Well, I just had a potential squaddie quit the game cuz he said he got tired of the constant unbalancing of the rooms, and specifically he pointed out that the high rankers or most of them are the ones that refuse to try to balance the room.

well from my experience in this game of 3 months I have to say that I kinda agree with him. its a shame that ppl who are a vice admiral or marshal don't lead by example and try to balance the game up. instead they come in and talk a lot of crap about the low side dropping bombs early or they go after the low rankers only cuz they are scared of a fight.

I've seen it happen plenty of times so don't deny it yall.

I've also been accumulating a list of ppl who are and have good "GAMEMANSHIP" over those that whine about dropped bombs but yet are always on high number side



JUST SOME ADVICE TO YALL NEW GAMING PPL

IVE PLAYED PLENTY OF GAMES AND THIS ONE IS GOING DOWN HILL FAST BECUASE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY THAT PLAYS IT IS DOING.

I wont name names cuz those idiotic ppl know who they are.

I just hope the nimcompoops will learn that with no one to shoot at all they can do is bomb which they can do in the offline practice mode.

~S~ have fun if u can !!!!

Wow, yes it does sometimes get unbalanced but so what, I love being the underdog and trying to hold everyone off, I usually even keep my bomb, I love the challenge and then later in the game balance will shift in your favor and you can relax some. If I get overwhelmed by a sea of red then so be it. I will have a ball fighting them.

Sometimes when I try to change I CANT GET BACK IN. Sometimes I will try to change to help another squad member but only sometimes it works.

This game will never be perfect therefore you have to adapt to all the little problems like this. I can tell you one thing if you can learn to fight off a sea of red it will really sharpen your skills and I love to have my skills sharpened.

Geeee am i on that list

I will have to admit he is right to a point. I can't count the times red after red showed up and no one tried to help.

I love a lopsided game. They are a challenge. If I were a new guy I would not. I would rather play an even game though. More often than not I lopside myself. So I can't complain too much.

What I will argue with is, when I do switch to help, everyone leaves me anyway. Alone to die. Sigh. No biggy but don't cry when you are outnumbered because they bail anyway. And don't expect me to even out a game you will leave in eventually. Most likely I will just move on to another game because ganging up on a couple guys is no fun. Sometimes I will switch for guys I know will do it for me.

I wouldn't want anyone in my squad that left me to die anyway. Not all games will be easy victories.

~S~ my friend!
Yes it does suck when the room is unbalanced. I just left a game where Becken and I went 2 vs 6 against 2 MORAF's and 4 assorted others including Buckgeo. We held them off for over 30 mins but you know how that ended lol! I can imagine how a couple noobs would have fared in our position.

I think the biggest reason for more experienced players not switching these days is the difficulty in getting back in. If you try and get the same side you were already on, hitting the back button has been causing some devices to crash. At best, half the frigging buttons disappear and you get to guess where they are, nonetheless, many players like myself do it anyway because we hate matches that are so unbalanced and we don't want newer players to be discouraged. The problem with posting the grievance here on the forum is, most players who aren't willing to switch sides are not active forum members.

I think you'll find that many of us here on the forum will try to switch most times, as the forum community is filled with players who are invested in growing the player base and making the game as fun and appealing to new players as we can.

Perhaps at some point there will be a patch or function in the game that will help balance it out, I believe Zuperman has tried this in the past but it doesn't seem to be in place.
For now, refer to the "Get a tissue" thread here on the forum, from a month or so ago. Its the best I can offer

Exactly MAX, when u change everyone leaves sooner or later, I don't know if they leave on purpose or not. The game changes balance several times just in one game so i just stay put and deal with it except i like to try and get on the same side of our squad mates

I'm finding it very hard to find a red team that sticks around.

I have been playing for 8 months, my most memorable game was one where it was me against 3. 2 of the 3 were top 10 MORAFS. I held them off for 40 minutes, till help arrived. I thought I would be dead 5 minutes in. But I fought hard, and gained the respect of the 3 reds that day. I will never forget that game, and the lesson I learned. Never give up, no matter how bad it looks. You might surprise yourself.

