Hi,

I think Davy would make a good Mod!

But for those who are still doubting that, why not have a test where everyone can send in his 'tough calls'.......just to be sure?

An example:

Q: Is this a bannable offence?




[ ] Yes
[ ] No

*D~x~P-29* wrote: I vote myself and nominate davy, ... the more the better... let the policing begin..

I would like also to nominate myself as a moderator.
My stance on gay marriage is go for it, why should us hetro's be the only miserable couples.
Also I would be fair to all, except all the religious nuts on here I'd ban them.

Davy Crockett wrote: Thanks guys. What I would really like to be involved in is the quickness of being able to ban and/or mute someone almost within minutes of being posted on blacklist if proof is valid. I'm interested in the fragrant abuses that there is no denying the offense. I am in a position to be able to do that, I believe I could provide a service to the game and the players we all love.

As for the grey areas, well I would probably want to leave that up to the WIG and the other experienced moderators. Many grey areas may be grey to one person but not grey to another and I believe the currant moderators do a good job at that. Perfect, well hard to tell because if they make one group happy than they upset the other side. THATS A TOUGH JOB FOLKS.

Thank you for the endorsement, DC. I appreciate your respect for what we Mods do. No, it isn't easy. In fact it can, and frequently does, ruin your personal playing experience. I, for one, spend an inordinate amount of playing time instead sitting dead still, negotiating in chat with some misbehaving player or one who can't or refuses to understand the simple logic of how these things should ideally work, Mods are bombarded with attack chat in-game from players, usually noobs and often but certainly not always kids, busy testing the limits of what they can get away with. Defiance of authority is to be encouraged in our youth, but it derails your game and you rarely get back on track. My 200 kill games would be 300s if I weren't constantly besieged with pleas from abused players asking me to step in and take action when I've only just entered the mission. On some days it's all you find yourself doing; no major kill scores, no hangar arson, just busting jackass after jackass. Believe me, it grows old fast.

But we Mods do it because we're devoted to keeping the game fair and clean, a place for kids where parents (many of whom play, themselves) can trust that nothing inappropriate is likely to assault the senses of their children when in our care. Sure, we volunteer to do this for free, but there isn't a single Mod who doesn't take that responsibility deadly seriously. I want those young Dogfighters treated as well and with as much concern as I'd want my own to be treated were I to have had any.

Joaquin appointed a nearly complete new complement of Mods not too long ago. The process was an major, one time undertaking that demanded his attention and required a fair amount of time. We Mods feel that we're adequate and equal to the challenge. Adding more Mods to wield more authority to Mute and Ban more noobs and trolls is like trying to turn back the tide with a Swiffer wet mop. The database can be adjusted to auto-censor more and more words and word variants, it just takes time. I spend more time in there lately, I've seen the trolls. They're kids seeing what they can get away with. No amount of additional Mods is going to stop that pattern. Consider the scale of the influx of new noobs blitzing through the noob server in a matter of days and arriving at "the show" with zero etiquette, politeness or in-game respect having been instilled in them from the fellow clueless underage noobs with whom they been playing for a week or two. They come from the wild west with little skill, attitude aplenty, no frame of reference for "game cops" or rules or protocol or common courtesy.

Will all that having been said before and more eloquently, there's this; since the Mods were appointed a number of new squads have been launched. Of these squads most will either peak and never grow stronger, a select few will take hold, build, gain respect and be able to compete with many of the mid-range and higher squads. Enigma being by far the most respectable of the two or three pre-M.O.M squads I've never had any qualms about there being two Enigma affiliated Mods. But to add another M.O.M, Black Eagle, NLR or CAC member would be to overlook such stellar candidates as Zebraup repping his new squad, or COBRA, his, or Reckless, whom I find to be a thoughtful, balanced, fair-minded and dedicated young man and a member of an un-represented squad.

For obvious reasons I would love more than anyone to see another M.O.M as a Mod if for no other benefit than intra-squad conflicts and politics, but the group we have now does remarkably well in keeping these flaps in check and preserving our high mutual regard. Martin would make a brilliant M.O.M Mod. Von Len another, and YEMX I'd trust with my kids. (if I had any) Zebraup from his squad, VonKopp and McFate from theirs, Black Flag from his...and what I regard as the most logical approach, unaffiliated players like Samweb, 1001, CRAZYWOLF. Honest, forthright, personable, clean, respectful players who play a lot, have a passion for the game, could be trusted to keep personal considerations out of the process...I could go on.

