This was posted to youtube months ago-

$http://youtu.be/igieD_lZ4KQ




Gee those conspiracy theorists are nuts arent they (why don't they get their facts from mainstream media, they MUST be wrong)? You should ALWAYS trust government!

I like the military but America needs to their own business, if Syria wants to support terrorists and all that then fine let them do it. I mean maybe if they threatened us but like Skydavis said, we need to focus on cures for diseases and stuff like that.

Ryan273935 wrote: I like the military but America needs to their own business, if Syria wants to support terrorists and all that then fine let them do it. I mean maybe if they threatened us but like Skydavis said, we need to focus on cures for diseases and stuff like that.

This is a bit off topic but nice squad banner lol.

BTJ582 wrote:

BT, that article pretty well puts it all in a nut shell. Isn't it frightening that so many otherwise seemingly intelligent people fail to have a grasp on this by now? So much could be gained by observing history, paying attention to current affairs, and a bit of honest analytical thinking. And in the case of most politicians, the missing ingredient; honesty.

A Million times Stand Back!!! Its been said that Barack Hussein has hard evidence but where is it? All the evedence l and the world has scene was of the Rebals firing the weapons. We were duped once before and now we are to belive the great a**hole in office and his minions? Yeah, right. Barack Hussein just yesterday in his Speech said they pose NO threat th the United States and he also said if he were still in the Sen. He would vote NO. A Peace Prize winner, lol.
I enjoy my life the way it is right now. I will be vert VERY upset when the global market crumbles which china warns. I will be upset if a missle hit me and my town because Russia fired one. I will be sad if one of our warships gets blown up by a missle.
This whole thing is crazy and i cant believe this is happening.

I certainly can believe it. Read the revelations of the bible, it's all in there.

There is no doubt that chemical warfare has been used but we need to stand down. We do not have a respected admin, we have no respected leaders and we are no longer united as a country. We have to many little nations within our nation.

LOOK AT DEARBORN MICH. THEY ARE NOW USING THEIR OWN LAW. Ps, its a Muslim city now. The cops won't even go in there.

Skydavis1 wrote: America just needs to stop baby sitting the rest of the world.

Baby sitting???? Really??

I was about to write a bunch of text in answer to your post, Sky. But in the end, I prefer not to do it.
Instead, I focus on this very expression: baby sitting. Try to change it for another one, related to petroleum, or related to greed, or related to unfair use of technology for business/commercial/profit purposes, etc. You may get a clearer picture.

BigC5798 wrote: This was posted to youtube months ago-
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Gee those conspiracy theorists are nuts arent they (why don't they get their facts from mainstream media, they MUST be wrong)? You should ALWAYS trust government!

BigC, what da heck do those fools talk about at things like, umm, the G2 Summit? Or is history like this shelved as lunatic fringe? Seems like it would be hard to hide from.
Manfred

An even better way to get a "clearer picture" is to look at the regimes of many of the oil producing countries and what THEY have been doing with their untold wealth all these years. Instead of doing a damned thing to help their own people, or anyone else in the world for that matter, they use it to support their own personal lavish lifestyles (greed?) and to fund terrorism around the world. No honest, serious discussion about greed, corruption, oppression, and just a general disregard for human life, can be had without including ALL of the Islamic nations, China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Mexico and much of Africa!

oedius wrote: An even better way to get a "clearer picture" is to look at the regimes of many of the oil producing countries and what THEY have been doing with their untold wealth all these years. Instead of doing a damned thing to help their own people, or anyone else in the world for that matter, they use it to support their own personal lavish lifestyles (greed?) and to fund terrorism around the world. No honest, serious discussion about greed, corruption, oppression, and just a general disregard for human life, can be had without including ALL of the Islamic nations, China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Mexico and much of Africa!

DAVY says, WELL SAID, BRAVO.

Ped. I didn't realize that our country was so awful.

I'm gonna bite my tongue on that statement and wait for you to expound further. We have our shortcomings, but we do a hell of a lot of good in the world also.

Trying not to put my big foot in my mouth...

