Dear friends,
this wonderfull game, even with all its serious contradictions, has an extremely intuitive mechanics: you should not hit a friend? Well if do it lose points! You should not use bombs in Zeppelin Game? Plane has no bomb! Then why in Carrier Game people are scandalize if you bomb hangar? If the game provide you gain points doing that, but not only, if you win when bombed last hangar ther's no doubt you are free to choose how to set up your race. Otherwise you end up falling into that theological mechanism where everyone has free will, but for those who misbehaves is expected to hell. There seems absurd for such a game! Doesn't it?
A BIG HELLO TO ALL

Cuz it's a bug. Wasn't there until these last couple of releases. Zup is addressing it. I imagine it requires everyone to have a release with the bug fixed, since the hangars are a figment of each local device's imagination. But that might take some time, since Appel is so slow, Windows is screwed, and Amazon is MIA.

To me, it's akin to the year-ago problem of invisible soldiers on carriers. Game allows it, but game is not supposed to allow it.

In both cases, we have told people in-game that it's a bug, and that it's bad form to take advantage of it. Whether they listen or not is up to them, and many don't. I just leave the game when people feel they have to do it, same as when there were invisible soldiers.

Manfred

Manfred, this game is like wine, and I am a wine maker, it takes time to perfect, people need to understand Rome was not built in a day.
If they don't know that they need a history lesson!!! You guys do your best!! Somebody will always complain!!!

Thanks pistolpete

Lesson #2

Yes it is a game, so let's expand on that. You spawn into a bomb the enemy carrier game. Where did it say bomb the hangers? It doesn't.

You spawn into a bring down the zeppelin game, where did it say bomb the hangers? It doesn't.

You spawn into a dogfight game, did it say bomb the hangers? It doesn't.

You spawn into a capture the carriers game, did it say bomb the hangers? It doesn't.

You spawn into a bomb the enemy airport game, MISSION HERE IS TO BOMB THE HANGERS.

Do you get the point?

[M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Lesson #2

Yes it is a game, so let's expand on that. You spawn into a bomb the enemy carrier game. Where did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a bring down the zeppelin game, where did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a dogfight game, did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a capture the carriers game, did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a bomb the enemy airport game, MISSION HERE IS TO BOMB THE HANGERS.

Do you get the point?

And in the last mission you mentioned they drop on takeoff

bellsaj wrote:

[M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Lesson #2

Yes it is a game, so let's expand on that. You spawn into a bomb the enemy carrier game. Where did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a bring down the zeppelin game, where did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a dogfight game, did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a capture the carriers game, did it say bomb the hangers?

You spawn into a bomb the enemy airport game, MISSION HERE IS TO BOMB THE HANGERS.

Do you get the point?

And in the last mission you mentioned they drop on takeoff

Now aint that ironic? Lmao

Sharps, I've gone over and over this issue with you and you refuse to be reasonable.

Yes, as bzerk says, the assignment is made clear at the beginning of the mission. Yes, as Manfred points out, the very presence of hangars in non-hangar missions is a technical glitch.

No, you are not exercising your "free will" by ruining a game in which seven other players are involved. You're being selfish and stubborn and, in a very real sense, you're cheating.

If you are in a Dogfight mission, near the red base, bomb in tow, and feel like grabbing 50 extra points, knock yourself out. If you methodically set about bombing all eight hangars and bringing the mission to a close I can promise you that I or a fellow Moderator will knock you out...of the game. Whether that amounts to a Kick or a Ban is up to the individual Mod. Some might not recognize the need to take any action. I do, and will. Our job as Mods is to protect the game to the best of our ability for the greatest number of players, not to protect your right to run roughshod over everyone else.

There's a large urn of boiling coffee at the restaurant near your home. It is possible to shove your face into it. You have the free will to do so. Let us know how that works out for you.

--w--

Hey Wig, I wish You would have been there earlier...I was in a bomb the carrier mission and I had to guard my hangers so my teammates could bomb the carrier...I would call it cheating...BTW [M] RAPTOR was there also and we were telling Sharps to stop...so I have a feeling this thread as directed to me and Raptor...

It's predominantly directed at me, Echo. I've scolded Sharps on several occasions for exploiting the hangar glitch and he can't resist bringing it up in any game with me. He also can't resist continuing to press his luck. This smacks of someone too fiercely protective of his right to free will, everyone else be damned. To hell, I guess. With all the dicey stuff I've done, who knew it'd be telling a guy to quit screwing up a little airplane game that'd condemn my immortal-ish soul-thingy?

Just because the shoe fits doesn't necessarily mean you should wear it. Free will says you are able to do anything possible. As a person, you decide what is plausible. You will always be judged by your actions, not only here in Dogfight, but in real life. There are are these things called "rules", and "common courtesy". If I steal, lie, or cheat, I am not exercising free will. I'm just being a jackass.

