Wumper wrote: I don't know how to stop this cheating, but we now know one thing "FOR SURE", this is not caused by a communication bug, or lag, as Zuperman wants you tobelieve, it is a man made device played only on a PC, USING WINDOWS 8.

Stuart/Wumper, I have yet to play with or against you, but I believe you are a good man. Hear me out on this one: The answer to your questions is LAG. Let's say I am using 3g Wi-Fi in a remote jungle in, say, Vietnam. I should be playing in Artois, right? But, what if I am playing in Vimy Ridge? This is a server HALFWAY across the world. Of course there is going to be an amazing amount of lager, and I will most likely be skipping and unkillable. If I am unaware of this, and I don't speak English, players telling me "Butch, you are lagging" won't make any sense to me. On the other hand, If I am lagging, purposely using servers where I KNOW there is lag, and taking advantage of that lag, then I am cheating.

Now, for the Windows 8 thing: I use a windows 8.1 RT on an ARM device (tablet), and I rarely lag. That being said, I could set up a "lag switch" on my router with a button and a soutering iron. I don't need to be using a laptop. I could be using a mobile device and I would still be "lag switching".

Hope this clears up a few things.

Well, even I see what he is saying I flew with a guy called HHHH yesterday. And he flew fine and dandy, that is untill u shot at him. Then he would disappear, only to reapear at ur 6. U mean to tell me THATS lag? if is is, its severely controlable by one person.

This controllable lag is not limited to Windows & wifi players alone.. there are lagging & flooding programs available to Android users too..

If using a lag switch or a program to gain an unfair advantage on the battlefield was not a real thing & just a conspiracy theory in our heads why would other gaming sites have entire threads also dedicated to it along with the moderators/administrators stating that anyone discovered using such a device/program would be immediately banned?

im not going to get to involved but lag is caused by a poor connection. I fly using windows 8.1 laptop and every now and then I have lag but its a simple fix. All I have to do is restart my laptop which takes 3 minutes and I have experienced lag on my android phone. every online game has lag just depends if your connection is good or maybe a sever is down. Lag could be caused by poor weather conditions and ive seen you lag from time to time and some top pilots on this game I have seen lag. Its not cheating just the device running on a poor connection which causes the plane to skip across the screen so its pretty much the plane or surroundings catching up with each other.

and if you do use windows 8.1 lag could be caused by your laptop needing a update which has happened to me before and those updates solved the lag problem. If and when I have lag its normally in the morning or late at night so its just the connection you have at that time and has nothing to do with echoboom or Zup just a poor connection.

Now there is something called a lag switch but that requires the ether cable to be hooked to your laptop which has the lag switched wired into it and a lag switch can be made out of a standard light switch but yell no when someone is lag switching because it causes a server skip which normally last 1 or 2 seconds and that pilot will be flying great until hes rate next to you because if the switch is left on to long or that pilot uses it frequently it will completely dis connect you from that game your currently in and I know for a fact that Microsoft has the ability to do a console/device ban for online games because lag switching is a big problem for large game corporations.

so in summery its not cheating just bad connection in most cases which causes the lag but a lag switcher is very easy to spot in the behavior how his plane in this case acts and the lag switch allows you to freeze the "plane" or object the enemy is using tank, ground soldier, para trooper etc.
Normally its used in war games that require a game console like xbox and play station where its affective but it also works on games like this

Wumper, you are one of my favorite pilots and have always been a fine pilot and fine Falcon. Dont get too frustrated. Also, you know I'm an old-timer and I still play. Dont let what goes on around you get you down from this wonderful game. I know it all can be frustrating. I just want to say that you are a joy to play with.

tSwop

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adding to my last post:

if the lag switch is left on for 20 seconds or more the console will pick it up and kick/boot you from the game and log you off from the internet and I don't know if echoboom has the ability to automatically pick that up.

I do understand where your coming from wumper though.

Wumper wrote: Butcher, thanks for your comments.

