Mystery is a neighbor.

I live in Newport, Rhode Island, USA.
Quaint, historical, enchanting.

[This is the entire History Channel release. Check local listing for time near you. Saves the downloading.]

i watched that once t was cool. i saw the one bout copper mining in michigan and the mayas. its cool that people from crete came to my state to mine copper

Hamers, Creteans never came within 3999 miles of the Americas and certainly not to mine copper ore that was abundant just a few tens of miles from their shores and various trading bases dotted all around the Mediterranean. Please don't be misled by these pie in the sky program's check the known historical and archaeological facts. They may not be as sensational or exciting, but they are the facts of history. I trained as an Archaeologist, with particular interest in the prehistorical periods, I've also studied Geology quite a bit.

The guy did all sorts of reserch. A rock was even found that had creten writing on it

The guy who does this series is pretty smart. Fun and funny at dinner, too. It's always a big deal when someone comes to investigate the tower.
Every couple of years it's someone new. All sorts of cool technology.
Personally, don't know. No one does. It's neat to watch the sun hit the key stones, though.

I love a good mystery.

Hamers wrote: The guy did all sorts of reserch. A rock was even found that had creten writing on it

Crete was inhabited by Ancient Greek speakers, their ships never ventured farther than the Mediterranean . They saw the height of their power in the very late Bronze Age . The eruption of Santorini and the ensuing tsunami wiped out their culture, giving rise most likely to the myth of Atlantis. The ships of the time were costal water vessels and the while they could navigate by sun and stars, that would only give them approximate latitude, they could not determine longitude, so by necessity they sailed primarily with land in sight. The Med was fairly well mapped and well known to ancient seafarers, so making a direct route across, ie north to south was possible, because they knew at some point they would have landfall and then could determine exactly where they were. Without the ability to determine longitude sailing from the Med across the Atlantic would have been a hit and miss affair, with a very big miss. The other point to bear in mind is that the ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Phoenicians had mapped the world as they knew it and the Americas don't show up anywhere, the African coast shows up, because they were able to sail around it, always keeping land in sight.
Rocks with incised markings (petroglyphs) are hard to put an age to, it can be done with some certainty depending on the mineralology of the rock and so far all these rocks found in the North Americas have proven to have been incised no earlier than the 18th to 19th century. There are of course Native American petroglyphs and these have been dated on occasion to show considerable age, but they are few and far between. To date there is no archaeological evidence of any sort to show that ancient Greeks, Egyptians or Romans ever reached the Americas, there is even scant evidence that the Norsemen made it to the mainland of Canada and whatever way you look at it visits by these people would leave evidence of some sort.

If America wants ancient history then she should look to her own indigenous people's, not invent unsubstantiated histories of visits by people's of the old world, had the time and effort been taken to study the Native Americans before their culture was wiped out by the relentless push of the so called civilised white man, we would have a much clearer understanding of the Paleolithic and Neolithic cultures of Europe, because that essentially was the cultural level of the Natives at the time.

Flyingmuck wrote:

Hamers wrote: The guy did all sorts of reserch. A rock was even found that had creten writing on it

Crete was inhabited by Ancient Greek speakers, their ships never ventured farther than the Mediterranean . They saw the height of their power in the very late Bronze Age . The eruption of Santorini and the ensuing tsunami wiped out their culture, giving rise most likely to the myth of Atlantis. The ships of the time were coastal water vessels and the while they could navigate by sun and stars, that would only give them approximate latitude, they could not determine longitude, so by necessity they sailed primarily with land in sight. The Med was fairly well mapped and well known to ancient seafarers, so making a direct route across, ie north to south was possible, because they knew at some point they would have landfall and then could determine exactly where they were. Without the ability to determine longitude sailing from the Med across the Atlantic would have been a hit and miss affair, with a very big miss. The other point to bear in mind is that the ancient Greeks, Egyptians and Phoenicians had mapped the world as they knew it and the Americas don't show up anywhere, the African coast shows up, because they were able to sail around it, always keeping land in sight.
Rocks with incised markings (petroglyphs) are hard to put an age to, it can be done with some certainty depending on the mineralology of the rock and so far all these rocks found in the North Americas have proven to have been incised no earlier than the 18th to 19th century. There are of course Native American petroglyphs and these have been dated on occasion to show considerable age, but they are few and far between. To date there is no archaeological evidence of any sort to show that ancient Greeks, Egyptians or Romans ever reached the Americas, there is even scant evidence that the Norsemen made it to the mainland of Canada and whatever way you look at it visits by these people would leave evidence of some sort.

If America wants ancient history then she should look to her own indigenous people's, not invent unsubstantiated histories of visits by people's of the old world, had the time and effort been taken to study the Native Americans before their culture was wiped out by the relentless push of the so called civilised white man, we would have a much clearer understanding of the Paleolithic and Neolithic cultures of Europe, because that essentially was the cultural level of the Natives at the time.

Sorry seems to have double posted

Ok have you seen the episode?? NO so you can't talk. They had sea going ships and they needed copper.

Hamers I've seen a lot of this stuff and I can talk by virtue of my education and knowledge of the subject, and not just from books or sensation television. Get yourself to the library and read some real history.

I do so stop. This guy tells real stuff. Ok so shush it

Now that my friend is the response of someone who no longer has a case to argue, or the facts or criteria to argue the case

That was cool.
Thanks Paul Mantz Jr
History will always have mystries just like the Earth, the Universe.
I live and eventualy I will die it's always facinating how life is don't u think???