This is for the red baron. and I quote (I don't bomb it never ends well) just what are you doing in a 6/2 bombing game. When everyone in the game is trying to have a good game. What gives you the right to drop and then sneak over camp and get nothing more than cheap kills. What makes you so damn special. If you can't fight with a bomb then you should learn to adapt. Just like I hear the bombers should do if not there are plenty of non bombing missions for you to play in. Especially when it's 6/2. As far as I'm concerned your a low class player. All I fan see you doing is taking advantage of bomb carrying planes. All you did was ruin a good game that people were enjoying.

Cuando fue ese juego, yo intentare hacer ganar ais compañeros siempre de la forma, que sea, si es la pelea que estube haciendo anoche, estaba en el aeropuerto despues de bombardear ,4 rangos altos contra mi y no me caian.apuntad mejor, no mato por matar eso se deja para usted...en cuanto si arruine el juego vayase a otro, no tengo por que cambiarme,si veo uno volando sin bomba yo volare como quiera no hay normas impuestas sobre eso.no se a que juego se refiere pero casi siempre llevo bomba 2 a veces, asi que no hable de etica ni quiera dar lecciones a nadie
Si arruine el juego lo siento, aunque es el 1 en quejarse antes de escribir mirese su ombligo.

That game were ours, mad... Thee Red Baron is his name.

Si te molesto quedarte sin el juego por quellevabas muchos kilers, a mi me han estropeado muchos y me he aguantado,yo juego sin pensar que voy a joder a nadie.en el juego que dices me extraña que no llevase bomba igual habia bombardeado ya o algun tanque que tambien lo hago, si estoy lejos de la base me.dedico a cubrir a mis compañeros, si beo que no se puede pasar por que hay 2 moraf y mi equipo es inferior em potemcial aunque mayor en numero , los protejere para que no los.frian es totalmente logico.me gistaria saber quienes eramos esos 6 y quien los 2 rojos, pero eso no es arruinar un juego ire a ganar, en cuanto a lo que dices de qe.aprenda ajugar sin bomba, ni tu te lo crees procura no encontrarte de.frente conmigo que cada dia mejoro mas procura mejorar tu tambiem.eso si en ningun momento me di cuenta de.que.estaba aeruinando el juego como tu dices, sino hubiese actuado de otra manera.

baron rojo wrote: Cuando fue ese juego, yo intentare hacer ganar ais compañeros siempre de la forma, que sea, si es la pelea que estube haciendo anoche, estaba en el aeropuerto despues de bombardear ,4 rangos altos contra mi y no me caian.apuntad mejor, no mato por matar eso se deja para usted...en cuanto si arruine el juego vayase a otro, no tengo por que cambiarme,si veo uno volando sin bomba yo volare como quiera no hay normas impuestas sobre eso.no se a que juego se refiere pero casi siempre llevo bomba 2 a veces, asi que no hable de etica ni quiera dar lecciones a nadie
Si arruine el juego lo siento, aunque es el 1 en quejarse antes de escribir mirese su ombligo.

id can tell theres alot of emotion in the words, but I just do know what hes saying o.o
id he can read ur English text why dont he just type in english also? No bagging anyone here but really......lol
just dont make no damn sence

baron rojo wrote: Si te molesto quedarte sin el juego por quellevabas muchos kilers, a mi me han estropeado muchos y me he aguantado,yo juego sin pensar que voy a joder a nadie.en el juego que dices me extraña que no llevase bomba igual habia bombardeado ya o algun tanque que tambien lo hago, si estoy lejos de la base me.dedico a cubrir a mis compañeros, si beo que no se puede pasar por que hay 2 moraf y mi equipo es inferior em potemcial aunque mayor en numero , los protejere para que no los.frian es totalmente logico.me gistaria saber quienes eramos esos 6 y quien los 2 rojos, pero eso no es arruinar un juego ire a ganar, en cuanto a lo que dices de qe.aprenda ajugar sin bomba, ni tu te lo crees procura no encontrarte de.frente conmigo que cada dia mejoro mas procura mejorar tu tambiem.eso si en ningun momento me di cuenta de.que.estaba aeruinando el juego como tu dices, sino hubiese actuado de otra manera.

