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"Camping" may be offensive to you, or against your squads rules of conduct, but flying around a runway and shooting planes AFTER they are airborne has not been, as far as I know, named as a bannable act. If your squad frowns on it, I could really care less as I'm not, and will not be a member of it.

As far as I'm concerned, if you turn around and immediately go back after bombing, you are throwing the teamwork aspect of this game out the window. . If you continue making up assinine rules for the game, no one will play the game.


Jacklpe

I hate to be disrespectful to a mod, and I would come to you privately regarding this matter, but you chose to conceal your identity during the game. I have no choice then but to call you out publicly.

Just to put my opinion out there.

Mods should only mute people when they are using bad language like its there first language. No muting when one or two slips because they are frustrated.

You should only Ban some one from in the game if they Team kill every one. But before you ban them make sure to see if you can talk sense into them by telling them you shoot the red not the blue. If they continue see if they got the glitch where they think there in a dogfight. If they continue then to hell with them.

Mods should not kick people because they are spawn killing or camping. There are no rules against spawn killing and camping except in squads. If some one is spawn killing and camping you don't ban them or mute them you simply just tell there squad and let there squad deal with them. There squad can not ban them but they can be kicked or removed from the squad.

Ban/mute offenses

• Team-killing over and over
  Using vulgar language for rude and mean behavior

Skydavis1 wrote: Just to put my opinion out there.

Mods should only mute people when they are using bad language like its there first language. No muting when one or two slips because they are frustrated.

You should only Ban some one from in the game if they Team kill every one. But before you ban them make sure to see if you can talk sense into them by telling them you shoot the red not the blue. If they continue see if they got the glitch where they think there in a dogfight. If they continue then to hell with them.

Mods should not kick people because they are spawn killing or camping. There are no rules against spawn killing and camping except in squads. If some one is spawn killing and camping you don't ban them or mute them you simply just tell there squad and let there squad deal with them. There squad can not ban them but they can be kicked or removed from the squad.

Ban/mute offenses

• Team-killing over and over
  Using vulgar language for rude and mean behavior

Thanks sky. In that game I was letting the guys take off and go into a turn b4 firing. I'm sure many of you have had me buzz over your head on a carrier deck w/o firing b/c I stopped spawning a long time ago except when bombers are about to drop, and in Zep games.

I do the same as you and I don't want some mod kicking me for it as well.

Same here, guys.

Me too, first turn out is the start of the kill zone for me. Sometimes someone doesn't turn, and that's their mistake not mine. Although if it's a relative noob I will text "hey xxxx turn hard to evade!" in an attempt to coach. As soon as they respond F Off, they are mince meat

The spawnpoint is a kill zone for me only in BTB and BTC when incoming with a bomb. ESPECIALLY now with segregated servers.

One time I did get on someone for sheer kill mongering in Shoot Zepp. I was defending the zepp, and this high ranked red on the Kill Zepp side flew right past the blimp to my airport and spawnkilled my teammate, who was a little green and wasn't on the brakes. My teammate threw out a wtf? and I replied "yeah xxxx does that" because I had seen him do that a few times in other games. The high ranker didn't appreciate the callout. I mean, are you so desperate for K/D ratio that you fly PAST the blimp just to hit a level 10 on the runway? No bomb, and as for the mission, umm, you kind of blew right by it.

But like you said, it's all part of the game, it's all legal and certainly not bannable. If Z wanted this game to be a series of Atari bombing runs, he would have programmed it that way, but guess what, we have the freedom to fly around an entire airspace.

Manfred

If i spawn into a game (and it happens) with 7 reds and I'm alone i don't care, I EXPECT TO SHOT TO CRAP AND NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND. IT'S FUN TO TRY THOUGH.

I was on btb mission, i flew over hamburger hill and as they were spawning and taking off i probably got 6 or 8 kills in that short amount of time. One guy called me a sk and several other names. I explained to him that on a bombing run you shoot anything that moves. He said oh, then left the game.

