I'm wondering what you all think of the news coverage on the Asiana 777 crash at SFO. Yes, any crash is just a horrible thing for all involved, including families and friends of passengers, crew, and rescuers. But what do you think about the news coverage?

Some folks say it's fine, doesn't really impact them. Others say the early information has been good for the public. My opinion is that the news is putting out too much that is speculation, and the NTSB has released bits of evidence that normally wouldn't be released until a more complete set of conclusions is ready. IMO, this is leading to early and strong opinions that are premature. Then there's the NTSB, who says that it's not giving out information any differently than per its normal procedure.

But that's just me and my opinion. How about you?

Manfred

Manfred wrote: I'm wondering what you all think of the news coverage on the Asiana 777 crash at SFO. Yes, any crash is just a horrible thing for all involved, including families and friends of passengers, crew, and rescuers. But what do you think about the news coverage?

Some folks say it's fine, doesn't really impact them. Others say the early information has been good for the public. My opinion is that the news is putting out too much that is speculation, and the NTSB has released bits of evidence that normally wouldn't be released until a more complete set of conclusions is ready. IMO, this is leading to early and strong opinions that are premature. Then there's the NTSB, who says that it's not giving out information any differently than per its normal procedure.

But that's just me and my opinion. How about you?

Manfred

Not up on this current story, but the NTSB has a bad habit of looking for the most convienient answers. I'm not their biggest fan.

As a mechanic I haven't watched the coverage much. These events really hit home for me. I always hope it wasn't a mechanic pressured into signing something off. Happened to me the other day. I refused. Got my but chewed. Like I said really hits home.

I wonder if the NTSB is looking at the fuel filters, have a look at the BA 777 that crashed short of EGLL (LHR)

This was not mechanical, this was stickly pilot error, i dont what they were doing in the cockpit but they sure were not paying attention. On a clear day it does not matter about having a ILS, it was a visual approach and it does not matter about the pilot having only 40 hours in that plane, a visual approach with a pilot with that many hours should have been made no matter what he was flying. I've been into that airport and its no big deal, there are airports a lot more difficult like San Diego even. They were so distracted that they just downright missed it.

Also fight 800, now that's a government cover up, everyone knows jet fuel has such a high flash point that a simple spart aint gonna set it off. They even have pictures of a missile coming up from the ocean. Cover up!

Umm... this is kinda what I meant.

dentinhead wrote: As a mechanic I haven't watched the coverage much. These events really hit home for me. I always hope it wasn't a mechanic pressured into signing something off. Happened to me the other day. I refused. Got my but chewed. Like I said really hits home.

Dent, keep on earning those reprimands. And thank you for being that type of guy.

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Very smart my son, you are absolutly correct. It was all a coverup, everyone in the business knows.

Just got a half a@@ed apology today. It's not fun worrying about your job for refusing.to sign something off knowing the plane will sit for weeks because there aren't parts available. Bosses still aren't happy....
Big c and Davy, I agree.....

Edit: they have the same licenses I have. I told them they could sign it off. Why do you think they won't?

Davy Crockett wrote: Very smart my son, you are absolutly correct. It was all a coverup, everyone in the business knows.

Davy, cover ups do not exist, it is imaginary, look at this sentence for 10 seconds
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This just shows how ignorant people are, I have positive proof of a coverup, not long ago this UFO was spotted near here Did you hear anything about it, NO YOU DID NOT,and why is that. U TELL ME. COVER UP.

Davy Crockett wrote: This just shows how ignorant people are, I have positive proof of a coverup, not long ago this UFO was spotted near here Did you hear anything about it, NO YOU DID NOT,and why is that. U TELL ME. COVER UP.

The way you know this one's a conspiracy is the fake city behind that UFO.

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As Davy said it was pilot error. They dropped the throttle too early and then realsised. Increased the throttle but there is a delay and pulling up would just cause a stall. This is why I think it's awful even though tony like one person died.

The point of this thread wasn't diagnosing what happened to the Asiana flight. I should have been more specific, but I was soliciting opinions on the politics of information dissemination and news reporting, and didn't want to spell it out and over-guide the answers. However, I will do that now:
1. Why would the NTSB release some data points, but not others? Isn't this a change from their normal mode, which is to keep things like airspeeds etc. quiet until a more complete picture is concluded?
2. Why would the media eat all this up, play the lemming role, and try to trump each other with so-called expert speculations?

IMO, the answer to the second question is "because we can always count on news media to do that, to respond to entertainment and ratings first in the absence of anything newsworthy." Easy one.

The answer to the first question can be anything on the spectrum, from full-on conspiracy to simple dumb-ass politics. While I do happen to be one of those Flight 800 alternative theorists (why'd those FBI reports so conveniently disappear??), I don't think this one is anything black-helicopter. To me it just seems like public servants who are over-eager to please (NTSB heads), resulting in little premature pieces being chunked out to the media. Besides, I can't come up with any conspiratorial motives.

Well, I do have one, but it's one of those that you keep to yourself, for the moment. And as I've said, it's premature to conclude ANYTHING with only partial data. Although you could infer something from what the partial-ness implies... no I won't go there.

If I were the president of Asiana, I'd be beside myself because the NTSB leaks are only jamming media and public speculation over toward pilot error. Yeah, sure looks like it from what we've been fed, but understand that there could still be mechanical, electronic, physiological, philanthropic, gustatory, and olfactory reasons WHY the plane was slow, low, and left. (Ok ok, maybe not the last three reasons lol.)

So, back to question #1: WHY would NTSB do something (release information prematurely) that so obviously would slam public opinion toward pilot error, when there is a (small) chance that the final conclusions have some other mitigating factors? They are creating a self-fulfilling pressure on themselves to write the report exactly in that direction, when the accident is only 4 days old. Why o why?

Manfred

My wife told me about that. I sometimes watch KTVU when I travel to San Francisco, and they definitely qualify as the kind of uninformed hype-based local news that does not check sources well. I saw some other chat board where KTVU apologized, and blamed it on someone [unnamed] at NTSB who had confirmed the names. Yeah, right! In a Twitter stream accompanying that board, someone wrote something like "yeah the NTSB guy's name was Ben Dover."

Only KTVU could create something embarrassing and disrespectful, in this whole tragedy.

Manfred

Names of the pilots revealed. I messed my keyboard with coffee when I heard this.

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its soo wrong but dam, how do they not pick up on that..one would think someone in the casting team would have heard these before, how embarassing

I love this stuff, These people never prof read anything

The third name is gold! lol thanks dave.

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