I understand what you are suggesting. However consider this sceen: enemy planes flying off to your side. You lead the plane, and you spray bullets at him and as your bullets approach his plane, his plane stops, in mid air and his plane backs up So you stop shooting and the plane continue flying normally. So you fire at him again, and again his plane stops and backs up.

Then his plane just disappears and seconds go by and he reappears. So I fly up towards him and his plane swirled around and darts from one side to the other, avoiding getting shot at. So you give up. While all this is happening all the other players are flying normally.

So.....two hours later you play that same player again, in a different game, and guess what.....right it happens again.

So the question becomes, why is this type of action not happening to all of us. Why only to certain players.

Now Butcher, I understand communication, and lag. Lag is sporadic not planed action. It is not only happening to one player. Lag is a slowing down, or in some cases, your own bullets shoot you down. Lag is a momentary pause. A pause.

This action I mentioned only started happening when Window 8 was permitted in the game.

I wish it was only a simply lag.

When you see this strange action, and you call it on the player and they laugh at you. FU, (sorry) is their reaction.

That's one of the wonderful things about a switch: You can turn it ON and OFF whenever you want. And when I say "switch" I mean this:


And, yes. I know what I am talking about. I am a roboticist, so I know my way around circuits. The "lag switch" circuit can be done with very little circuitry knowledge.

[LF]Mr.Becken wrote: adding to my last post:

if the lag switch is left on for 20 seconds or more the console will pick it up and kick/boot you from the game and log you off from the internet and I don't know if echoboom has the ability to automatically pick that up.

I do understand where your coming from wumper though.

Kinda funny you mention this...i played a game where this exact same thing happened. I shot and shot and shot...he killed me after reappearing. The next go around, he was approaching my base..i shot and shot...he disappeared..reappeared behind me, bombed, the "left"...perhaps booted?

[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote:

[LF]Mr.Becken wrote: adding to my last post:

if the lag switch is left on for 20 seconds or more the console will pick it up and kick/boot you from the game and log you off from the internet and I don't know if echoboom has the ability to automatically pick that up.

I do understand where your coming from wumper though.

Kinda funny you mention this...i played a game where this exact same thing happened. I shot and shot and shot...he killed me after reappearing. The next go around, he was approaching my base..i shot and shot...he disappeared..reappeared behind me, bombed, the "left"...perhaps booted?

by any chance was his name tum THAILAND ?

I guess it is possible those symptoms could be achieved using the wifi toggle key on a laptop. Might be worth testing it at 3000 ft and a video capture tool to see if the symptoms match up.

And yet Zup never replied to this thread?

Gloria,. wrote: And yet Zup never replied to this thread?

Yes he did.. he started his own thread about it all..

www.dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/2-g...conspiracy-theorists

[e]Black Shadow wrote: I guess it is possible those symptoms could be achieved using the wifi toggle key on a laptop. Might be worth testing it at 3000 ft and a video capture tool to see if the symptoms match up.

On my laptop, The wifi button is right next to my sound. So I went to turn off the sound while I was flying once, and accidentally hit it. I was disconnected and didn't get any messages, Then a few seconds later (4-6) I got the Connection Lost screen. Didn't know what happened till I tried to get on the internet again


Grrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I respect what you're saying, Wumper, and even sympathize and agree with some.
I do believe that lag switches have been and are being used, by a growing number of players. But the assumption that every player that oags when you start to shoot at him is switching is incorrect, as is the idea that the game is dying.
When i enter a game, if I'm going to lag, it takes about 15-20 seconds to make itself apparent, about the time it takes to sight an enemy pilot. THE MORE PILOTS AROUND, THE WORSE THE LAG. That is key. When four reds pop into sight, I'm more likely to lag than when one.
A bout of lag usually lasts me 30 seconds to a minute at the worst, after which either everything will move in fast motion, i will die multiple times, and i will get credit for bombing or about half of the kills i actually earned, OR i will disconnect. Either way, it's annoying as purgatory. So if it seems that some players only lag when you shoot at them, that is precisely correct. Except it's unintentional.
As for the game dying, little could be further from the truth. A few weeks ago, we gained 100,000 people in 24 hours. Even if only one in five people play, that's still over 20,000. If we do not have 150 MORAFs yet, we are very close. For every troll, cheater, and fool, there is a pulot with a morale and a gun of gold. Even when the in-game activity slows, the forum is bustling. In the last month, I've seen the avaerage number of members on forum at any time go from 12-16 to 30-35.
When Squad Wars comes, we'll only continue to grow, and perhaps the majority of laggers will be weeded out then. Just kidding, squad wars is coming when Elvis and Santa perform on the moon.
This game is changing, absolutely. And sometimes, not for the better, but that can't be helped. But this game is far from ruined. Until then, let's buckle down and shoot some reds!


