I really don't care about this issue at all. In an even game or when I'm outnumbered, I'll camp a bit and make sure my team can rally to the target. When my team has the numbers, I'll head back to my base. If shot at when leaving, I'll turn around and engage. With respect to others...do whatever you want.

BUT, I found the following quote interesting (pulled from a different thread):

zuperman wrote:

ZandorHawke wrote: The plane repair after bombing a hangar has always been there. Still is.

And it will continue to be there. That was added years ago to motivate people to bomb the enemy hangars and stay around, otherwise they would just fly and immediately crash since they were damaged when arriving to the enemy field. Or worse yet. They wouldn't even fly to the hangars.

So, if I can properly interpret these words handed down from our DF god into, lets call them, The DF 10 Commandments:

1. Thou shalt carry a bomb on hangar bombing missions.
2. Thou shalt fly to the enemy hangars.
3. Thou shalt bomb enemy hangars.
4. Thou shalt be healed when bombing enemy hangars.
5. Thou shalt not kill yourself after bombing enemy hangars.
7. Thou shalt take pleasure in camping after bombing enemy hangars.
8. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (OK - I ran out and had to steal a real one.)
9. Thou shalt not steal. (Dang, did I just break this Commandment?)
10. Honour thy MOM.

So, there you have it. The good book proclaims camping is approved by our DF lord and savior. It's the 7th Commandment for Zup sake!

ZandorHawke wrote: I really don't care about this issue at all. In an even game or when I'm outnumbered, I'll camp a bit and make sure my team can rally to the target. When my team has the numbers, I'll head back to my base. If shot at when leaving, I'll turn around and engage. With respect to others...do whatever you want.

BUT, I found the following quote interesting (pulled from a different thread):

zuperman wrote:

ZandorHawke wrote: The plane repair after bombing a hangar has always been there. Still is.

And it will continue to be there. That was added years ago to motivate people to bomb the enemy hangars and stay around, otherwise they would just fly and immediately crash since they were damaged when arriving to the enemy field. Or worse yet. They wouldn't even fly to the hangars.

So, if I can properly interpret these words handed down from our DF god into, lets call them, The DF 10 Commandments:

1. Thou shalt carry a bomb on hangar bombing missions.
2. Thou shalt fly to the enemy hangars.
3. Thou shalt bomb enemy hangars.
4. Thou shalt be healed when bombing enemy hangars.
5. Thou shalt not kill yourself after bombing enemy hangars.
7. Thou shalt take pleasure in camping after bombing enemy hangars.
8. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (OK - I ran out and had to steal a real one.)
9. Thou shalt not steal. (Dang, did I just break the 8th Commandment?)
10. Honour thy MOM.

So, there you have it. The good book proclaims camping is approved by our DF lord and savior. It's the 7th Commandment for Zup sake!

Though shalt eat no pork in Messines nor Vimy, for the pork is Devine and pure. Festubert is fair game...
To anger Lord Zuperman is to risk eternal lag-nation

Lol sure sounds that way. But, if I could take some liberties with the language, and knowing Z's disdain for spawnkilling (often a follow-on behavior of camping), I *think* he meant that he didn't want pilots to simply crash and reset back to base after delivering a bomb and getting shot up a little. He didn't want them to give up on the flyaway and just bury the tail feathers into terra firma. I think that's what he meant by "stay around."

But I have always thought this was trying to control something the wrong way. Sure, giving a repair for hitting a hangar does help motivate pilots to hit the hangars. But points and winning already do that. And I can see that an unrepaired plane might motivate a pilot to kamikaze after the bombing run. But geez, giving a repair primarily gives an effect of enhancing the advantage of an already advantaged plane (unemcumbered by bomb!). The motivation is then to stick around excessively and shoot at bomb-ladened aircraft struggling to get airborne and to evasive speed. For some.

Remember when Z had the points set up so you wouldn't keep your kill and hangar points unless you landed back at base? That was a time when many pilots returned to base for a reload. But alas, the frequent quit bugs caused angst for many (me included), and thankfully (for my eventual morafness points) Zup turned that requirement off. Maybe with quit bugs now waning, he should reinstitute that... if he wants to motivate non-camping... but maybe that will result in other unintended effects. Never mind, game is fine for now. (Lagginess aside.)

Manfred

lol Hulk, those last three got me. I was laughing so hard when I read those. But I noticed you missed the 6th one, what is that supposed to be thou shalt be small and sneaky?

Manfred wrote: Lol sure sounds that way. But, if I could take some liberties with the language, and knowing Z's disdain for spawnkilling (often a follow-on behavior of camping), I *think* he meant that he didn't want pilots to simply crash and reset back to base after delivering a bomb and getting shot up a little. He didn't want them to give up on the flyaway and just bury the tail feathers into terra firma. I think that's what he meant by "stay around." for now. (Lagginess aside.)

Manfred

Manfred, are you trying to translate the holy DF doctrine differently than me? I think history speaks to the problems this can cause. If you want to start a holy war then go ahead with your Church of Manfred and your pagan interpretations!