[M]VonKopp wrote: I have been playing for 8 months, my most memorable game was one where it was me against 3. 2 of the 3 were top 10 MORAFS. I held them off for 40 minutes, till help arrived. I thought I would be dead 5 minutes in. But I fought hard, and gained the respect of the 3 reds that day. I will never forget that game, and the lesson I learned. Never give up, no matter how bad it looks. You might surprise yourself.

That's so true Hulk, and Max & Davy pretty much summed it up as well.
Speaking for myself, in BTA and BTC matches I go looking for imbalance, with 5 vs 3 (with me being one of the 3) being ideal odds, 6 vs 2 even, if the other side doesn't have too many high ranks - there are enough targets for everyone to keep making kills all the way up the field. When I was newer at the game I always hoped for balance and saw 4 vs 4 as ideal.

I guess the point to this is, this game takes so long to learn and improve at that if a new player is willing to take a beating but keep their eyes open they will learn and improve faster than a less aggressive player of similar experience - these are the guys (and gals) who eventually become a Hulk, a Davy, or a Max, the ones who complain and rage quit with a soaked pair of panties probably won't make it to MORAF anyway.

Am I wrong?

No PORK are not wrong (boy i sure love bacon lol), i just left a game, myself and tinker hell against a entire red team, we worked our butt off, our carrier quickly down to 40%, we fought and fought, we never dropped and we held them off, then the game became even for awhile and we were all at a standoff in the middle, after awhile the advantage then went to us and we won the game.

The red had a rookie called CAT 2014 I think, stayed the entire game and fought, got shot down a lot but he got us some to, I could see him improving by the end of the game.

I think its all about attitude, you don't become a MAX unless your attidude is fight and learn, no matter what the odds.

Yeah it's a shame that Edge decided to leave the game.. I played with him twice and he was pretty good and getting better. But as far as uneven sides goes I LOVE being the underdog in anything but a capture the carrier game.. being heavily outnumbered in that one is virtually a guaranteed loss. One of my most memorable games in the 2 short months I have been here was 5 vs 1 against me in a shoot the zep mission. Great game! & I don't mind even 7 vs 1 against me.. I consider that a 'target rich enviroment'

As for switching sides.. well, I seldom ever switch sides because of 2 reasons.. one is because I feel a little like a traitor to my teammates if I do & the other is because I seldom get back in on the other side at all anyways.

Davy Crockett wrote: No PORK are not wrong (boy i sure love bacon lol), i just left a game, myself and tinker hell against a entire red team, we worked our butt off

Don't worry Davy, it looks like you have plenty of butt left

Porkfinger wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: No PORK are not wrong (boy i sure love bacon lol), i just left a game, myself and tinker hell against a entire red team, we worked our butt off

Don't worry Davy, it looks like you have plenty of butt left

And just how would u know?

I know lots of high rank players and others who will switch to help out short teams. I will often switch to help a player who I'd short handed. BUT!, I have said BRB many times in game and switched to find myself alone over there. Now if they don't know what BRB means thats one thing but many have bailed after I got there. I won't switch for that one again. I don't mind fighting alone if I have to, and even enjoy it many times. Win or lose is secondary to me, though I enjoy winning a little more, but the play itself is what I love.

i never had any lopsided games...

I did have one tough game in which i was alone against wig ..

He was alone too..

It was a truely one on one match..
In the pervious game reds won... And he was in red team..

He asked if i wanted this one..

Thanx wig.. [ for asking ]..

But denied and told him to play his best ...

I it was also the time when win8 ghost problem was fixed..

So even though at that time, i was level 12/13 , i played like level 5

That game was the only reason that i am now worth to my level...

THANX WIG !

You were head to head with WIG, poor guy, he takes no prisoners.

The players make it lopsided. Most of the time They see A couple High rank players on one side. Well what do they do? they quit and go to the other side.

Like Davy, I love when it's me vs 5 or 6 guys. That's one think that makes this game great. Being able to go through six guys without being hit. That's what got me hooked

If I'm in a long game that eventually becomes lopsided with only a few hangars or carrier hits left, I'll usually stay where I am. Too many times I have not been able to get back anyway.

