I didnt get any kills, though I was trying; of course b pluribus was sitting on the runway "giving up."

Im on top of Duckwing shelling the North base during a FFA.

Should this be bannable? Took ten seconds or more for shells to hit target.

What do you think?

Just noticed it was an FFA. hmmmmm that is a good question. Yes, no, maybe, I'm so confused.

IMHO, not spawn killing.

1. SK'ing is laying in wait. (Oops, I guess you are)
2. SK'ing is waiting for them to spawn and then firing.
3. SK'ing is taking out reds without relying on skill.
4. SK'ing does not give your opponent an opportunity to avoid it. (Oops, here too)

Well, 2 of 4.

I doubt there is any way to accurately time it for the right moment.

Hmm?

I think anyone who catches you doing it should immediately stow all levity and take it upon themselves to fly up there and give you what for!

I volunteer!

What's banned is tank-spawnkilling close by from the airport vicinity (buildings, runway, surrounding areas). This is because it's easy, resulting in repeated kills. Those are the elements: easy and repeated. And unfairly disheartening to others.

Take away the easy part, and you take away the repeated part. Personally, if I saw long range tank bombing in a DF FFA mission, I wouldn't be worried about it, unless (a) the player got repeated kills, which means (b) the setup is too easy (too close). This is why I typically don't ban *noobs* when I see them at an airport trying to camp - it's not easy for them, and they probably won't get repeated kills. But once I see the screen light up with easy kills using a tank at spawnpoint, I warn the player that he/she is taking advantage of others, and that they should stop.

Some day, Zup will find time to do what he had expressed, that is, code in something to stop advantaged tank spawnkilling. Hopefully for us, that would occur without taking away the good stuff (fun stuff like what you describe, or shooting a plane out of the air with a tank shell). We shouldn't want Zup to add new game restrictions so that exploration and goofing around isn't even fun anymore. But tank-spawnkillers (the ones that camp close by and go blam blam blam) are ruining games and making new people less interested in playing -- and they are putting the game at risk of being less fun for everyone.

Manfred

Trying to hit pluribus while he or she is just sitting there? Hmmmm.

I just read more carefully. Trying to lob a shell to hit pluribus when he is sitting there. Was that him conversing in all caps?
Manfred

I am not against "long" range plane killing with a tank.....As a matter of fact, I will congratulate you if you kill me with a tank from a distant location......

Manfred wrote: I just read more carefully. Trying to lob a shell to hit pluribus when he is sitting there. Was that him conversing in all caps?
Manfred

No, some others were having beef elsewhere in the map. Plur was in one of his non flying modes. I hit very close to him several times, he would hit brakes til a shell exploded then creep forward a bit.

This went on for about five minutes and I got a few laughs and flybys. Plur flew up for some circus and landed on the summit and I tried to give him a show by taking the big leap off the south face. (He missed it, my bad timing.)

I had been at 14 kills for a long time. I autodestroyed and finished it before Doggs could catch up

I say no because there's enough time between shells to take off safely

Manfred wrote: What's banned is tank-spawnkilling close by from the airport vicinity (buildings, runway, surrounding areas). This is because it's easy, resulting in repeated kills. Those are the elements: easy and repeated. And unfairly disheartening to others.

Take away the easy part, and you take away the repeated part. Personally, if I saw long range tank bombing in a DF FFA mission, I wouldn't be worried about it, unless (a) the player got repeated kills, which means (b) the setup is too easy (too close). This is why I typically don't ban *noobs* when I see them at an airport trying to camp - it's not easy for them, and they probably won't get repeated kills. But once I see the screen light up with easy kills using a tank at spawnpoint, I warn the player that he/she is taking advantage of others, and that they should stop.

Some day, Zup will find time to do what he had expressed, that is, code in something to stop advantaged tank spawnkilling. Hopefully for us, that would occur without taking away the good stuff (fun stuff like what you describe, or shooting a plane out of the air with a tank shell). We shouldn't want Zup to add new game restrictions so that exploration and goofing around isn't even fun anymore. But tank-spawnkillers (the ones that camp close by and go blam blam blam) are ruining games and making new people less interested in playing -- and they are putting the game at risk of being less fun for everyone.

Manfred

I agree, I don't do much tanking at all, however I have done enough to say lobbin in a shell from mid range or farther isn't going to have near the same effect as some jerk sitting on the runway with a cannon bore down on the spawn site. Can't say that I would do it, to slow of action is why.

Whosethisguy wrote:

Manfred wrote: I just read more carefully. Trying to lob a shell to hit pluribus when he is sitting there. Was that him conversing in all caps?
Manfred

No, some others were having beef elsewhere in the map. Plur was in one of his non flying modes. I hit very close to him several times, he would hit brakes til a shell exploded then creep forward a bit.

This went on for about five minutes and I got a few laughs and flybys. Plur flew up for some circus and landed on the summit and I tried to give him a show by taking the big leap off the south face. (He missed it, my bad timing.)