I do not doubt for a moment Davy's sincerity or that he'd bring every resource he has to bear on the gig. And I do not know of any pressing need perceived by Joaquin to immerse himself in the Mod hiring process when emergency game glitch issues created by last weekend's defective update need to command his full attention. I don't want his eye off that ball until soldiers can once more walk to tanks, lag is reduced back to barely playable levels, flight feels less like a nightmare slog through molasses while dragging an anchor...and Windows players are segregated to the new Siberia server where they'll never darken our doorway again. (sorry Two Ton, I'll stake you to an Android tab)

Meanwhile we Mods continue to do what we do and do it rather well, if the daily bitching from banned players is any indication...perhaps some help down the line at some point will be worth exploring then.

--w--

Wigbomb wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Thanks guys. What I would really like to be involved in is the quickness of being able to ban and/or mute someone almost within minutes of being posted on blacklist if proof is valid. I'm interested in the fragrant abuses that there is no denying the offense. I am in a position to be able to do that, I believe I could provide a service to the game and the players we all love.

As for the grey areas, well I would probably want to leave that up to the WIG and the other experienced moderators. Many grey areas may be grey to one person but not grey to another and I believe the currant moderators do a good job at that. Perfect, well hard to tell because if they make one group happy than they upset the other side. THATS A TOUGH JOB FOLKS.

Thank you for the endorsement, DC. I appreciate your respect for what we Mods do. No, it isn't easy. In fact it can, and frequently does, ruin your personal playing experience. I, for one, spend an inordinate amount of playing time instead sitting dead still, negotiating in chat with some misbehaving player or one who can't or refuses to understand the simple logic of how these things should ideally work, Mods are bombarded with attack chat in-game from players, usually noobs and often but certainly not always kids, busy testing the limits of what they can get away with. Defiance of authority is to be encouraged in our youth, but it derails your game and you rarely get back on track. My 200 kill games would be 300s if I weren't constantly besieged with pleas from abused players asking me to step in and take action when I've only just entered the mission. One some days it's all you find yourself doing; no major kill scores, no hangar arson, just busting jackass after jackass. Believe me, it grows old fast.

But we Mods do it because we're devoted to keeping the game fair and clean, a place for kids where parents (many of whom play, themselves) can trust that nothing inappropriate is likely to assault the senses of their children when in our care. Sure, we volunteer to do this for free, but there isn't a single Mod who doesn't take that responsibility deadly seriously. I want those young Dogfighters treated as well and with as much concern as I'd want my own to be treated were I to have had any.

Joaquin appointed a nearly complete new complement of Mods not too long ago. The process was an major, one time undertaking that demanded his attention and required a fair amount of time. We Mods feel that we're adequate and equal to the challenge. Adding more Mods to wield more authority to Mute and Ban more noobs and trolls is like trying to turn back the tide with a Swiffer wet mop. The database can be adjusted to auto-censor more and more words and words variants, it just takes time. I spend more time in there lately, I've seen the trolls. They're kids seeing what they can get away with. No amount of additional Mods is going to stop that pattern. Consider the scale of the influx of new boobs blitzing through the noob server in a matter of days and arriving at "the show" with zero etiquette, courtesy or in-game respect having been instilled in them from the fellow clueless underage noobs with whom they been playing for a week or two. They come from the wild west with little skill, attitude aplenty, no frame of reference for "game cops" or rules or protocol or common courtesy.

Will all that having been said before and more eloquently, there's this; since the Mods were appointed a number of new squads have been launched. Of these squads most will either peak and never grow stronger, a select few will take hold, build, gain respect and be able to compete with many of the mid-range and higher squads. Enigma being by far the most respectable of the two or three pre-M.O.M squads I've never had any qualms about there being two Enigma affiliated Mods. But to add another M.O.M, Black Eagle, NLR or CAC member would be to overlook such stellar candidates as Zebraup repping his new squad, or COBRA, his, or Reckless, whom I find to be a thoughtful, balanced, fair-minded and dedicated young man and a member of an un-represented squad.

