Not sure if this is another bad glitch but people cant join our squad when they try its saying squads full???? We have 50 so ???? Any help or info on this would be nice?? Can we fix this zuperman??

hmm we have move than 100 in Enigma (last time I counted), so you shouldn't be at a limit

Well I figured that but thats the message were getting...wow seems to be alot of problems with df lately

Also our squad roster has 70 to 80 pilots its only showing 50 ??? Whats going on with that??

squad ownership has presented me with new and unique challenges every day. today is no different.

so, what i can tell just by looking at all this, is that some type of whoopsie has occurred and we'll need to be patient to find out any details.

i did notice that the squad list was in order of rank which was an exciting change. prior to, it was a big jumble of names. the ranks were in ascending order and are now changed to descending order. so that may explain why part of our squad list is cut off. as far as i know, anyone not showing on the list currently is still in the squad.

the main question is why would our squad be full? no clue on that one. i have emailed the problem to echoboom and will wait to see what develops. in the meantime, if any recruits join other squads that's just the way it goes. we're not going anywhere so hang tight, we'll be open again soon i am sure.

Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

thanks for the info zuperman. is there any way for me to view the entire g.i squad list? that way i can figure out how we can get within the right size. 50 sounds like a good number to me. we have some inactive members anyhow.

zuperman wrote: Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

i thought squad wars was just a myth. Been talked about for nigh on 2 years.

zuperman wrote: Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

So zuperman are you saying that mom misfits GI and all squads who have over 50 can't accept any new members???? Wow thats really gonna change some things around the game...

I have over 50 members too, the list for some reason showed me and my air marshals at the bottom until yesterday where it was in right order again, thank you for the info zuperman, i just counted my members i know i have about 95 members, but i can only see fifty of them, may i please see them all,
- thanks
- war hawk

Maybe we will need to start a squad called "The left overs". Or "The Dregs"

zuperman wrote: Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

Thanks again Zup! I think 50 is a good number and is the fair thing to do as to not have one or two squads with a huge advantage over the others.

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Gannet wrote: Maybe we will need to start a squad called "The left overs". Or "The Dregs"

I would suggest misfits,but that's already taken ...lol

[Void] Silencer wrote:

Gannet wrote: Maybe we will need to start a squad called "The left overs". Or "The Dregs"

I would suggest misfits,but that's already taken ...lol

Or "The Scum" or "The Sludge" ?

M.O.M has 185 members, roughly 150 of whom are active at any given time on anything from an hourly to a monthly playing pace. If the database requires smaller numbers in order to function properly we'll deal with whatever we have to deal with. However, it isn't a question of larger squads being "unfair" unless Squad Wars allows for a mission where 100 reds take on 49 blues. Assuming it's still 4 v. 4 the overall squad size should be immaterial. I'm still unclear as to why the size of the pool from which the players in a mission are drawn needs to be a factor...only the players who show up to play can play, and four on four is only ever gonna be four on four.

If squad size limits are going to work it's essential that squads be given the option of allying with each other in-game. We were assured this would be the case back when the subject was first introduced. With the ability to play together as a team large squads can be partitioned into divisions of the umbrella squad and those divisions would simply ally themselves in individual missions or generally on the database, however it needs to be input. Aside from differing tags players on a team could still function as fellow members of their overarching squad.

If not, it means the end of M.O.M, The Dogfight Clan, The Misfits, Enigma and any other larger squad as we know them. Scores of established members will be unceremoniously dumped from squads they worked hard to join and harder to improve and expand. Again, the allies solution should address this - albeit with a truckload of restructuring work for those of us with fifty plus memberships - but that notwithstanding the notion of crushing all squads back down to fifty or fewer should not even be up for discussion.

As a result of the cap many have already began the division of squads without waiting for a more structured response from zup. This cap has created some confusion as only 50 players now show in squad roster in game and some of those listed are non active. Those who are active don't fully understand why they are not in the list compared to those who are in active. A shame that we don't have the option to swap in active players with active and still keep squad size.

zuperman wrote: Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

At some point I hope that it gets raised, as wig has said, In a game of 4 vs. 4 why does it matter? I would think you could make it 200 or 250. It is going to come to that eventually anyway. The game is continually growing. We are turning pilots away every day, Its a shame.