MANNY..
There is no bomb in Zep game. My job as the defender is to suppress the enemy, not just hang by the big cigar. I'll go high or around to accomplish MY mission.
The exception is when someone is out numbered and I've tried several times to change.
I'll sit AWAY for their base and handle it. Mostly, I get shot down. But, I kill the time just keeping them busy.

It wasn't me...and you know I play fair & honorably.

But, that's how I handle it.

I find it interesting to see how many people will kill at spawn point as you put it. And think its ok, But when it happens to them they cry piss and moan and then leave the game when they can't get off the ground.... Yes the is to kill each other and we have all become very good at it. But really what fun is killing a red if he's help less and by that I mean just taking off and has not yet reached speeds enough to defend himself? I enjoy the game and I to will return after bombing if fired at but even then I tend not to shoot but rather buzz around keeping them busy till other team mates arrive, by then the reds are airborn and up to speed and fair game..... But after they make the 1st turn off runway???? Really???? Not much sport in that now is there?

Dr Dave wrote: I find it interesting to see how many people will kill at spawn point as you put it. And think its ok, But when it happens to them they cry piss and moan and then leave the game when they can't get off the ground.... Yes the is to kill each other and we have all become very good at it. But really what fun is killing a red if he's help less and by that I mean just taking off and has not yet reached speeds enough to defend himself? I enjoy the game and I to will return after bombing if fired at but even then I tend not to shoot but rather buzz around keeping them busy till other team mates arrive, by then the reds are airborn and up to speed and fair game..... But after they make the 1st turn off runway???? Really???? Not much sport in that now is there?

It's all relative Dave. I was giving the guys a fair chance. A lot more of one than I'm usually offered.... But, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. I'll just say that I felt like I didn't do anything wrong.

I will say that I'll comment "nice spawn job" if someone is killing me before I can take off, but that's as far as it goes with me. Honestly I do it just to get in their head a l

Not saying you did. I'm just putting my 2 cents in the pot

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: MANNY..
There is no bomb in Zep game. My job as the defender is to suppress the enemy, not just hang by the big cigar. I'll go high or around to accomplish MY mission.
The exception is when someone is out numbered and I've tried several times to change.
I'll sit AWAY for their base and handle it. Mostly, I get shot down. But, I kill the time just keeping them busy.

It wasn't me...and you know I play fair & honorably.

But, that's how I handle it.

Hey Paul,

I think you and I aren't quite communicatin' (quote from the Mrs.).
1. My comment about no bomb was (supposed to be) riddled with sarcasm. Of course there are no bombs in Shoot Zepp! Which is why it was perplexing to me why this dude would zoom past the zepp (his goal and point-rich target) to drill bullets into the enemy airport's spawn point.
2. Totally agree that when defending zepp, a key tactic is to keep the Shooters from even getting to the zepp, and airport camping is a part of that. But this high ranker was not defending, he was on the Shoot Zepp side! If Iwere also on the Shoot Zepp team with him, I'd be saying "Dude help me dump bullets into the blimp, I can't kill it by myself! We'll deal death to zepp defenders when they get close. But you're not helping us kill the zepp by camping at their base!"

Hmm, or maybe you mean that it can be strategic to suppress the defenders from suppressing the Shooters. By inference the Shooters should suppress the Defenders so they can't suppress the Shooters from suppressing the Defenders

Anyway, I wasn't sure if you and I were talking about the same thing.

Manfred

Manfred wrote:

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: MANNY..
There is no bomb in Zep game. My job as the defender is to suppress the enemy, not just hang by the big cigar. I'll go high or around to accomplish MY mission.
The exception is when someone is out numbered and I've tried several times to change.
I'll sit AWAY for their base and handle it. Mostly, I get shot down. But, I kill the time just keeping them busy.

It wasn't me...and you know I play fair & honorably.

But, that's how I handle it.