For obvious reasons I would love more than anyone to see another M.O.M as a Mod if for no other benefit than intra-squad conflicts and politics, but the group we have now does remarkably well in keeping these flaps in check and preserving our high mutual regard. Martin would make a brilliant M.O.M Mod. Von Len another, and YEMX I'd trust with my kids. (if I had any) Zebraup from his squad, VonKopp and McFate from theirs, Black Flag from his...and what I regard as the most logical approach, unaffiliated players like Samweb, 1001, CRAZYWOLF. Honest, forthright, personable, clean, respectful players who play a lot, have a passion for the game, could be trusted to keep personal considerations out of the process...I could go on.

I do not doubt for a moment Davy's sincerity or that he'd bring every resource he has to bear on the gig. And I do not know of any pressing need perceived by Joaquin to immerse himself in the Mod hiring process when emergency game glitch issues created by last weekend's defective update need to command his full attention. I don't want his eye off that ball until soldiers can once more walk to tanks, lag is reduced back to barely playable levels, flight feels less like a nightmare slog through molasses while dragging an anchor...and Windows players are segregated to the new Siberia server where they'll never darken our doorway again. (sorry Two Ton, I'll stake you to an Android tab)

Meanwhile we Mods continue to do what we do and do it rather well, if the daily bitching from banned players is any indication...perhaps some help down the line at some point will be worth exploring then.

--w--

A short while back, i asked a couple of the Mod's if they would let Zuperman know that i was interested in becoming a Mod. I'm sure Zup knows of my desire. If and when any of the players that you mentioned become Mods, I'm sure they will all do a fine job. Thank you for what you do, sir wig.

Thanks WIG. Your points are valid and well stated. You are correct that there are a lot of folks who would make excellent MODS if needed. I also know and have seen some of the crap that you guys have to put up with, that's gotta be tough sometime.

Please keep me in mine for future reference because I am serious. I know the moderators have to donate a great amount of time in order to do this job and I have that time to donate. I will gladly donate that time to the dogfight community.

Wigbomb wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Thanks guys. What I would really like to be involved in is the quickness of being able to ban and/or mute someone almost within minutes of being posted on blacklist if proof is valid. I'm interested in the fragrant abuses that there is no denying the offense. I am in a position to be able to do that, I believe I could provide a service to the game and the players we all love.

As for the grey areas, well I would probably want to leave that up to the WIG and the other experienced moderators. Many grey areas may be grey to one person but not grey to another and I believe the currant moderators do a good job at that. Perfect, well hard to tell because if they make one group happy than they upset the other side. THATS A TOUGH JOB FOLKS.

Thank you for the endorsement, DC. I appreciate your respect for what we Mods do. No, it isn't easy. In fact it can, and frequently does, ruin your personal playing experience. I, for one, spend an inordinate amount of playing time instead sitting dead still, negotiating in chat with some misbehaving player or one who can't or refuses to understand the simple logic of how these things should ideally work, Mods are bombarded with attack chat in-game from players, usually noobs and often but certainly not always kids, busy testing the limits of what they can get away with. Defiance of authority is to be encouraged in our youth, but it derails your game and you rarely get back on track. My 200 kill games would be 300s if I weren't constantly besieged with pleas from abused players asking me to step in and take action when I've only just entered the mission. One some days it's all you find yourself doing; no major kill scores, no hangar arson, just busting jackass after jackass. Believe me, it grows old fast.

But we Mods do it because we're devoted to keeping the game fair and clean, a place for kids where parents (many of whom play, themselves) can trust that nothing inappropriate is likely to assault the senses of their children when in our care. Sure, we volunteer to do this for free, but there isn't a single Mod who doesn't take that responsibility deadly seriously. I want those young Dogfighters treated as well and with as much concern as I'd want my own to be treated were I to have had any.

Joaquin appointed a nearly complete new complement of Mods not too long ago. The process was an major, one time undertaking that demanded his attention and required a fair amount of time. We Mods feel that we're adequate and equal to the challenge. Adding more Mods to weird more authority to Mute and Ban more noobs and trolls is like trying to turn back the tide with a Swiffer wet mop. The database can be adjusted to auto-censor more and more words and words variants, it just takes time. I spend more time in there lately, I've seen the trolls. They're kids seeing what they can get away with. No amount of additional Mods is going to stop that pattern. Consider the scale of the influx of new boobs blitzing through the noob server in a matter of days and arriving at "the show" with zero etiquette, courtesy or in-game respect having been instilled in them from the fellow clueless underage noobs with whom they been playing for a week or two. They come from the wild west with little skill, attitude aplenty, no frame of reference for "game cops" or rules or protocol or common courtesy.