I had been at 14 kills for a long time. I autodestroyed and finished it before Doggs could catch up

Oh yeah that was the game with me Jackson and of course pluribus. Who started the game with "well this ones over" six games in a row he said that and just parks his plane. He makes me lol all the time anyhow no. I don't think its spawnkilling from that vantage point. When we were all fighting over the airport you,missed me a couple of times bi inches.

Well it's only spawn killing with tank when it's someone other than pluribus that's getting killed.

I may try it for kicks....I would like to get better at the tank....

General jackson wrote: I may try it for kicks....I would like to get better at the tank....

Why General Jackson, I do declare I think you blow up in a tank just fine....

What....plur justs stayes on the ground and does nothing but say game over ...not plur lol. Tank battles in df mission should be conducted in the middle of the map...se y'all there

Do pluribus usually complain?

Here he is complaining that the game is over
Because it is not "winnable" lol exucuses

He is always like that. He flies 5% and parks and complaims the other 95%. I dont care much for him. If he cant win either do it anyway to help the team or just quit.

So many views on whats spawning, congratz my brother plurbi, for being able to use a tank from a distance and home in on shots without anyone taking you out.

Spawning: No

Spawning : many views, but in my book, enemy plane hoovering over enemy base not allowing take off (spawning)
Tank spawning- enemy tank sitting on enemy runway not allowing take off (spawning).
In game Dogfight, should you tank up and make it to a runway- again many views- but its really a free for all here. If i shot you out of a plane in the game Dogfight! Then you chute- i should finish my kill, or atleast prevent you from carrying on in a tank for the kill rate to reach 15.

Then i don't get why he even plays lol. If your just gonna complain then quit so someone who can win can take your place. Lol some people......

He used to really annoy the ever livin crap out of me. I won't play on the same team as him but I love to see him red. Wish I had got a screen shot of him upside down at my airport in the last game i was in with him. I shot him down right before he droped a bomb and he just stayed there the rest of the game. He's just one of the characters of the game. Now I think its funny. I told him thanks for the help and he left. I did appreciate it. I shouldn't have said any thing. He would have kept the red team down a player for the rest of the game. he had his own dedicated thread a while back.

What's the link to his thread? Lol i want to see this

There is some on the name and shame thread and some on one about a new banable offense you decide or something like that. Just search his name you will find it.

Ok lol he is online right now.... He's on to us

He knows his reputation.

Im sorry if this turned into a plur discussion. Like Max ive learned to love his quirky style AS LONG AS I HAVE ROOM TO TAKE OFF! Lol seriously, I enjoy a 7 vs 1 because THATS a target rich environment.

4 vs. 3 aint so bad, and thanks Plur for all the recon data from the crash site

(Btw, Plur can whoop you, if you wake the sleeping giant.)

Pluribus is a good egg and a friend.......I do enjoy him in a game.

Whosethisguy wrote: Im sorry if this turned into a plur discussion. Like Max ive learned to love his quirky style AS LONG AS I HAVE ROOM TO TAKE OFF! Lol seriously, I enjoy a 7 vs 1 because THATS a target rich environment.

4 vs. 3 aint so bad, and thanks Plur for all the recon data from the crash site

(Btw, Plur can whoop you, if you wake the sleeping giant.)

Your absolutely right plur is a ace when he wants to, I've seen it many times

Manfred wrote: I just read more carefully. Trying to lob a shell to hit pluribus when he is sitting there. Was that him conversing in all caps?
Manfred

No, I never write in ALL CAPS, nor do I use phrases like that pilot (whoever he was) did.

It was actually a pretty funny scenario. A shell went off in back of me when I spawned, so I taxied up the runway a bit to see who was out there, and there was Whosethisguy in a tank on top of Duckwing lobbing shells in on the airfield. Another went off where I'd been, so I taxied forward a bit, and then another came in and hit the last spot I'd been. I think WTG missed me four times. I flew up to hang out with him -- Duckwing is my favorite place to hang with comrades -- but he did a flying nose dive down the mountain and took 2 minutes to hit bottom. Gotta say, his sense of humor is even more twisted than my own.

General jackson wrote: I am not against "long" range plane killing with a tank.....As a matter of fact, I will congratulate you if you kill me with a tank from a distant location......

Ditto. In retrospect, I should have let him hit me. Would have made his day.

Utah70 wrote: I agree, I don't do much tanking at all, however I have done enough to say lobbin in a shell from mid range or farther isn't going to have near the same effect as some jerk sitting on the runway with a cannon bore down on the spawn site. Can't say that I would do it, to slow of action is why.

I'm glad Zup fixed the issue a while back where a tank could sit right in front of spawning planes and blast them when they couldn't even move. Someone was doing that to my whole team in a CTC game -- he must have had over 50 kills doing that -- and I have to admit I got pretty enraged. IMHO, spawnkilling from a tank is the worst...there's simply no excuse for it. But what WTG was doing doesn't really count as that; I've often wondered whether a tank could hit the airfield from Duckwing.