I've noticed that a lot of people here, especially those who earned the MORAF rank are upset that the Zebra is gone. Understandable because they've earned it. Now I'm asking.

Is it the plane itself that you guys miss or the Zebra colors? Is it the aircraft or the paintjob?

Sorry, I just had to voice it out since the Fokker Dr1, which carries the stigma, the bad reputation of being a "Flying Red Brick" from its previous incarnations in this game, is being lambasted eversince it became the new top German plane. To see a plane which was historically among the most maneuverable in its time be considered by many to be second-rate to a plane, the Albatros D.V, that was mostly (IMO) a stop-gap attempt at negating the advantage of the SE5 and SPADXIII, is rather disconcerting and uncomfortable to me.

I'm not trying to sound like the plane's fanboy here but I think Zuperman did the right thing of bringing up the Fokker Triplane to its rightful place. The Zebra colors will be back as per Zuperman. We will just have to wait. I mean, from what I've read about Dogfight's previous history before I joined in, people welcomed Zuperman's decision to take out the Sopwith Camel (former Level 1 plane, Allies side) from the game and bring it back later to its rightful historical place. So why can't we keep an open mind with the Fokker Dr1?

Again, I ask, is it really the Zebra paintjob or the plane (formerly Albatross D.V) that symbolizes one's hard-earned right as a MORAF?

[TFL] Robert33 wrote: I've noticed that a lot of people here, especially those who earned the MORAF rank are upset that the Zebra is gone. Understandable because they've earned it. Now I'm asking.

Is it the plane itself that you guys miss or the Zebra colors? Is it the aircraft or the paintjob?

Sorry, I just had to voice it out since the Fokker Dr1, which carries the stigma, the bad reputation of being a "Flying Red Brick" from its previous incarnations in this game, is being lambasted eversince it became the new top German plane. To see a plane which was historically among the most maneuverable in its time be considered by many to be second-rate to a plane, the Albatros D.V, that was mostly (IMO) a stop-gap attempt at negating the advantage of the SE5 and SPADXIII, is rather disconcerting and uncomfortable to me.

I'm not trying to sound like the plane's fanboy here but I think Zuperman did the right thing of bringing up the Fokker Triplane to its rightful place. The Zebra colors will be back as per Zuperman. We will just have to wait. I mean, from what I've read about Dogfight's previous history before I joined in, people welcomed Zuperman's decision to take out the Sopwith Camel (former Level 1 plane, Allies side) from the game and bring it back later to its rightful historical place. So why can't we keep an open mind with the Fokker Dr1?

Again, I ask, is it really the Zebra paintjob or the plane (formerly Albatross D.V) that symbolizes one's hard-earned right as a MORAF?

Its the paint, not the plane. If the Red Brick was the the Zebra Brick, I dont think to many people would say much...

Its the paint. So many played and devoted so much of their time to reach MORAF just for the prestige of flying the zebra. The plane itself was the same as the D.V. It was just the unique paint that we got to have. Now rumor says that one day we will be aboe to custom paint our planes but even so there will be no distinction. Of all the planes germany flew there was only one red fokker triplane. Everyone knew who was flying it! The top fighter pilot of the war. Now anybody who wants to can get that plane and allied sees 4-7 red barons coming at them. Could be a top pilot, could be a noob. Please give the top pilots some form of distinction.

Zup has it under control The Zebra will be back. Get well soon Zup

ITS THE PAINT JOB BRO, ITS A STATUS SYMBOL...I WORKED VERY HARD FOR THAT!!!!! YOU WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU GET THERE!!!

It is definitely the paint job.. and seeing the Pfalz D.III in a similar paint job is almost like a slap in the face lol!

As to the Fokker Dr1, it's fame is primarily due to Richthofen's dying in his red one, as he had only brought down 19 enemy planes of his 80 or so officially recognized kills in one.

It was a very well handling plane although it was extremely slow. (115mph @sea level)

It was prone to upper wing failures.. for a number of reasons from poor construction to the fact that the upper wing was sometimes over-loaded to a point of 2.55 times MORE than the other wings.