If spawn into the high side of a badly balanced game I'll try to switch. But if I find another better balanced game I'll stay there.



I saw a thread from a couple of years ago where zup was explaining how it works. He said that there are some mechanisms which try to balance the games by numbers and ranks but there are too many variables including people switching sides or leaving games for whatever reason.

Numbers don't always equal an advantage. A MORAF is equal to 2 planes at least. So any script made to balance the number of planes will not work either, though it would get closer.
I've been in a 6 vs. 2 match and it was all we could do to reach the base, and even harder to reach the hangers. Then others reds showed up and we lost. Same thing just yesterday I was alone vs. 6, finely got over whelmed and my base swarming, and all but gave up hope then just in time two blues joined and by the end we won.

I'm not saying it's an ideal set up, or it's always fun to be very outnumbered. More fun if your a great flyer bucking the odds maybe. But try not to give up, or if your pined down and have no other choice park with brakes on and pray for help. That way when help does come your have the numbers rather then them popping in alone.

A side note: At least your rank is not effected by deaths.

Anyone who stays, can tell you that the tide changes fast. Back and forth, 6-2, 2-6, 4-4, all over the place. Half the time if you leave to switch, it drops you in a different game. I still try to switch, if I come into a game that is way off.

I did bring him down 4/5 times ...

So he left me !!

No prisoners taken nor killed.. !

Wait a min... Does that mean im the first one he has left to live .... ?

Im ndver going alone against him or blue max again...

I did ghost kill blue 2/3 times..

He may get back to me

I am glad Reaper brought up this topic. I am newbie in this game and I know exactly how that feels. Being outnumbered is one thing, the reds being all high ranking is quite another. One Day 2 of me playing this game I was already thrown up against the MORAFs and I was forced pay real money for a better plane to avoid being slaughtered. Slaughtered not due to the lack of skill but because lousy equipment.

It is not about the skill newbie need to learn etc, there are so many factors, the size of the screen is one. Newbies cannot afford the best planes, and even if they did, without upgrades it is almost useless. I have been playing simulators for the past 20+ years and this is one of the most frustrating games for newbies. The only reason I am still around is that I have a squadron and only my skills from those past 20 years kept me from being slaughtered.

I remember one of the mission when I alone went up against 3 Marshals. After I shot them down they made snide remarks. I have even encountered high ranking player spawn killing in an uneven game and when I objected, he has the cheek to say that he likes camping and laughs. For that matter there are some high ranking players out there who laughs at the lower ranking players after killing them.

And there are the few nice MORAFs and high ranking players which are nicer like Davy Crockett, Reaper, BStrachan and even WIG etc (you know who you are cause you are the players that I greet). Even of they killed you they don't make snide remarks. And not to mention all the cussing in the Chatroom and in game. I am old enough to ignore those remarks and brush it off or quit when it is too intolerable. But remember there are many young players out there. Cut the newbies some slack.

And I do agree with Reaper that finally this will all go downhill. I have been playing this game for less than a month and I already feel disillusioned. Players will go to a better game. There will be better games with less bugs, and more forgiving environment.

Just my 2 cents

|111th| On_Wings_oF wrote: Numbers don't always equal an advantage. A MORAF is equal to 2 planes at least. So any script made to balance the number of planes will not work either, though it would get closer.
I've been in a 6 vs. 2 match and it was all we could do to reach the base, and even harder to reach the hangers. Then others reds showed up and we lost. Same thing just yesterday I was alone vs. 6, finely got over whelmed and my base swarming, and all but gave up hope then just in time two blues joined and by the end we won.

I'm not saying it's an ideal set up, or it's always fun to be very outnumbered. More fun if your a great flyer bucking the odds maybe. But try not to give up, or if your pined down and have no other choice park with brakes on and pray for help. That way when help does come your have the numbers rather then them popping in alone.

A side note: At least your rank is not effected by deaths.