*[M]VonHulk wrote:

zuperman wrote: Yes, I set a limit yesterday. I didn't remove any existing members but maximum number of members per squad will be 50, so any new members trying to join once you reach that limit won't be able to join.

The reason this is done is because for the coming squad wars, having huge squadrons at the moment would be a big advantage over smaller ones. I also ran some stats and found that although some squads have 100 people on them, most are not active members.

I'm still playing around with it, so maybe I raise the number but for now I've limit it to 50 and see how it goes.

At some point I hope that it gets raised, as wig has said, In a game of 4 vs. 4 why does it matter? I would think you could make it 200 or 250. It is going to come to that eventually anyway. The game is continually growing. We are turning pilots away every day, Its a shame.

Well, theoretically, that's what new squadrons are for. And if it is 4v4, then why bother having 100+ pilots? Why even fifty?
The structure of Squad Wars is so clouded, nothing is yet logical. Over at GI, we've just added a puppet squadron to accomodate more recruits. We have no intention to stop recruiting anytime soon.

Well that makes a lotta no sense. The clubs weren't formed to conform to future constraints fercrissakes, we all accept members because we want 'em as members and comrades, not because we're aiming for some arbitrary target number. Don't mistake the forum for an extension of a game app, it's the other way around regardless of how it might've began. I could no more expunge 135 fellow members to get down to 50 than I could force my real-world Mom to choose a favorite fifty of her hundred and eighty five kids.

i've gotta agree that the headache to the larger squads is pretty unwarranted. gunners inc is new enough and small enough to divide with a measure of success. but as for squadrons that have built a legacy over the years by recruiting and supporting new pilots, there shouldn't be a sudden hiring freeze. it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. i am hoping for the best for the large squads that have been a fixture of the dogfight community for so long.

I cant follow the logic either.
One of the appealing basic tenants of DF is that it doesn't dish out fair games, just like real life.

And if you do want to make it fairer, better to limit the number of Morafs per squad, not the quantity of cannon fodder.

Lafayette Escadrille doesn't have any concerns about this squadron size-limit since we have a self-imposed historically-based cap of 38 pilots in order to honor the original Valiant 38

I have however reserved the right as both Squadron Leader & creator to add an additional 5 pilots (corresponding to the 5 French officers that also flew with the squadron) later on if I feel the need.

But I do commiserate with both the long established squadrons like M.O.M. & Misfits and others that have a large family of flyers as well as some of the newer squadrons like Gunners Inc. and others that have recruited lots of pilots so as to give themselves some depth and provide a presence in the game that also allows them to grow.. I feel sorry that any of you have to consider splitting up or making up associate squadrons or whatever in order to adhere to zuperman's mandate.

I assume it's a mathematical or programming requirement for Squadron Wars that drives imposing that squadron size limit cap, but as others have wondered.. why?

I have to guess that it is entirely linked to the actual FORMAT of Squadron Wars.

If the cap exists because it's because of 'averaging' players statistics within each squadron so as to provide a ranking based on those statistics, it definitely helps out small squadrons such as mine who have a high percentage of good & active pilots.

If the rankings in Squadron Wars are based on (as I hope!) squadron vs squadron - 4 vs 4 battles, then why any size cap at all?

I guess we don't know enough about the format of the upcoming Squadron Wars to make any intelligent comments or suggestions to zuperman until we actually know what he has coming.. it's quite possible it is absolutely NOTHING even remotely close to what we have envisioned!

* & really Wig? Your Mom had 185 kids?!?

ZebraUp wrote: * & really Wig? Your Mom had 185 kids?!?

That we know of. I'm pretty sure she farmed out some of the work to temps.

Ok from what I can see there isn't a limit on squad members BUT you can only see 50 in the squad view now. This makes it hard to ban, promote etc squad members. Hope the list limit is fixed.

[e]hammer_tool wrote: Ok from what I can see there isn't a limit on squad members BUT you can only see 50 in the squad view now. This makes it hard to ban, promote etc squad members. Hope the list limit is fixed.

Hey hammer no limit to whats already in your squad minus the things you've listed but if your over 50 you can't accept people neither...Really I guess it kinda makes sense to some point I guess...Alot of big squads will have to adjust I guess...

Hmm I can accept people, but I guess I can't see if they really join or not

that is interesting. people that were trying to join our squad would get the message "the squad is full". this problem gets stranger..