It was only operational for a little over 6 months. Once the D.VII appeared most Dr1's went to training squadrons.

Yes, see back when we earned it, it was a feared yet beautiful paint job that we could say We Earned That. Now that the zebra paint is on a lower class plane, and is glitched to look like the original DV, its like we lost that special award for our dedication and pure stubornness to wanting moraf. I'm sick of seeing people play for 2-3 months then brag "i got moraf i got moraf" they should have flew when we old and veteran pilots here have. It took over a year of pure dedication to this game at several hours a day to earn MORAF. Now its just given away. Honestly, when i see a moraf now. I dont think nothing of it, i dont even congratulate them anymore, it's just to simple of a goal to reach now. I still fear the original morafs that earned their stripes back in the old days when u had to earn ur points, but the new morafs are nothing like the morafs that earned it all those years ago.

tKes (btw, where's your 't'?) I understand the degree of difficulty of getting points & keeping points in missions & so thereby making M.O.R.A.F. in the past was much more difficult than it is now, but I don't think that makes reaching the goal many of us have strived for any less 'worthy'.

Btw, since the Pfalz D.III has a 'zebra' paint job of sorts, if zuperman isn't going to change it then perhaps when the new planes come and HOPEFULLY the Fokker D.VIII takes a new tier 6 top spot MORAF's can get it looking like this:

This D.VIII is painted in the scheme of Gotthard Sachsenberg, a German ace with 31 victories to his name and winner of the “Blue Max”.

[*M]yNuts wrote: ITS THE PAINT JOB BRO, ITS A STATUS SYMBOL...I WORKED VERY HARD FOR THAT!!!!! YOU WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL YOU GET THERE!!!

[*M]yNuts, I assume your post was responding to me. Oh, I get it alright! I want those stripes too and I am coming to get them. Did you read my other post?

dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/3-feedb...made-top-plane-again

I understand zebra, ur one that earned the skill to be called moraf, but people like B 52, who earned moraf in a month. That sickens me. I remember when I flew 5 hours a day for a month to get passed 3rd 1 first air marshals. That was almost unheard of back then. I dont mean to sound rude or disrespectful but its just how I think of it these days. I look at it like this, a navy seal goes through serious training before earning their seal, globe, and anchor. But what if the seals started gerting the Eagle, globe, and anchor with less effort and took the training of a common airforce member. The feeling and respect isnt the same because, yes they earned it, but it wasnt nearly as hard as it was for the older guys who went through all that massive and extensive training.

Also, I got rid of my t. Its temperary.

If there's a Tier 6 plane I'd love to see the D. VII. Said to be the best plane in the war, though much of that, I think, was do to it's sturdiness and reliability (two very rare things in WW1 planes lol) rather then out classing the others in flight performance. If not a Tier plane, D. VII could be the MORAF's plane? But to be honest, I'm probably just using this as an opportunity to rally for a D. VII

Hope ya get better soon Zuperman! Praying for a quick recovery.

I miss the Zebra DV.

If you have ever restored an old car including new paint, you'll understand that a new paint job can make a big difference on your driving experience. Vanity?....Yea. but still... You feel better when you look good, no?

I have no problem with the Dr1 being a top tier. I just don't see why it should be the only top tier plane. I wish that it had slow top speed with a maneuverability advantage above all others. On the allied side the spad and the SE5a could share the top spot With a maneuverability advantage for the spad but better bomb carrying performance from the SE5a.

Having more than one top tier plane would provide more variety in the skies. People would have more appreciation for the variety of planes Zuperman has put into this game. Most high rank pilots only seem to fly the top planes. The most common exception is the mono wing because it has an actual unique advantage of being hard to hit. It would be great to have a few other planes with unique advantages. Perhaps a slow bomber with more than one bomb/ or can take more than two hits? Or one that is really fast but not so maneuverable?...