Sounds like a game I came in on the other day. Figured I would chime in on the subject. I've only been playing for a few months and at first felt a little overwhelmed at being on the low end. I have a competitive attitude and was shot down many times. But I didn't complain..just kept trying to learn. I almost always ended a game with far more deaths than kills. Today, because of training and advice from a few great friends in the Misfits, I really end a game with those same ratios and now will switch if possible to help an outnumbered team. I have come to really like the targef-rich environment and will often switch to get that. The game is awesome...some of the players...well not so much. I recently played a game where we were outnumbered and found a moraf dumper. Dumping is fine for me as I'll dump and meet; they usually leave as what happened in this case. For me, no big deal...a newbie? Well that is frustrating. I think it's quite admirable when the higher ranks post attention for that and attempt a switch to help out the newer players. We've all been there. I think just even offering to switch goes a long way. Just my two cents.

Hey CAG dcc,

I hear you. I remember it just like you say. Some players are real jerks and some are great. I still remember several choice moments. There are some names that I will always remember for their deeds, good and bad.

As for the planes, it would be cool to have a server which would only allow the lower level planes. It would encourage their use. The SE5a and the Albatross DV are better performing planes than the others. I think that when people choose another plane they are doing it as a personal challenge. There may be a few upper ranks who actually prefer some others. I like to fly the Spad and the Fokker mono wing but there have been many games where I've wished I had the other so I could better fight someone in a top plane.

I am always hopeful that things will improve. They do. They have over all. The game has had times where it seemed to run smoother and times where it was unplayable. Some changes are real improvements others are a pita. I'm still interested. People come and go. People leave and come back. It's like the "real world"

I'd like to see it hit a point where it works well and goes viral. It might be the curse that will drive me away. I hope it works for you in a way that draws you in and makes you strive to get better and kick some butt just so I've got more good players to get to know. If not, I wish you well. There are plenty other directions to go.

I know im new and I havent got much experience, but from past games and what ive learned through the years of life. I can only say that the storm will never last, eventually the sun will shine through. There will be times when the odds are in our favor and times when theyre not. I have to agree with most of all of what yall have said. For noobs I understand being out numbered can suck, and if we cant help them out by switching we can do other things. Such as make the match as quick as possible, dont camp them or spawn kill them and keep the pack tight. Its just my beliefs though that you get what you desurve. To stay in a tough match out numbered till its over does indeed show alot of character. And those are the ones that will get better and will last awile. Much respect for those.

Jetboy wrote: I know im new and I havent got much experience, but from past games and what ive learned through the years of life. I can only say that the storm will never last, eventually the sun will shine through. There will be times when the odds are in our favor and times when theyre not. I have to agree with most of all of what yall have said. For noobs I understand being out numbered can suck, and if we cant help them out by switching we can do other things. Such as make the match as quick as possible, dont camp them or spawn kill them and keep the pack tight. Its just my beliefs though that you get what you desurve. To stay in a tough match out numbered till its over does indeed show alot of character. And those are the ones that will get better and will last awile. Much respect for those.

I think you should start off on a an honest footing and tell the forum who you are or have been in the past. You certainly aren't a noob.

What are you talking about? Ive had a few other accounts in my past, but ive never been on forum and none of yall would know me because I never made it past level 6 because it always wanted me to pay for it. This is my first return in 4 months. And you going to start talking crap to me when you dont even know me????? Who do you think you are anyways huh? Yeah I might not be a "noob" but if you search my name in rankings,there are certainly better players then me. so why dont you just back up mister. All I was did was make a freindly statment so I can get my name out there, maybe make a few friends and this is the fist thing I get!!!! Leave me alone I dont even care to hear your story. You already made a bad first impression.

Walking in a game that is already 6 vs 1 and staying (making it 7 vs 1) is pointless, and tasteless. Unfortunately this is not a rare scenery...

Avma wrote: Walking in a game that is already 6 vs 1 and staying (making it 7 vs 1) is pointless, and tasteless. Unfortunately this is not a rare scenery...

Knowing "1001" , That's not too bad of an imbalance.

All kidding aside, I couldn't agree with you more Avma.

Well said.