Will all that having been said before and more eloquently, there's this; since the Mods were appointed a number of new squads have been launched. Of these squads most will either peak and never grow stronger, a select few will take hold, build, gain respect and be able to compete with many of the mid-range and higher squads. Enigma being by far the most respectable of the two or three pre-M.O.M squads I've never had any qualms about there being two Enigma affiliated Mods. But to add another M.O.M, Black Eagle, NLR or CAC member would be to overlook such stellar candidates as Zebraup repping his new squad, or COBRA, his, or Reckless, whom I find to be a thoughtful, balanced, fair-minded and dedicated young man and a member of an un-represented squad.

For obvious reasons I would love more than anyone to see another M.O.M as a Mod if for no other benefit than intra-squad conflicts and politics, but the group we have now does remarkably well in keeping these flaps in check and preserving our high mutual regard. Martin would make a brilliant M.O.M Mod. Von Len another, and YEMX I'd trust with my kids. (if I had any) Zebraup from his squad, VonKopp and McFate from theirs, Black Flag from his...and what I regard as the most logical approach, unaffiliated players like Samweb, 1001, CRAZYWOLF. Honest, forthright, personable, clean, respectful players who play a lot, have a passion for the game, could be trusted to keep personal considerations out of the process...I could go on.

I do not doubt for a moment Davy's sincerity or that he'd bring every resource he has to bear on the gig. And I do not know of any pressing need perceived by Joaquin to immerse himself in the Mod hiring process when emergency game glitch issues created by last weekend's defective update need to command his full attention. I don't want his eye off that ball until soldiers can once more walk to tanks, lag is reduced back to barely playable levels, flight feels less like a nightmare slog through molasses while dragging an anchor...and Windows players are segregated to the new Siberia server where they'll never darken our doorway again. (sorry Two Ton, I'll stake you to an Android tab)

Meanwhile we Mods continue to do what we do and do it rather well, if the daily bitching from banned players is any indication...perhaps some help down the line at some point will be worth exploring then.

--w--

"Joaquin appointed a nearly complete new complement of Mods not too long ago. "

He did?

Wig, I appreciate your reply, but I ask you to look at it from a different angle for a minute. It sounds like your position as a moderator can be very taxing at times. What better reason then do you need to accept such a generous offer as the one Davy has put forth? In recommending Davy for the job, I'm not saying that you guys don't do a great job. It's just that Davy has already invested a tremendous amount of time in the game, has shown himself to be perfectly capable of doing the job (when he brings serious Davy to the table), and he has offered to devote even more time for the betterment of our game. This should possibly give you the chance to enjoy a few more 300 kill games, and spend less time being a disciplinarian. As far as squad representation in the mod pool, I guess that means something to someone, but I'd rather see a guy who is qualified for the job and who will devote the time necessary to it be in the position.

Rudolf Rednose wrote: Hi,

I think Davy would make a good Mod!

But for those who are still doubting that, why not have a test where everyone can send in his 'tough calls'.......just to be sure?

An example:

Q: Is this a bannable offence?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Yes in Vimy and Messines, No in Festubert and Borimov - it all comes down to local culture

[M]Reckless wrote:

Rudolf Rednose wrote: Hi,

I think Davy would make a good Mod!

But for those who are still doubting that, why not have a test where everyone can send in his 'tough calls'.......just to be sure?

An example:

Q: Is this a bannable offence?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Yes in Vimy and Messines, No in Festubert and Borimov - it all comes down to local culture

DAVY says,

Bannable if its a girl

Not bannable if its a guy

Or did I get that backwards, now im confused, I forgot, what was question, my depends are leaking.

I vote for DAVY 100%, he would be a excellent MOD. I believe he has the will power to make a good mod.

I think you would fit right in with the mod squad Davy. But you've missed this years mod squad photo....





Can you guess which one rides a horse?

Dr Dave wrote: I think you would fit right in with the mod squad Davy. But you've missed this years mod squad photo....