*sigh*

That said, this is my all-time favorite game and as much as I would like to see perfect performance and constant flawless upgrades, I would still play if it never changed from how it is today.

Thanks, Zup. Keep up the good work.

Thank you for everyone's responses. The reason why I asked is because I saw a number of folks here (not dropping names since its rather moot to do so) bashing the Fokker Dr.1. I got confused as to whether its the plane or the paintjob that folks are after once they reach the MORAF rank.

@Zebra
You're spot on with your information as always, thank you for the additional input.

@McFate
Now that you've mentioned, there's the personal preference or vanity angle that I admit I missed out when I was looking at this.

@[*M]yNuts
Whoa, easy there buddy, I understand you're pretty much ticked off about the Zebra colors since you worked hard for it but don't you think it's a little too much overkill to post in all-caps?

Lol Robert. That pete for u, he ALLLLLWAYS POST IN ALL CAPS LOL

McFate wrote: I miss the Zebra DV.

If you have ever restored an old car including new paint, you'll understand that a new paint job can make a big difference on your driving experience. Vanity?....Yea. but still... You feel better when you look good, no?

I have no problem with the Dr1 being a top tier. I just don't see why it should be the only top tier plane. I wish that it had slow top speed with a maneuverability advantage above all others. On the allied side the spad and the SE5a could share the top spot With a maneuverability advantage for the spas but better bomb carrying performance from the SE5a.

Having more than one top tier plane would provide more variety in the skies. People would have more appreciation for the variety of planes Zuperman has put into this game. Most high rank pilots only seem to fly the top planes. The most common exception is the mono wing because it has an actual unique advantage of being hard to hit. It would be great to have a few other planes with unique advantages. Perhaps a slow bomber with more than one bomb/ or can take more than two hits? Or one that is really fast but not so maneuverable?...

*sigh*

That said, this is my all-time favorite game and as much as I would like to see perfect performance and constant flawless upgrades, I would still play if it never changed from how it is today.

Thanks, Zup. Keep up the good work.

I agree a lot with this McFate.. especially the idea of different characteristics to each of the different top tier planes..

The Dr1 could have that extra handling/manuever star but only 2 stars top speed - 2/4/4

The soon to be coming Fokker D.VIII could have the standard 4/3/4

On the allied side the Spad XIII should be a top tier plane.. it was one of the 2 fastest planes in WWI and could out-dive & outrun almost anything.

SE5a should be faster while carrying bombs than any other plane.. it was one of the few fighters developed with multiple bomb-carrying & release apparatus as well as good flight characteristics while carrying them. It was also fast without a bomb.. roughly the same top speed as the Spad XIII but a little slower diving and lacking a little of the maneuverability of the Spad as well.

The hopefully coming Sopwith Camel should be a top tier plane able to turn right faster than any other plane in Dogfight.. but turning left should be equal with a tier 2 or 3 plane.

Of course I have no idea how difficult to write the programming for all this is.. it might not be possible within the constraints of this game.. but I certainly LOVE the idea!

[*M] Kestrel wrote: Lol Robert. That pete for u, he ALLLLLWAYS POST IN ALL CAPS LOL

Lol, I have yet to meet all the interesting people/ characters here in the forums at least

[TFL] Robert33 wrote:

[*M] Kestrel wrote: Lol Robert. That pete for u, he ALLLLLWAYS POST IN ALL CAPS LOL

Lol, I have yet to meet all the interesting people/ characters here in the forums at least

lol, yea he uses all caps a lot. Some people here are sketchy, but most are ok and I'd approach them in public without the worry of being kick, robbed, or arrested lol

Back in 2000 or so the us army adopted the black beret as standard uniform. The rangers had previously been designated this color beret as their standard headgear. When it became common for every soldier, this elite unit choose to adopt the brown beret. Dogfight-world-wise the situation is similar. MORAF are the elite of the game and would like to have the distinction of their zebra stripes if they choose, but not to have any air commodore with bought points fly the same plane as them.