Hey Paul,

I think you and I aren't quite communicatin' (quote from the Mrs.).
1. My comment about no bomb was (supposed to be) riddled with sarcasm. Of course there are no bombs in Shoot Zepp! Which is why it was perplexing to me why this dude would zoom past the zepp (his goal and point-rich target) to drill bullets into the enemy airport's spawn point.
2. Totally agree that when defending zepp, a key tactic is to keep the Shooters from even getting to the zepp, and airport camping is a part of that. But this high ranker was not defending, he was on the Shoot Zepp side! If Iwere also on the Shoot Zepp team with him, I'd be saying "Dude help me dump bullets into the blimp, I can't kill it by myself! We'll deal death to zepp defenders when they get close. But you're not helping us kill the zepp by camping at their base!"

Hmm, or maybe you mean that it can be strategic to suppress the defenders from suppressing the Shooters. By inference the Shooters should suppress the Defenders so they can't suppress the Shooters from suppressing the Defenders

Anyway, I wasn't sure if you and I were talking about the same thing.

Manfred

Actually the ideal Zep game would be the two highest ranking guys on the offensive side jamming the defenders airport while the rest of the team kills the Zep. It's not fair to the two high rankers not to get a piece of the points bonanza that is offered, but it almost assures a win for the overall team.

In other words, your second scenario =yes

The only time I will try to kill a enemy near spawn is when they are off the ground and making their turn to come after you, or when they start shooting at you or they are already up. I do not and will not kill when their wheels are still on the ground. Now if its a CtC game and they land on the carrier I will try to kill them, or if they try to land to rearm.

I will hang around the enemies runway to try to cover them on a bomb run, but I still will not kill until they make their first turn or start shooting.

And in dogfight mode I wont hang around spawn and go to the middle of the map, cause dogfighting is the name of the game, not shooting before they can get off the runway mode.

Well this has turned into another bitch and moan session where we all go around in circles and never prove anything, so lets just say goodbye to this thread.

And "all luck". When you look in the mirror tonight, you are looking at a chickensh!t who is afraid to stand on his own feet and stand behind his decisions. I would have happily discussed the game with you, and if you made your case well, even maybe changed some of my wicked ways. We'll never know though b/c you are a coward.

Goodbye useless thread!

Dave you should know by now if you want something deleted here you have to start talking about SPANKING MONKEYS the chief Monkey and bottle washer doesn't like that kinda talk and he will delete it ASAP!!! right General J ?

We could always turn it into a photo dump for all of our favorite WWII bomber nose pin up girls. God knows that'll get it deleted.

Having grown up near Memphis, here is the one near and dear to me

I love the old pin up art we should be able to put some on our planes in game

I agree, but there is a certain mod who would have a stroke.

I know some of you lot on here are quite desperate, so here's one for you desperado's....

Here is a yummy one

I locked the topic. I'm not deleting leave that to someone else. I locked it because it was going way off topic . Kevy

Wow, I don't play for a day and look what happens

As for concealing my identity- I have been All Luck in game for some time now. Most people know. I respond to any one who asks in game that I am J. I am not hiding.

As for the comment that there are no rules against spawn killing and camping, I beg to differ. The moderators have made it clear that spawn killing is against the rules. Zuperman himself has named spawn killing specifically. Also the generic phrase game ruining is used often when describing the rules of the game. As a moderator, I am tasked with preventing game ruining. What I saw you doing was game ruining. There were only 4 of us in that game, you and I ( expirianced players ) and 2 very junior players against us. I saw in chat box that you were repeatadly killing them. I asked you not to camp, you continued. At that point I determined that you were ruining the game...not only for the junior players, but for me as well. I kicked you from the game. Please note, I did not short term ban you from my in game controls, nor did i ban you longer term from the main mod panel. I simply slapped your hand by kicking you from that game. I was disappointed to see you acting like that in game. I am greatly disappointed to see that you are so upset over the matter that you would actually start this thread to do nothing more than whine.

If you feel you need to complain about me, or any moderator, the correct way to do it is directly to Zuperman.

It's not locked anymore....

I noticed, thank you lol

i say we start talking about SPANKING MONKEYS that'll get em going.....