Let me start of with this--
Grand fathers-WWII and Korea
Great uncle-went down while on board USS Sculpin SS 191 WWII
Dad and uncle-Vietnam
Me-Cold War
Oldest son-Iraq
14 y/o son-??
Grand kids-??
I will come back to the above. So the question is whether we (US and allies0 should intervene. To tell the truth I do not know. I watch the news and have been reading this thread and then I think. I sometimes really hate it when I think. That said I sometimes really envy my dogs. Man to just live for the moment, in a positive way of course. When I begin to think I know the answers to the worlds problems, I realize I must do a little self-evaluating. Am I being the best husband, father, friend and member of society? Am I being true to myself? I must ask and answer these questions. If I do not come to an appropriate answer then I have some work to do. Oh I am not preaching by the way. I guess the point I am getting to is what is the burden for me to carry? I believe that every human being has the right to live and be safe. Not everyone agrees with that belief. I cannot hop over to Syria or another country for that matter and rescue people. So what can I do? Well I try to tell my wife that I love her and how beautiful she looks before she leaves for work every morning. I tell my kids that I love them and how proud I am of them. I try to be honest with my family and friends and be willing to help them when they are down. I start with my family and that overflows to my community. I hope. Does this mean I do not care about what happens elsewhere? No. This is when I think about the list I began with. All of those men, and the men and women who have served, do so under the belief, whether they are aware of it or not, that their job is to preserve that right to live in safety. I firmly believe this. That is what gives me hope. The past and current government leadership, all the world included, does not instill that feeling of hope in me. Evil exists and good does eventually win. Does not seem that way sometimes, but I feel it does. A person I admire is Viktor Frankl. If you do not know about him look him up. Not enough room here. Living through and watching his family and others die during the Holocaust was a horrible experience for him, but he remained strong. He was able to see and experience evil, lose much to it, but never lost the fact that he deserves to live and live free. When situations such as Syria happen I try to remember this. I am lucky. What is my biggest complaint or worry today? What is my ranking in DF, do I have the best quarter back picked for this weekends fantasy football, will the iphone 5s be available soon? Wow! I guess I am like my dog after all. My point is we are lucky to be able to discuss this topic here. I am lucky for what I have. My solution then to this Syria problem is to help my fellow man that is close to me. I cannot fret about people I cannot help. Again back to the service members. That was my job at one time and is now theirs. If my country decides we must help those innocent people then I am on board. I just hope that that is the reason for intervention. The world changed during the Yalta Conference. We see evidence of that now. So far money seems to be the driving force now and has been since the beginning of time. Oh by the way my tin foil hat is now planted on my tiny head. Oil? yup! Wealth? Yup! Drugs? Most certainly!70's and 80's-cocaine and crack. Now? Meth(from Mexico) and heroin. We are not buddies with Turkey anymore. We need air and land space to transport heroin and opium. Pharmaceutical companies need opium to make pain meds. America is addicted to pain meds. England and China--1800's -Opium Wars. So this has happened in our worlds history before. Sorry to take up so much space, but I appreciate everyone's opinions. Like I said, it makes me think. So for today I will not try to teach the world to sing, or hold hands across the water, but I will make every attempt to be a better person to those in which I can, and hopefully that action will spread to every one. Now I am taking my Berkies off and I am going to watch some videos of atomic bomb test explosions.

Very well put BT. I just hope that people in other countries understand that the average American's heart is usually for goodness and kindness, not oil and greed. We aren't always represented well by our so called leaders, but the US is its people, not the few powerful.

Our problem, in my mind, is that we are easily distracted. The most intelligent people here will often forego their god given common sense and elect people based on emotional nonissues that make no difference at all. They worry about who ate the dog and who tied the dog to the top of the car. Then, as soon as its over, they become rational and intelligent people who are loving and kind and want to spread their generosity throughout the world again.

It's the craziest game of smoke and mirrors that one can imagine, yet the masses fall for it over and over and over again. But, please understand that those same masses, in their hearts, want us to spread good and freedom throughout the world. And that's how we are dragged in to these messes.


My feeling towards Syria is that my enemy is killing my enemy. I don't think we should go. But, if we must, then lets do so like the wrath of god. Lets be quick, lets be decisive, lets hurry up and come back home. Obviously, it won't happen that way, so lets just stay home.

Pedrinho wrote:

Skydavis1 wrote: America just needs to stop baby sitting the rest of the world.

Baby sitting???? Really??

I was about to write a bunch of text in answer to your post, Sky. But in the end, I prefer not to do it.
Instead, I focus on this very expression: baby sitting. Try to change it for another one, related to petroleum, or related to greed, or related to unfair use of technology for business/commercial/profit purposes, etc. You may get a clearer picture.

Ok let me restate it. America needs to stop Baby siting the Middle east. Seems anytime there is a conflict over there we have to be involved.

I say first dissasemble the UN, noyhing but ignerant money mouller panzies....

As Russia is a big allie to syria this is a tkugh quest to figure out stratigecly if we move what will they do in covert opps. I dont think they would sit aside without a possitate approucn.

Tough tough and very tough to concide action.

But
It must be proven with certiancy that the gassing of those citizen, men woman and children was truley placed by the government. Or the party that done so, then concider then should we have a steak jn the game.
Tough tough and very tough to act....

Yes, the U.N. is nothing but a joke; made up and supported by fools and idiots. Bottom line as has already been stated; "our enemies are killing each other". A good comparison I think; the old comedy line, "you can't fix stupid". Well, in the case of the middle east, "you can't fix evil". Oh and back to the "stupid" line; perfectly describes most all of the politicians.

Jacklpe wrote: Ped. I didn't realize that our country was so awful.

I'm gonna bite my tongue on that statement and wait for you to expound further. We have our shortcomings, but we do a hell of a lot of good in the world also.

Trying not to put my big foot in my mouth...