Can you guess which one rides a horse?

Lmao, that's me on the left. How did that picture get out

I would also like to stand by for DAVY. He is a resposible Pilot and a resposible person.

Dr Dave wrote: I think you would fit right in with the mod squad Davy. But you've missed this years mod squad photo....

Can you guess which one rides a horse?

hmmmmm....I'm not too sure...could you give me a hint??

Another moderator group picture.

Davy Crockett wrote: Another moderator group picture.

Hmmmm who is who again?

Hmmmmm MAYBE DOCTOR DAVE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS

I wanted to chime in on this:

I have stated my opinion both publicly and privately that more moderators would be good for the game.

There are many fine members of this community that I feel would be able to to a great job as moderators. I will not endorse anyone until my input is requested by Zuperman.

I feel that squad affiliation should not be a factor in the selection of moderators. I feel it should be based solely on the demonstrated character and maturity of the individual.

Davy Crockett wrote: Another moderator group picture.

Looks like these guys ride each other........ .......... But that's a whole different forum story. Or story about forum...

I too catch tons of pilots cussing and putting other players down, many campers and spawnkillers...althoug I'm not a mod I do try my best to right the situation if possible.I'm not MORAF or a popluar everyone knows him pilot. I'm not legendary or special in any way but if I can help I will anyway possible to make this awsome game even better for eveyone to enjoy. I will report all pilots using bad language and dishonorable tactics to a proper mod in hopes maybe someday I too will have the respect and responsibility of being a mod...but until then joker is ALWAYS lurking the chats and trying to help new people any way I can with information or shared experiences.

I too would like to become a moderator. I promise to always be fair and partial to the player who wires the most money my way. I also promise to belittle all idiots, tell the crybabies to shut the hell up, and post a nice picture each year at Christmas. Really, the only people I would do anything with are the sickos, perverts, and those that can't keep the really strong sexual innuendo garbage out of the actual games. Beyond that, I'd be hell on wheels!


Ok... I think I'd better stick with endorsing Davy.

I will be happy to endorse Davy as a Mod. Also would like to nominate Vonkopp as well as a Global Mod.

Ok...

In case someone doesn't get it, my last post was a joke. I have NO desire WHATSOEVER to be a mod. I only wish I had a "bouncer" button for the Jolly Roger for the very occasional post that I have to nix. But, so far the mods have always been totally cooperative with me in handling those situations.

Just so no one gets the wrong idea...

Jacklpe wrote: I too would like to become a moderator. I promise to always be fair and partial to the player who wires the most money my way. I also promise to belittle all idiots, tell the crybabies to shut the hell up, and post a nice picture each year at Christmas. Really, the only people I would do anything with are the sickos, perverts, and those that can't keep the really strong sexual innuendo garbage out of the actual games. Beyond that, I'd be hell on wheels!


Ok... I think I'd better stick with endorsing Davy.

Sounds like the White House lol

A day in the life of the mod-squad......?

Bump.

Still rooting for you Davy!

Wigbomb wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Thanks guys. What I would really like to be involved in is the quickness of being able to ban and/or mute someone almost within minutes of being posted on blacklist if proof is valid. I'm interested in the fragrant abuses that there is no denying the offense. I am in a position to be able to do that, I believe I could provide a service to the game and the players we all love.

As for the grey areas, well I would probably want to leave that up to the WIG and the other experienced moderators. Many grey areas may be grey to one person but not grey to another and I believe the currant moderators do a good job at that. Perfect, well hard to tell because if they make one group happy than they upset the other side. THATS A TOUGH JOB FOLKS.

Thank you for the endorsement, DC. I appreciate your respect for what we Mods do. No, it isn't easy. In fact it can, and frequently does, ruin your personal playing experience. I, for one, spend an inordinate amount of playing time instead sitting dead still, negotiating in chat with some misbehaving player or one who can't or refuses to understand the simple logic of how these things should ideally work, Mods are bombarded with attack chat in-game from players, usually noobs and often but certainly not always kids, busy testing the limits of what they can get away with. Defiance of authority is to be encouraged in our youth, but it derails your game and you rarely get back on track. My 200 kill games would be 300s if I weren't constantly besieged with pleas from abused players asking me to step in and take action when I've only just entered the mission. On some days it's all you find yourself doing; no major kill scores, no hangar arson, just busting jackass after jackass. Believe me, it grows old fast.

