Ok .
We all know the drill.
Someone does something in a game.
It goes to back to the forum.
It gets discussed and fought over in squads, blacklist thread, messages to mods ect.
That's all fine, but the problem is it happens every other day! And everyone has a different idea of what "rule breaking" is.

Why not just have a rule book.

"Was that a spawnkill?"
"No it wasn't."
"he was putting on cover fire to bomb. "
"But he was to close"
"I've seen morafs do it."
"That still doesn't make it right."
"Why not."...........

When thers a problem like this ....

What's the rule book say?

So I think this would help a lot of issues floating around the forum.
And clarify a lot of GREY area.

The general rule is: Do not do as I do

fox#1 wrote: Ok .
We all know the drill.
Someone does something in a game.
It goes to back to the forum.
It gets discussed and fought over in squads, blacklist thread, messages to mods ect.
That's all fine, but the problem is it happens every other day! And everyone has a different idea of what "rule breaking" is.

Why not just have a rule book.

"Was that a spawnkill?"
"No it wasn't."
"he was putting on cover fire to bomb. "
"But he was to close"
"I've seen morafs do it."
"That still doesn't make it right."
"Why not."...........

When thers a problem like this ....

What's the rule book say?

So I think this would help a lot of issues floating around the forum.
And clarify a lot of GREY area.

Great idea Fox, but who would write it? I mean, I volunteer to write it - that's the easy part - but then there would be a whole thread of disagreements with the rules that are open to interpretation, and there would be a ton of them.
So, to avoid that, Zuperman and his team would have to write it, but I doubt they have the time or the desire to do it.
Perhaps instead of a "Rule" book, a book of etiquette would be better accepted by the masses. Others have posted similar guidelines but it just never seems to stick. The other problem is the thousands of players who don't come here to the forum, so to be effective any rules or guidelines would have to be posted in the actual game.

Something else that occurred to me is; there isn't much point investing time and effort into a rule or guideline book here on the forum because its rarely us here on the forum who break the rules, it's the anonymous players in the game that are the repeat offenders. I can't remember the last time there was a problem with anyone here on the forum that went unresolved, because we're all known to each other here and respect each other.

I agree though Fox, a set of rules or guidelines really would keep things clear, I just think it has to come from Echoboom to have any effect.

Don't mistake etiquette for rules. And be careful about making too many rules.

Even spawn killing is a gray area since there are situations where it is almost necessary. Some would want to make it a rule that you can't drop if it is a bombing game. Many would want to make it a rule that you can't camp.

I've been "accused" of dropping a lot recently. Some times I've just corkscrewed by(while carrying a bomb) and shot them from behind. "Are you carrying?" Sometimes I have dropped to go after a camper or a sneaker, a dropper or to take out a red tank. If I'm at my base and there are no reds in sight I'll reload, otherwise I'll shoot.

I've also been accused of camping after bombing because I shoot down any reds that I can on the way out.

If you have a problem with the way I or another player plays pull on your big boy pants and work up some skills to counter it. Don't go trying to make rules to tell everyone how they are supposed to play the game. I find it a good challenge to have to flush out some red campers. Sure it's annoying to get spawn killed but there are ways of dealing with it. Nothing is more gratifying to me than chasing off a dropper/chaser and see them leave the game.

If you come upon some red droppers in a game it might be a good time to do a sneak. It's not like they are going to take out your hangars while you do. And seriously, if you can't figure out how dropping can contribute to a team win you have no imagination.

Please don't whine. Don't complain. It just makes for bad times. Don't make dogfight into a Nanny state with rules about how you are supposed to play this game which is nearly 100% skill.. Just rise above and show them why their behavior is not a good practice.

McFate wrote: Don't mistake etiquette for rules. And be careful about making too many rules.

Even spawn killing is a gray area since there are situations where it is almost necessary. Some would want to make it a rule that you can't drop if it is a bombing game. Many would want to make it a rule that you can't camp.

I've been "accused" of dropping a lot recently. Some times I've just corkscrewed by and shot them from behind. "Are you carrying?" Sometimes I have dropped to go after a camper or a sneaker, a dropper or to take out a red tank. If I'm at my base and there are no reds in sight I'll reload, otherwise I'll shoot.

I've also been accused of camping after bombing because I shoot down any reds that I can on the way out.

If you have a problem with the way I or another player plays pull on your big boy pants and work up some skills to counter it. Don't go trying to make rules to tell everyone how they are supposed to play the game. I find it a good challenge to have to flush out some red campers. Sure it's annoying to get spawn killed but there are ways of dealing with it. Nothing is more gratifying to me than chasing off a dropper/chaser and see them leave the game.

If you come upon some red droppers in a game it might be a good time to do a sneak. It's not like they are going to take out your hangars while you do. And seriously, if you can't figure out how dropping can contribute to a team win you have no imagination.

Please don't whine. Don't complain. It just makes for bad times. Don't make dogfight into a Nanny state with rules about how you are supposed to play this game which is nearly 100% skill.. Just rise above and show them why their behavior is not a good practice.

Youre in the big boy servers now. Like McFate said pull up your big boy pants and find a way to make them pay.

You're right McFate, I can't deny. You too T.R.
And the more I think about it the less I want any kind of rule book. I thought it might cut down on in-game bitching, arguing, and whining. But it won't.