I don't want to sound insensitive but I don't speak Spanish. So say what.

I seen something, about two morafs. So what there were some high ranks on the red side with d8s. And a couple of eindeckers so why drop. Learn to adapt. Isn't that what the droppers say. Get a bomb And learn how to fly with one. Stop turning bombing missions into dog fights. Like I said zup lade different missions bombing and non bombing. If you think you can't fly with a bomb stay the hell out of a bombing mission. The only reason your in a bombing game is for cheap kills because you can't hold your own in a non bombing game

I'm on a mission to finish what makes you so many otros.no b52 and no distinction on a mission for me and for most, here nonhay anything, are you in dogfight or on the moon? ah! if you put a housing banned starting ruin someone just ignores him, I always struggle to win the mission who does not like it go to another server, if you want without pump I will, if I want to fly without it I will, if I want to fly 1 to 2 pumps I will, or fall from above, or directions to wherever you or anyone at the moment because global standards with which you are not one to nada.si decurme you'll see my defrente and pump I have que.salir.de.una that game? Go away.

When was that game, I will try to make it win ais companions always the way, that is, if the fight that i was doing last night, was at the airport after bomb, 4 high ranks against me and no better caian.apuntad not kill for killing that is left for you ... as if you ruin the game go to another, I have nothing to change, if I see one flying bomb without volare as you like there are no rules imposed on eso.no game is to concerns but almost always carry a pump 2 times, so do not talk about ethics or want to lecture anyone
If you ruin the game sorry, but is 1 to complain Envision yourself before writing your navel.

If you upset, stay, without the game that wore many kilers, for me, I have ruined many and I have endured, I play without thinking, I'll fuck nadie.en the game you say, strange I do not carry pump, as some had already bombed or tank that also do, if I'm away from the foundation to cover me.dedico my colleagues, if you can not beo go through there are 2 moraf and my computer is less em potemcial although higher in number, the protejere los.frian is to not fully know who we were logico.me gistaria those whom 6 and 2 red, but that does not ruin a game to win ire, as to what you say has to learn to play without the pump, or you believe it seeks not find de.frente me that every day I improve more to help improve your tambiem.eso if I realized at any time de.que.estaba ruining the game as you say, but had acted otherwise.

Yeah. I envision a bombing game as just that a bombing game. Its not a dog fight mission or a ctc game. Especially when its a 6/2 game ok baron we all know your one of the biggest bomb dropping spawn killer in the game. There more to this game than just winning. Why don't you try to figure that out. Some of us want to have fun. And have a good game with people that want the same thing. Is that so jars for you to get through the thick skull of yours. Stop trying to turn every game into a dog fight. If that what you want to do then find a dogfight. Have some type of respect for the others players in this game.

darraxx wrote: This is for the red baron. and I quote (I don't bomb it never ends well) just what are you doing in a 6/2 bombing game. When everyone in the game is trying to have a good game. What gives you the right to drop and then sneak over camp and get nothing more than cheap kills. What makes you so damn special. If you can't fight with a bomb then you should learn to adapt. Just like I hear the bombers should do if not there are plenty of non bombing missions for you to play in. Especially when it's 6/2. As far as I'm concerned your a low class player. All I fan see you doing is taking advantage of bomb carrying planes. All you did was ruin a good game that people were enjoying.[


if his name is the red baron he should like bomb throwing not dropping

"One can become enthusiastic over anything. For a time I was delighted with bomb throwing. It gave me a tremendous pleasure to bomb those fellows from above."

