning teams into squad wars.
3) Devils Dragons
The squadron with a reputation for giving second chances, these guys have a chip on their shoulder. Watch out for them in the near future


4) Legends/Gunners Inc.
Two relatively new squadrons that developed a core of talent that is rapidly growing together, the number of similarities between these two squadrons is striking. Both developed by passionate creators and sustained by level-headed logicians, these two are names to remember, and forces to be reckoned with whenever this happens.

5) Black Sheep.
Honestly, I'm joking, but the thought literally made me Laugh Out Loud. Hey, did you know that the acronym for "laugh out loud" is "lol?"I'll have to start using that.
But seriously, Pluribus vs. the world. That sounds like a tv show. In this case, a sitcom. I'm kidding, I love you Pluribus.





That's the end of this list, folks. I'm completely ready to get absolutely shredded by Misfits, Falcons, and Zuperman for not including Dogfight Clan (it's a real squadron, you know), but I'll take it. Anything for a little classic, sensationalist debate. Let the hate begin!



Mac

great list mac, love it!!!
Theres a few squadrons id like to add...

1.The Wolf Pack (these guys are underrated, though u dont hear much about them theyre still dangerous in numbers)
2. The War Birds, smaller squad, more inactive helpfully war bird will figure this mess out, I love to see them out on the batyle field
3. Black eagles (of course) who can anyone for get about pata, scumbro, charli8 and many others?
4. (My squadron) 112th Eagle Squadron, were weeks old but were growing relatively fast. With the new 50 member cap were forced to keep the best and kick the rest (haha I love that)

Yes i agree maybe also the us air force squadron
And thank you for mentioning War Birds i appreciate it eagle

Gracias por mencionarnos mac.pero que.sepas que hay muchos pilotos y muy buenos amigo.las.guerras seran unicas, el super hace buen trabajo siempre, supongo que lucharan grupos contra grupos, hasta complerar los 50.demomento no se amplio el grupo.me.da pena por todos los grandes pilotos que.se quedaran fuera.su escuadron sera quien elija a los pilotos mas cualificados, muchos quedaran fuera de las guerras, pero no de los escuadrones, tambien sera un gran momento para seguir mejorando en punteria, habilidad, tactica ect.espero que pronto se haga, el super decidira el momento oportuno. (Yo pediria a los pilotos, sobre todo los que se tengan que ganar o kieran estar en las guerras que se.esfuercen al maximo, para que.su equipo le pueda seleccionar quien sabe? Ese es mi consejo...seguir preparandose al maximo un abrazo.traducirlo por.favor.