The only rule should be don't shoot at hammer tool too much

Rules of etiquette #1. Its your fault that you let the zep get that close to your base. That wasnt a spawn kill or 2 or 5. Next time try harder when your in open air.

That one is up for opinions.
Still just happy to be back playing.
But that person shouldn't have said quit spawn killing...

Rule #1 there ain't no rules.
Rule #2 same as rule #1.

Thanks for all the input guys.

I like the idea of the rule book but that is sort of what squad guidelines are for. But some people are not in squads and this would solve some arguments.

After what I just saw in a game I would like to request a rule to make it so you cannot have a name with only periods or commas.

This makes the player almost invisible which certainly has nothing to do with skill.

Just look at the not-superior wig, his name has cowardly spaces.

WE STILL EXTERMINATE

Ooooooooooowwwwwww!!!!!!

Porkfinger wrote:

fox#1 wrote: Ok .
We all know the drill.
Someone does something in a game.
It goes to back to the forum.
It gets discussed and fought over in squads, blacklist thread, messages to mods ect.
That's all fine, but the problem is it happens every other day! And everyone has a different idea of what "rule breaking" is.

Why not just have a rule book.

"Was that a spawnkill?"
"No it wasn't."
"he was putting on cover fire to bomb. "
"But he was to close"
"I've seen morafs do it."
"That still doesn't make it right."
"Why not."...........

When thers a problem like this ....

What's the rule book say?

So I think this would help a lot of issues floating around the forum.
And clarify a lot of GREY area.

Great idea Fox, but who would write it? I mean, I volunteer to write it - that's the easy part - but then there would be a whole thread of disagreements with the rules that are open to interpretation, and there would be a ton of them.
So, to avoid that, Zuperman and his team would have to write it, but I doubt they have the time or the desire to do it.
Perhaps instead of a "Rule" book, a book of etiquette would be better accepted by the masses. Others have posted similar guidelines but it just never seems to stick. The other problem is the thousands of players who don't come here to the forum, so to be effective any rules or guidelines would have to be posted in the actual game.

Something else that occurred to me is; there isn't much point investing time and effort into a rule or guideline book here on the forum because its rarely us here on the forum who break the rules, it's the anonymous players in the game that are the repeat offenders. I can't remember the last time there was a problem with anyone here on the forum that went unresolved, because we're all known to each other here and respect each other.

I agree though Fox, a set of rules or guidelines really would keep things clear, I just think it has to come from Echoboom to have any effect.

Don't forget guys it wasn't that long ago that i posted the unofficial dogfight laws as a reference for noobs in case they saw something that qualified as bad behavior. It did absolutely nothing. Yea things happen in thus game that irritate the crap outta me. Sometimes I'mjust having a bad day. As t.r. and mcfate said pull on your big boy pants. As much as i hate to admit it, bad behavior and less than honorable play are becoming the norm. This leaves us with a choice. A) we throw the rules out the window and engage in total war against each other (including spawnkilling and camping), or the honorable players band together, speak with bullets, and run people off
who play without honor. Personally my biggest gripe is the cheaters. I can deal with everything else, except for those cheaters with lag switches like predator-FAB who i ran into in my last match almost a week ago. And sadly that's one of the things that's driving me away. What's the point if I'm just gonna lose bc some cheap clown is gonna use a lag switch to win?

And as far as spaces in players names goes that's a two way street bc it doesn't take skill to line a target up by using a pre determined reference in their name, just like adding a space to make yourself harder to see at long range doesn't take any skill either. Just one more thing I'm sick of seeing people cry about. That being said i do think ones name should just be more than a collection of punctuation marks just so that others know what to call you.

[WS]HD wrote: And as far as spaces in players names goes that's a two way street bc it doesn't take skill to line a target up by using a pre determined reference in their name, just like adding a space to make yourself harder to see at long range doesn't take any skill either. Just one more thing I'm sick of seeing people cry about. That being said i do think ones name should just be more than a collection of punctuation marks just so that others know what to call you.

Lol.
I've seen a lot of that.
Someone says , "hey ../.. Cover me".
Reg names are nice cuz u can easily give them nick names.

TheGodOfGods wrote: Just look at the not-superior wig, his name has cowardly spaces.

WE STILL EXTERMINATE

The space in my name that started as a personal signature convention, dating back years before Dogfight existed, I now realize was a prescient anticipation of the superior TheGodofGods in a game I couldn't have known I'd ever play. Fate was putting a jackboot on my neck, saying, "Dude, one day a mouthy little noob is going to tell you what's what. Best get busy putting spaces in your name now, before it's too late."

Cruel Fate. Cruel Dogfight. Cruel TheGodofGods. I feel so...exterminated.

TheGodofGods doesn't come up in a DF database search. Must be a case of that non-cowardly ban-dodging we've all heard about.

TheGodOfGods wrote: Just look at the not-superior wig, his name has cowardly spaces.

WE STILL EXTERMINATE

wait til you see my name:)

gen~~~~~~~~jack

I'm to nice though to be exterminated

It's January 6th Fox hunting season is now open...
I just happen to know where to find one...

TheGodOfGods wrote: Just look at the not-superior wig, his name has cowardly spaces.

WE STILL EXTERMINATE

EXTERMINATE , again, is it necessary....

Oh no, not again!