So if people ask you to play the game mode as it is, for goodness sake, just do it.

Here is my 2 cents... Suck it up buttercup !!! really though I have not done this but if I see a 20 bill laying on the ground im definitely ganna grab it!!! Wouldnt you ? Or you could stand by it and wait untill someone else gets it..

Mr.Becken wrote: Here is my 2 cents... Suck it up buttercup !!! really though I have not done this but if I see a 20 bill laying on the ground im definitely ganna grab it!!! Wouldnt you ? Or you could stand by it and wait untill someone else gets it..

Ok buttercup, when you have been in an equally matched game, rare as they are lately and I come in and ruin all of your hard work for a few extra points and the big W, suck it up.

If I recall sneaking is against Legends rules according to freak. Isn't taking advantage of a glitch a bit sneaky and selfish?

Im not here to get angry or build my stats... I just love playing game and and theres always another mission to get that lost kill/win

If I recall sneaking is against Legends rules according to freak. Isn't taking advantage of a glitch a bit sneaky and selfish?

Becken, to me, it sounds like your argument is:

"I want these points, I'm gonna get these points, everyone else can just suck it up."

Ok there were words earlier is all but I agree...

I have never done that.. I said it was my 2 cents! Take it or leave it... and you let me know if a member of the LEGENDS does this. And I play to have fun idc how many hangars or wins I have...

Mr.Becken wrote: Here is my 2 cents... Suck it up buttercup !!! really though I have not done this but if I see a 20 bill laying on the ground im definitely ganna grab it!!! Wouldnt you ? Or you could stand by it and wait untill someone else gets it..

From this statement it would seem as though you would snatch the points instead of standing by the side and let someone else do it. Your text here not mine.

If your intent was to say it happens then use a reference that implies this. If your intent was I would grab that twenty dollars/points, well then you did that.

I'm a big believer in playing the game and having fun. Too many people take this game way too seriously. If someone wants to bomb the hangars in CTC then so be it. I always come back to what the game allows. In this case I can see the offending plane or tank and take action. I've never understood the need for tanks in CTC (or DF) mode so it's kind of ironic that when a bug is introduced that this is the conduit to exploit it.

Now I will say that I tend to avoid CTC games but have recently started playing them because planes tend to gravitate towards the bases now, which leads to more action.

On the flip side, if Wig (or another mod) tells me something then I'm going to listen. I mean there is a difference in playing a game to the limits it allows and just being stupid. Consider any future bans not for bombing hangars in CTC but for being a jack wagon...hope that helps.

It was an example! Im sorry if I have angerd you... but I doesnt bother me you can think whatever you want

I'm not angry Becken, it's a game. Just pointing out that some really great fun games have been spoiled by some that choose to exploit the glitch. Personally I just move to the next and hope for the best.

I only responded to this post due to the lack of thought to those having a good time by one who would go for the hangers. Dogfight games can be intense and a battle of the wits, some last a few minutes and others can last for several hours. Then one person spawns in and decides to bomb the hangers and game over.It spoils that bit of fun for those who were involved.

One day I would enjoy games that required you to not only take out the carrier, but the hangers as well. One day maybe.

Fellow DogFight players,

I have struggled with this issue too with many other dogfight players. I honestly don't believe that it is morally incorrect, wrong, or tantamount to cheating. I am a relatively new player at this game, so maybe in time, I will find this controversial practice to be very wrong and the equivalent to cheating.

But right now, I don't and I see no problem in playing a game to its available parameters. HOWEVER, there are many "veterans" of this game. They have wishes and desires that are understandable and respected by many, and frankly they have been playing this game longer than you or I have been. I don't see it wrong to bomb hangars in other missions, BUT as a proposed solution to all, if you are playing the game and you are bombing hangars in a non-bomb the hangar mission, then maybe those who oppose this practice should politely ask the bombers to stop bombing the hangars. The bombers should then stop bombing the carriers, hangars, etc. or leave the game.

This is something to consider, now gentlemen and ladies, please do not start ranting me out or try explaining the morals to me. I've heard them. I'm just proposing a solution to the ones who bomb and those who don't.

Respectfully,
The Congress

ZandorHawke wrote: I'm a big believer in playing the game and having fun. Too many people take this game way too seriously. If someone wants to bomb the hangars in CTC then so be it. I always come back to what the game allows. In this case I can see the offending plane or tank and take action. I've never understood the need for tanks in CTC (or DF) mode so it's kind of ironic that when a bug is introduced that this is the conduit to exploit it.

Now I will say that I tend to avoid CTC games but have recently started playing them because planes tend to gravitate towards the bases now, which leads to more action.

On the flip side, if Wig (or another mod) tells me something then I'm going to listen. I mean there is a difference in playing a game to the limits it allows and just being stupid. Consider any future bans not for bombing hangars in CTC but for being a jack wagon...hope that helps.

agreed, as long as you aint camping or spawnkilling I dont care what you do to win. How ever many other people will be glad to tell you that you cheat.