Geez Can't you just be like Zebra and ziza and just play the games that fits your style? They don't like bombing mission will carrying bomb for the most part so they stick to non bomb games you know Dogfight ctc zep missions. Don't go trying to change everyone else playing cause I can bet run into Blue Max , Monster Cannon , VonHulk etc and drop if they see it and drop you still don't have a chance! So it simple really you don't carry a bomb ok we get that then stick non bombing games plz! Don't go ruin everyone's else game we unlike non bomb carrying pilot We who carry the bomb Like long games makes it fun! There my 2 cents is up I'm out!!

kaos darrax've been in fights that last for hours with more de.180 kiler behind my back, if not ruin the game hera my intention, as I said there are almost always games with bombs and bomb game, if someone does not, I understand if they have not otra.forma.de play like you respect him more than that haceis complain and criticize, you have no idea, but were playing well think that bombing would play? you have no idea, that day just bug the game, sorry to say it back to the cabezon heres your, I will not do what you want, who will respect then respect, if you like to dedicate sure comecocos will better, and it seeks to avoid me I'm not afraid of anyone if that's what you're going to say intestas ass and downhill.

I DONT know what some people don't get this is what I see ok. Dogfight is the name of the game yes but Bomb the Base, Bomb the Carrier all take bombs to win the game (means must carry bomb to win) Capture the carrier,Dogfight,Zep missions are all none bombing missions so it seems if you don't want to carry bomb there is more non bombing missions then bombing missions! Why not respect what the mission is and Just play to ur style that's all we saying We are not saying hey do only none bombing missions since you don't like to carry bombs its just a simply please play the missions that best suit your playing style is all. Its your choice really but if ya don't respect others in game then they won't respect you. Now I'm done I don't know how else to explain it so end of story.

Khaos King wrote: ... but Bomb the Base, Bomb the Carrier all take bombs to win the game (means must carry bomb to win) ...

This is not factually true. Many "bombing missions" are won with tanks.

McFate wrote:

Khaos King wrote: ... but Bomb the Base, Bomb the Carrier all take bombs to win the game (means must carry bomb to win) ...quote]

This is not factually true. Many "bombing missions" are won with thanks.

yes true I forgot about tanks lol

Darraxx,

It took me getting killed twice to figure out that Thee Red Baron was dropping. First time, I went into my slow bomb-laden turn and he got me, but I wasn't sure if maybe I pulled too hard and got too slow. Second time, I greased my turn well, and he still got me after half a chase turn, so clearly he had dropped.

Oh well, I know that these games transform into a nice blood match when guys choose to drop. I am not perturbed, and I don't mind getting more points by then dropping my bombs because I'll win the vast majority of chases except with the top dawgs. What I do find revealing of their character is when they then decide to leave the game, as Thee Red Baron did this morning. That tells us that the pilot in question isn't choosing a "different" style of play -- instead, the pilot in question is only seeking advantage in points and kills, as Thee Red Baron did today. Hey, we all seek advantage, but those with even a little character stick around even when bested. I know I do. I got beat up by three friendly but highly skilled players the other day, and stuck it out.

I generally am not a complainer of others' playing styles. As many have said, the game is purposefully made to allow us creativity and strategy. I only chime in here because Thee Red Baron is neither creative nor strategic, and is purely point mongering, by my observation of his moving on to easier points.

I suppose there's the argument that Zup added a Quit button, and therefore quitting is fair game. Fair enough. I'm certainly not saying anyone's cheating. But Thee Red Baron should accept the moniker of Chicken Shit because, well, he is.

Manfred

Sir Rabbit, consider it a compliment that some have to drop to get past you. If they fly with a bomb and can't, what would you expect? I would probably do the same. I have had to sneak against a known dropper. I just couldn't get by him. Now he won't stay in game with me.