I wrote first, thought later. One of my many flaws. I dont wanted to paint it with so heavy colors, sorry Jack.
I have a friend of mine leaving in the USA, and he tells many good things about your country and about your way of life. I just stated that as a way to express my sadness about ALL THE COUNTRIES in this world that, in a way or another, take part on militar struggles. And we know that, when there are wealthy resources involved, the impetum uses to be stronger, and more innocent people die.
Putting it simple: I refuse to accept that governments of well developed nations still go war. War, for me, is the mother of all stupidities, the mother of all shame.

And to Oedius: well said, indeed, friend. But no one here needs to remind others about those "bad guys". Everybody with a minimum of information already knows how anti-democratic, how primitive, how greedy, how tiranic are the governors of those nations you mentioned. But we all know that the richest countries of the world (not only USA) that are about to participate on this "war" (and on any other international struggles) have high commercial interests on the matter, otherwise they wouldnt give a s****.

Sorry to say that, but this world has too many armed bad guys, and too few REAL HEROES, that, in my opinion, are not people with guns, but people that makes charity, like Herbert de Sousa, my idol, who dedicated his life to help poor people to get a better life.

People talk too much about war, and charity is a rusted word. Sad.

Americans-

As a people, we are nice, trusting (sometimes to the point of naivety) and largly uneducated. But, we let our government misrepresent us, we ignore all the horrible things it does. Because we would rather ignore it and be happy, than be angry for a while to fix it.

Once again, (if you couldn't tell) im a very opinionated little fellow, but my opinions are based on facts, and because humans are bad by nature, i tend to look at the bad side of things (there was a study on babies that proves humans are born horrible people). I'd rather be cynical than naive

Pedrino, no argument from me concerning false motives for getting involved in another mess. How even the most simple minded of fools could give any of these bumbling politicians any credibilty is astounding. Just try listening to John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi attempting to make case for Syrian intervention for example. And what is worse, the brain dead who keep electing this type of vermin. Even John McCain and Lindsey Graham. So many other examples.

Just to be a little offtopic (I already exceeded my dayly quota of asinine-talking just on this topic)...

BigC5798 wrote: ...because humans are bad by nature, i tend to look at the bad side of things (there was a study on babies that proves humans are born horrible people).

Bic C, do you have a son or a daughter? If you have, you know that this "study" is B.S.
Some years ago, I lost my faith in humanity. But after Laura's birth, I recovered it (except for some bad-mood days). Everytime I see Laura sleeping, or when I see her playing around, or when I see her smiling, I rest assured that humans are GOOD by nature. You better believe it.

Your question was directed at BigC, but can I throw in my 2 cents? As Daddy to my two wonderful girls, I will say that human beings have the Potential for goodness, given love, learning, and being with others. But I see what BigC may have been intending. As raw babies, we human creatures are purely selfish! We don't love another until we know our parents' love. That can happen fast, and the love can be very strong! It does happen for most all of us.

But some humans don't learn love and compassion well, and some don't learn it at all. They become teens and then adults, largely unchanged from the selfish and self-serving babies that were their starting point. Some are smart and savvy and acquire power. These are the ones to watch out for, as they will lie and cheat (and are good at it), serve their own interests, and make you think they are considering you.

When people like this lead countries, they serve only their own ideals. Dictators do this, extremist zealots do this, and democratically elected leaders do this. Power corrupts, and corrupt people aspire to power. It happens, and it is happening.

So, who do we trust with our babies? At this point, I am more than a little scared for my babies.

Manfred (in a dark mood, stuck at an airport, sorry)

Oh, Manfred...

I did an attempt to fight my sadness by writing that...
And you come to bring me back to my mood...



Just kidding, I am fine - but I still believe that we are naturally selfish by force of mother Nature, not because of an "evil force". Its a matter of survival - remember that mother Nature still "thinks" that we live in caves, and so she still keep inside us some primitive instincts...

And have a nice fly.

Well, Ped this study, did what Manfred was doing, and I personally believe that there are evil forces in the world and beyond, that control us until we vigilante try to go against them. Humans are born with things like selfishness, greedy, and incompassion. That's what this study proved, the last sentence. Im not saying your daughter is evil, im saying that she has these natural qualities, and children are always better to their parents, who are raising them, than others.

to add some humor to this
www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-...-sending-cong,33752/

As a baby mankind should be looked at as a Blank sheet of paper. We come into this world will nothing more than instinct. Everything else has to be learned. Love, Compassion, Caring, All these things we learn from our parents and or other family members. Otherwise we grow older and play games that teach us how to kill each other in WWI Bi-planes

Sad as it may be, I don't think we should touch it even with a 10 foot pole.
We are always damned if we do and damned if we don't. I do believe we will be better off being damned if we don't.

No option but to agree with Dr. Dave and Manfred.
Looks like Mother Nature is neutral, after all - she doesn't care about good and evil...

Sorry Ped, my last post was worded way too harshly. I'm not mad at you, and I very much understand your point.
Manfred

EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread, as I meant this (more) for the Glitch thread. But it applies here too. Sometimes I find myself being too passionate about a topic to listen and hear clearly what others are saying. I often tell my daughters, if you are talking all the time, how can you hear anything? I'll take a bit of my own advice then.

Same here, Manfred! I had been holding it for so long that it built up too much pressure, I guess.