But we Mods do it because we're devoted to keeping the game fair and clean, a place for kids where parents (many of whom play, themselves) can trust that nothing inappropriate is likely to assault the senses of their children when in our care. Sure, we volunteer to do this for free, but there isn't a single Mod who doesn't take that responsibility deadly seriously. I want those young Dogfighters treated as well and with as much concern as I'd want my own to be treated were I to have had any.

Joaquin appointed a nearly complete new complement of Mods not too long ago. The process was an major, one time undertaking that demanded his attention and required a fair amount of time. We Mods feel that we're adequate and equal to the challenge. Adding more Mods to wield more authority to Mute and Ban more noobs and trolls is like trying to turn back the tide with a Swiffer wet mop. The database can be adjusted to auto-censor more and more words and word variants, it just takes time. I spend more time in there lately, I've seen the trolls. They're kids seeing what they can get away with. No amount of additional Mods is going to stop that pattern. Consider the scale of the influx of new noobs blitzing through the noob server in a matter of days and arriving at "the show" with zero etiquette, politeness or in-game respect having been instilled in them from the fellow clueless underage noobs with whom they been playing for a week or two. They come from the wild west with little skill, attitude aplenty, no frame of reference for "game cops" or rules or protocol or common courtesy.

Will all that having been said before and more eloquently, there's this; since the Mods were appointed a number of new squads have been launched. Of these squads most will either peak and never grow stronger, a select few will take hold, build, gain respect and be able to compete with many of the mid-range and higher squads. Enigma being by far the most respectable of the two or three pre-M.O.M squads I've never had any qualms about there being two Enigma affiliated Mods. But to add another M.O.M, Black Eagle, NLR or CAC member would be to overlook such stellar candidates as Zebraup repping his new squad, or COBRA, his, or Reckless, whom I find to be a thoughtful, balanced, fair-minded and dedicated young man and a member of an un-represented squad.

For obvious reasons I would love more than anyone to see another M.O.M as a Mod if for no other benefit than intra-squad conflicts and politics, but the group we have now does remarkably well in keeping these flaps in check and preserving our high mutual regard. Martin would make a brilliant M.O.M Mod. Von Len another, and YEMX I'd trust with my kids. (if I had any) Zebraup from his squad, VonKopp and McFate from theirs, Black Flag from his...and what I regard as the most logical approach, unaffiliated players like Samweb, 1001, CRAZYWOLF. Honest, forthright, personable, clean, respectful players who play a lot, have a passion for the game, could be trusted to keep personal considerations out of the process...I could go on.

I do not doubt for a moment Davy's sincerity or that he'd bring every resource he has to bear on the gig. And I do not know of any pressing need perceived by Joaquin to immerse himself in the Mod hiring process when emergency game glitch issues created by last weekend's defective update need to command his full attention. I don't want his eye off that ball until soldiers can once more walk to tanks, lag is reduced back to barely playable levels, flight feels less like a nightmare slog through molasses while dragging an anchor...and Windows players are segregated to the new Siberia server where they'll never darken our doorway again. (sorry Two Ton, I'll stake you to an Android tab)

Meanwhile we Mods continue to do what we do and do it rather well, if the daily bitching from banned players is any indication...perhaps some help down the line at some point will be worth exploring then.

--w--

I'm recycling this to the front end of the thread because, a) It was shot through with hilarious typos, ("boob" instead of "noob", priceless) and, b) I can no longer cite CRAZYWOLF as an unaffiliated player. The ModSquad's potential loss is M.O.M's gain.

Wig, you're a great mod. Don't think I'm saying otherwise in my quest to see Davy elevated to the spot. I will say though, several of the mods are less active now, and since Manfred left, the blacklist isn't always covered as thoroughly. Most of that I would say has to do with the fact you guys have lives outside of this game. Apparently Davy hangs around when hiding from Mrs Crockett (must be most of the time) and seems to be a great choice for a mod that would always be around to wipe the tears of the offended. There are so many...

Anyway... If nothing else, he is about as far right as you are left, but not a Puritan either. Mixing the two of your personalities might actually make for a perfect balance.

Well they say opposites attract lol

Nothing wrong with ALL Puritans

just having fun there Jacklpe