'm not faith agreement, not abandonment never un.juego, sie fuy me is that I have to go or that la.conexion me.hecha and can not go back no kiere losing their deaths manfred me you looked like someone else, but I see that was wrong, so far I have not insulted anyone, therefore it is usted.si chicken deaths would only ever volaria-pump and make personal achievements you judge without knowing, nor have seen a very little idea of ​​the game so the game is veo.este de.estrategia who wants to understand who understands, if I did what I said I'm sorry darrax hera not my intention, I've been in the game y9 long is the first time they call me the por.una tencion tonteria.osea not inventeis things are not certain as to hera that day not my intention .... but be clear thing will always fight to win the mission.

baron rojo wrote: 'm not faith agreement, not abandonment never un.juego, sie fuy me is that I have to go or that la.conexion me.hecha and can not go back no kiere losing their deaths manfred me you looked like someone else, but I see that was wrong, so far I have not insulted anyone, therefore it is usted.si chicken deaths would only ever volaria-pump and make personal achievements you judge without knowing, nor have seen a very little idea of ​​the game so the game is veo.este de.estrategia who wants to understand who understands, if I did what I said I'm sorry darrax hera not my intention, I've been in the game y9 long is the first time they call me the por.una tencion tonteria.osea not inventeis things are not certain as to hera that day not my intention .... but be clear thing will always fight to win the mission.

If you did not leave on purpose, then I apologize for the chicken shit comment.
Manfred

What is this thing you call "pump" .. And why would it not be a good strategy to bomb with your best bombers, and escort them with your best fighters?

Pistolfuddyduddy wrote: What is this thing you call "pump" .. And why would it not be a good strategy to bomb with your best bombers, and escort them with your best fighters?

Forgive me for this repost:



Here are some tactical possibilities (other than just sneaking) to deal with a red dropper:


If you're in a bombing game and a red chaser starts dropping, your team can possibly counter him with one blue chaser. The funny thing is you don't need to shoot him, just keep him busy while your teammates make a run. Or if all of your team still insists on carrying, spread out so the chaser can only target one of you at a time while the others shoot at him or just focus on a run. If he goes after one of you while you're spread out, that one should drop and evade as long as possible, again keep the chaser busy as long as possible so the others with bombs can finish the run. If none of the blues drop and stay easy targets it makes it easy work for the red chaser to take out all of the blue bombers. Odds are (especially if a blue also drops) that some blues will make in to a good range to get in tanks. If one does you should consider dropping and covering that tank. Tanks often do a lot of damage, especially if they have good cover.

If the red team all drop to go after your tanks and chasers, as soon as a blue gets killed and respawns back at your base... its perfect time for a sneak. Send one with 2 bombs up or around as everyone else is scrapping mid field. One good sneak with two bombs will put the reds on alert and if they have any sense they will start patrolling for more sneaks. This may take their chaser/dropper out of the middle of the field. In fact, some people have posted about how they have managed to draw defenders away by showing up on the maps to the side/ above or behind the enemy base. This is what I try to do while reds often complain about me "camping". If there are no incoming blues I will do what I can to lead as many reds away as I can. If they choose not to try to follow me I'll go after them. (Not over their base. That's pointless kill mongering, as it keep the reds in position to defend against blue bombers.) Many times I have managed to drag 2 or 3 dropping defenders out of the middle so incoming blues have a much better chance... There is so much going on that a chaser will not just be in the middle picking off bombers.



Come on! Can't you see? There are many ways to play these games! This is "Meta" gaming. This is where you are constantly trying to anticipate what your enemy is up to and they are trying to do the same. If everyone opens up to the possibilities it can be a fantasticly played strategic game. The alternative is what we now have: a game where high ranked, experienced players whine and complain about anyone who does not just go straight up the middle, whether ist's another experienced player or a level 6 noob who has just started playing and has almost zero chance of making a successful run straight on.

Basically, I'm saying that if one red dropper can ruin your whole geme experience, don't you think you should try something new? What good does it do to whine?


So, whine and complain, insult and shame, get upset because someone is playing "unfair" according to a game limiting mindset held by people who have been playing for a year or more, which has no "rules" to enforce it? Or step up your game, engage your brain, step outside of the straight and narrow "valley of death" and make a game which engages all types and skill levels of all players?