Salutes all around
Mac

Game has gone south since the widows players started playing. Can we go back to old days?

Lag can also be in your device. If it has a power save feature turn it off, can help. Typically distance is the biggest contributor,but I've seen a mobile network add 300ms RTT (round trip time) to a connection (satellite adds about 200ms each way)

Some players are accessing the game from remote locations , over dodgy nextworks. It's frustration for others, bit not ugh Zup can do about it.

Stuart, I'm sick of your accusations and I won't allow them any more. Next time you insinuate I lie with things like "Zuperman wants you tobelieve" and such, I'm going to ban you for life. I will not tolerate more bullshit on your part. I already explained what is happening and I have nothing to win/lose if that was not the case, but I do have much to lose if I tolerate behavior like yours where you can come up and insult anyone you feel like.

Next time you are out. I'm making myself extremely clear.

Shit lag happens. I was just in game and put 5 bullets in some Asian guys plane. I turned on another enemy and soon bullets started passing over my head from behind. I didn't call anybody out for cheating. I just turned and shot again a few times and this time my bullets worked like they usually do. In turning fight it takes only half second lag on my device, enemy device or server and it is easy to miss.

I always test my connection before playing. Yesterday I was called out for cheating with lag device and my connection was over 7M before and after the game. And btw I have no lag device... For some reason there is sometimes connection issues between servers and my network provider. There is not much I can do about it. Except take a brake. And north European server is closest to me but it is also worst. Well, maby after pacific servers.

onsekone wrote: There is not much I can do about it. Except take a brake. And north European server is closest to me but it is also worst. Well, maby after pacific servers.

Where are you located? I'm curious because you said north european servers should be faster

I experience some odd lag events myself flyin on the US servers. Pesky lil buggers disappear when I start firing atem..
Wish I could get that lucky.lol gotta say appe has the worst connection ever every game I play jes in we will have three planes on his six oumpin rounds in his rear. Always try to talk to him bit get no response could be a language barrier bit Id think if u saw ir name ud habe somesort of response...kills never register till literally 5 min later...buddy needs a signal booster.lol

DD | *Joker* wrote: I experience some odd lag events myself flying on the US servers. Pesky lil' planes disappear when I start firing at them. Wish I could be that lucky...lol. I got to say my apple device has the worst connection ever. Every game I play with jes, our team will have three planes on his six pumping rounds in the rear of his plane. I always try to talk to him bit get no response, it could be a language barrier but I would think if you saw your name you would have some sort of response...kills never register until literally 5 min later...buddy needs a signal booster.lol

I translated for those who don't speak Dragon. Did I get it all right?

DD | v/hiplash wrote:

DD | *Joker* wrote: I experience some odd lag events myself flying on the US servers. Pesky lil' planes disappear when I start firing at them. Wish I could be that lucky...lol. I got to say my wifes apple device has the worst connection ever. Every game I play with jes, our team will have three planes on his six pumping rounds in the rear of his plane. I always try to talk to him bit get no response, it could be a language barrier but I would think if you saw your name you would have some sort of response...kills never register until literally 5 min later...buddy needs a signal booster.lol

I translated for those who don't speak Dragon. Did I get it all right?

hahahaha sure did bro.lol

zuperman wrote:

onsekone wrote: There is not much I can do about it. Except take a brake. And north European server is closest to me but it is also worst. Well, maby after pacific servers.

Where are you located? I'm curious because you said north european servers should be faster

In Finland.