Sometimes, especially when I play with lower level opponents, I pretend that I only have one life. So, after surviving an engagement where my plane was shot up but still flying, I'd fly back to home base and repair. I won't take unnecessary risks (such as camping), and it would result in a more passive playstyle. It's a refreshing experience, and it gives a nice handicap to the newbies.

I too fly back to my base after bombing.. when I have about 30 bullets left!

When I go camping I bring along my hammock as well as marshmellows to roast over the burning wreckage of the enemy planes.. don't like me camping? There's a simple solution: Shoot Me Down!

*Note: I don't consider spawnkilling a part of my camping trips.

So let me see if I understand. If camping is in a plane at enemy airport then while in a tank is it RV'ing? If so are there extra fees for hook-ups?

BTJ582 wrote: So let me see if I understand. If camping is in a plane at enemy airport then while in a tank is it RV'ing? If so are there extra fees for hook-ups?

LOL!!!

BTJ582 wrote: So let me see if I understand. If camping is in a plane at enemy airport then while in a tank is it RV'ing? If so are there extra fees for hook-ups?

LMBO!! God I wish we still had karma bumbs here.

So let me see if I understand. If camping is in a plane at enemy airport then while in a tank is it RV'ing? If so are there extra fees for hook-ups?

Yes there are extra costs, just contact squadron leader Zebra up for prices and the name to write your check out to. thx

I feel camping is fine to be honest, depending where u are at at the airport. If ur behind the runway, its unfair, but can be classified as spawnkilling, if ur dead infront of the runway waiting for their wheels to leave the ground, thats wrong aswell, my opinion though. Now if u uave some altitude, or off to a side, or even in front of the runway, near the killing hill, thats fine. I will never complain if they are covering bombers, or trying to by time to make an escape. But hanging right over the base, waiting for us to take off and get easy kills, that im against. But I know how to deal with it, so 9 times out of 10, I wont complain.
I wont necessarily "camp" but I will stay around the base while teammates are on bombing runs, the moment they drop, I change focus on other bombers, or if none are present, I focus on making it back alive.

I feel camping is ok under certain conditions, but wrong if ur trying to hog points.

ZandorHawke wrote: I really don't care about this issue at all. In an even game or when I'm outnumbered, I'll camp a bit and make sure my team can rally to the target. When my team has the numbers, I'll head back to my base. If shot at when leaving, I'll turn around and engage. With respect to others...do whatever you want.

BUT, I found the following quote interesting (pulled from a different thread):

zuperman wrote:

ZandorHawke wrote: The plane repair after bombing a hangar has always been there. Still is.

And it will continue to be there. That was added years ago to motivate people to bomb the enemy hangars and stay around, otherwise they would just fly and immediately crash since they were damaged when arriving to the enemy field. Or worse yet. They wouldn't even fly to the hangars.

So, if I can properly interpret these words handed down from our DF god into, lets call them, The DF 10 Commandments:

1. Thou shalt carry a bomb on hangar bombing missions.
2. Thou shalt fly to the enemy hangars.
3. Thou shalt bomb enemy hangars.
4. Thou shalt be healed when bombing enemy hangars.
5. Thou shalt not kill yourself after bombing enemy hangars.
7. Thou shalt take pleasure in camping after bombing enemy hangars.
8. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (OK - I ran out and had to steal a real one.)
9. Thou shalt not steal. (Dang, did I just break this Commandment?)
10. Honour thy MOM.

So, there you have it. The good book proclaims camping is approved by our DF lord and savior. It's the 7th Commandment for Zup sake!

You for got 6.
6. Thou Should Honor each and every MISFIT!

BTJ582 wrote: So let me see if I understand. If camping is in a plane at enemy airport then while in a tank is it RV'ing? If so are there extra fees for hook-ups?

Yes there is, please send the money to me to avoid eviction. I am a equal opportunity evictor.

Befor the Crooked Crockett and Porky Pig start striking up another of their infamous deals, let me just warn you not to trust them!!
They have a terrible reputation and absolutely cannot be trusted.

Do not.. I repeat... Do Not entrust them with your money as you will never see it again!

What you should do, however, is give the extra cost... only £10 in your case (I can work in dollars at a very reasonable rate)... to myself and you can park your RV's for as long as you want!!!

Don't miss out! Grab this deal while it's still this good!

The only forum of camping I will do is buzz their runway without firing a shot. Just to keep them busy till my team gets there or I get shot down. There's no reason to shoot the place up. I don't think its fare and most times i just bomb and go. Depends on the game and who's wining. But I can say If I do stay, I don't shoot anyone if I don't have to. That's just me. Yall do as you please...

hmm you shall burn in hell for placing words I didn't say on me!
(or worse, stay on connection limbo with negative points)

anyway, the idea since it was a bit out of context was that during hangar missions you had to get your bomb, fly to the opposite side, bomb the hangars AND come back flying to your base to pick up another bomb and repeat the process.