Well then, let's all just ask Zuperman to get rid of all missions but the one the game is named for, Dogfight. Problem solved, no hangers, no carrier, no zep.

I have been playing many games where players are doing the exact opposite of what the game title says. This does not bother me at all it just ads to the excitement!! Especially during a dogfight match. Players are bombing hangers and dogfighting at the same time. I don't see any issue i have never complained once when i see a certain few do the opposite of what the game title says:))

Luna wrote: Just because the shoe fits doesn't necessarily mean you should wear it.

Took me a few minutes to understand (French). I just love that phrase !. Lol ! Will not forget it !

The New Lunar Republicans are very poetic !. Just great ...

OK I THINK I NEED TO CLEAR SOMETHING I SAID UP!!! I DID NOT MEAN TO INSULT YOU GUYS BY ANY MEANS, WHAT I MEANT WAS, THE PEOPLE WHO DESIGNED THIS GAME ALWAYS STRIVE , IN MY OPINION, TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR ALL OF US, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT NOT WILL HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, I AM SURE THEY TRY HARD TO FIX ALL THE GLITCHES, I WILL ALWAYS GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUGHT!!! THATS WHAT I MEANT !! I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE WHO THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY!!! SO TO MY SQUAD MATES AND OTHER PILOTS FROM OTHER SQUADS, AGAIN MY APOLOGIES!!!
I ALSO BELIEVE TO STICK TO THE MISSION AT HAND..BECAUSE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE FLYING THE DESIGNATED MISSION AND TRYING THIER BEST, AND OTHERS ARE JUST BOMBING HANGERS JUST TO WIN THE GAME, THEN IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE GAME AND THE FUN OUT OF IT, BUT IF THE MODS AND THE GODS DECIDE OTHERWISE, THEN I WILL GO WITH THE FLOW!!!!

THANKS PISTOLPETE

Good point zerk, I didn't mean any disrespect or insult to anyone...and I posted an apology!!

Ok, this post has my attention. When I play a game of dogfight, it's after a long day of work and school. I don't want to strategize, I don't want to fight hard, I don't want to work at playing this game, I just want to relax and spend time with good people, several of which I call friends. When I see people doing things that are uncouth it really makes it difficult to relax. Actions like sneaking on outnumbered reds, running bombless in bombing matches, camping, spawnkilling, and now bombing hangers in ctc matches, hangers which are not visible to all device users mind you, are not strategic actions. They are actions used by someone who can't get points the right way. Some people will even laugh when you ask them to play the game like everyone else, and then continue their shenanigans. That's not skill, that's taking advantage of limitations. I personally don't like sneaking in any situation, but when the game is even, I won't complain much, but it still bothers me. In my opinion, and please no one take offense, this is simply an opinion, but in my opinion a skilled player can rush headlong into the fray and make it through. In this situation, bombing hangers in a game where you are NOT supposed to bomb them, let alone see them, is wrong and boarders on the side of pathetic. You know you are supposed to go after the carrier. You know that only some users can even see the hangers. You know that people don't like it when you go after the hanger, and yet you continue to do so. It shows the lack of ability of a player when they can't play the game the normal way. It also shows a great deal of fear, because it's obvious that they don't want to face the other players. It's really a lack of common decency when one thinks they are so entitled that they have the right to circumvent the system. There are many players here who want to have fun. That's all. We just want to get into a game, maybe chat with other players, shoot a few reds, get shot down, and do it again. We don't want to have to chase you down all the time because you think it's ok to do whatever you darn well please. Play the game right, play the game clean, or don't play the game at all.

General jackson wrote: I have been playing many games where players are doing the exact opposite of what the game title says. This does not bother me at all it just ads to the excitement!! Especially during a dogfight match. Players are bombing hangers and dogfighting at the same time. I don't see any issue i have never complained once when i see a certain few do the opposite of what the game title says:))

By that logic, if convention dictates that you shoot reds and not blues, why not bust up a buncha blues! It's exciting! I see a very definite issue; one way of thinking adheres to the spirit of respecting the game experience of the people with whom you're playing, all of whom have a perfect right to expect Mission Type X to be played as Mission Type X, as indicated when both you and they joined the game. The other way of thinking applauds a no holds barred attitude, in which case we'd better be prepared to allow team killing, friendly hangar bombing, spawn tanking and anything else any individual's rendition of "My Way" might designate as "fun". Fun for the one, not so much fun for the all.

The point that was made about this hangar glitch being in the same vein as the old invisible-soldier-on-deck glitch is flawed; the point of the soldier was to capture and/or hold the carrier, just as the tank-on-deck provided another way to destroy the carrier. Glitch, gimmick or legitimate tactic, they were employed directly in the effort to win the assigned mission. This hangar business is precisely the opposite, and that's the point.