Checkers... or chess?

Ok this post straterd about being in a 6/2 game against good pilots. And here comes a dropper going high and coming down on the base. We already had guys going wide going high. If the teams r even do what you want. We only ask that the whole bombing game does not turn into a dog fight and for God sake have some respect for when two guys are defending a base or carrier. When its that lopsided of a match why the hell do you need to drop. Its freaking hard enough to defend against 6 guys coming from all.directions. with out a dropped that sneaks over. Yeah its a good plan but he wasn't even trying to do the whole escort a bomber thing. Of witch I still have not seen any dropper do in the 3 years I've been flying.

darraxx wrote: Ok this post straterd about being in a 6/2 game against good pilots. And here comes a dropper going high and coming down on the base. We already had guys going wide going high. If the teams r even do what you want. We only ask that the whole bombing game does not turn into a dog fight and for God sake have some respect for when two guys are defending a base or carrier. When its that lopsided of a match why the hell do you need to drop. Its freaking hard enough to defend against 6 guys coming from all.directions. with out a dropped that sneaks over. Yeah its a good plan but he wasn't even trying to do the whole escort a bomber thing. Of witch I still have not seen any dropper do in the 3 years I've been flying.

Yea, the lopsided games are rough. But still, what can you do?


What answers do you have for these questions?

1. Why is it a problem for a lopsided game to end?
2. What rules are being broken if they kick your butt?
3. Why not just do your best and see what the next game has in store?
4. What good does complaining/shaming do?



Game hosting would be great and would solve so many of these issues for so many people.

I think it would be a blast if you could "Host" games where you can set a limit to how many are on your side! I would love to go wing to wing with a squad mate where we go "2 vs the world" just to see how long we can last, or if we can somehow pull out a miracle win!

Cat of doom and I once went "2 vs the world" in a bomb the base and won! (there were a few other blues from time to time, but mostly not) It is still my best dogfight memory to date. The thing that made it most possible was that we were in the same room and able to coordinate our plans. (Team chat please!!!!!)

I was dropping and fighting wave after wave. Sometimes I said uh-oh and Cat would come down from a sneak and help me out. He didn't even need to fully engage, just become visable and some of the reds would cut off their attack and go after him because they were so shaken by his successes. Sometimes he could tank while I covered. Sometimes the reds dropped. I made an effort to keep them lined up so they were getting in eachothers way. We did lose some hangars but we won the game.

Or how about every pilot takes it one game at a time? Honestly, there's no answer to these debates. Yes, there is a place for droppers, but 99% of them don't know it. There's a time for every strategy. McFate, that's what you're saying, and Rabbit is saying that if droppers aren't going to comprehend the circumstances when it's appropriate, let's get rid of them altogether.
There is no black and white answer. It's ALL so variable, every debate here is virtually pointless. The only thing we can do is adhere to our own code, and if we don't like other people's code... Well, there's always that lake to Pluribus into.

McFate will put into practice his advice darrax lost when pump is always to protect my computer, if you wanted to make more points without ellas.cuando volaria always helping me qedo usually stay near the mountain even so I say camping, because it's not. Chat hopefully put equipo.yo I have won many battles without going through the middle, not that lo.quiera avoid is qe I like to create different things, so for me and my housemates do not be boring if that is massacred blue are going to make time to arrive and to protect bombardeen.yo've lost big games for me a guy smashing his own hangar, one by one they fell from the sky glared all my big game, other times not only against seven let me not get off the ground .. had snaker, Droper, and massacred goteros.me? never die for me pie.ellos are trying to win the mission with all means, that's normal, that I have to complain about? sometimes you win and other pierdes.cuando I get to mow when I do correct is no way that insulted me, laughed, or similar things, but they always try to be fair to all mundo.eso herrores commit if all this is clear . regarding manfred expected no less from you hacepto his apology.