Not to stay camping around!

The problem is that the whole routine is hard to enforce and implement. I tried once to give some enormous amount of points if someone did it, but the system didn't take it very well since it was hard to identify it. I will probably add it some time in the future though. Meantime, to help a bit all I did was heal all hangar bombers so they had the chance to come back to their base.

I'm with Dr Dave here after I bomb if I get that far I might buzz the base three rounds no shots fired after that I fly away or try to after I get a fair distance away if I'm shot at I will turn and fire back and then turn back to my base. I think repairing the planes after bombing is a bit weird it gives advantage to an already advantage plane maybe zup can take that out but you still get the point for homing this way it will limit the amount of camping one can do. And I also agree with ghost on rule #6 thou shall respect all misfits lol

zuperman wrote: hmm you shall burn in hell for placing words I didn't say on me!
(or worse, stay on connection limbo with negative points)

anyway, the idea since it was a bit out of context was that during hangar missions you had to get your bomb, fly to the opposite side, bomb the hangars AND come back flying to your base to pick up another bomb and repeat the process.

Not to stay camping around!

The problem is that the whole routine is hard to enforce and implement. I tried once to give some enormous amount of points if someone did it, but the system didn't take it very well since it was hard to identify it. I will probably add it some time in the future though. Meantime, to help a bit all I did was heal all hangar bombers so they had the chance to come back to their base.

Looks like I missed some Commandments! Sort of like Mel Brooks dropping one of the tablets and announcing there are 15...wait...10 Commandments.

Missing Commandments:
11. Thou shalt burn in hell (or connection limbo) for misquoting me.
12. Thou shalt only camp for a limited amount of time.
13. Thou shalt return to friendly base after camping an acceptable amount of time.
14. Thou shalt reload once landing at friendly base.
15. Thou shalt rinse and repeat.

And regarding the 6th Commandment, it's not missing. A true believer knows, understands and religiously follows it. Many believe it's the most important Commandment (although I certainly would hate to rank the Commandments...well, maybe later in a different post).

#6- thou shalt utter no profanity, though thou shalt receive consideration when blighted by truly egregious behavior.

(Disparaging comments made against Misfits should add time to your auto-bans)

I can see the 6th Commandment!!!

Ill read it to you for the low price of $59.99

Zandor, that Commandment #6? The business about the Misfits, the vat of canned peaches and the bowling pin? Friggin' hilarious!! I knew they were some sick twists, but I had no clue there was that kind of imagination at work there. "Just another of the mid-level squads" I thought. Comparatively innocuous, as anyone would naturally assume. I certainly wouldn't have guessed the bit with the shaved goat and the set of jumper cables...

Hey Zuperman! How about this? If a player successfully bombs a hangar, leave any damage they have, if they make it back to home base, then repair them and reload them with two bombs! Might change the tactical thinking a bit. Also, keep up the good work. Glitches aside, I'm still having fun........Thanks

that would be a great addition, would change the equation quite a bit

Sgt.York wrote: Hey Zuperman! How about this? If a player successfully bombs a hangar, leave any damage they have, if they make it back to home base, then repair them and reload them with two bombs! Might change the tactical thinking a bit. Also, keep up the good work. Glitches aside, I'm still having fun........Thanks

That's not a bad idea at all York.. but if on one of my gazillion runs to bomb I actually get to bomb a hangar? I'm still breaking out the marshmellows!

Sgt.York wrote: Hey Zuperman! How about this? If a player successfully bombs a hangar, leave any damage they have, if they make it back to home base, then repair them and reload them with two bombs! Might change the tactical thinking a bit.

Hey, great idea! If that actually happens, would it make the plane any slower, wouldnt want that to happen! If not, I think it would work!

Knmh

Sgt.York wrote: Hey Zuperman! How about this? If a player successfully bombs a hangar, leave any damage they have, if they make it back to home base, then repair them and reload them with two bombs! Might change the tactical thinking a bit. Also, keep up the good work. Glitches aside, I'm still having fun........Thanks

Great idea York!

Sgt.York wrote: Hey Zuperman! How about this? If a player successfully bombs a hangar, leave any damage they have, if they make it back to home base, then repair them and reload them with two bombs! Might change the tactical thinking a bit. Also, keep up the good work. Glitches aside, I'm still having fun........Thanks

Great idea York!

( So great my phone double posted)

Great idea sir York, that would be a great incentive.
Don't knock the shaved goat & jumper cables, until you try it.

Wigbomb wrote: Zandor, that Commandment #6? The business about the Misfits, the vat of canned peaches and the bowling pin? Friggin' hilarious!! I knew they were some sick twists, but I had no clue there was that kind of imagination at work there. "Just another of the mid-level squads" I thought. Comparatively innocuous, as anyone would naturally assume. I certainly wouldn't have guessed the bit with the shaved goat and the set of jumper cables...

OK...I was worried that shaving the goat went too far but if you don't do that you get the smell of burning fur.