Let me begin by saying that I am posting as a game player, not a moderator. I hope that is possible.

A bunch of us were in a Dogfight FFA game. Someone texts, "Laffey is tank spawnkilling." I fly to the south airport, and there's this guy Laffey lining up his tank to the runway. No one else is around so I made a couple passes. Laffey says, "It isn't against the rules." I reply, "I know. It's just obnoxious." This is all fine, no vulgarity, just me hovering around, Laffey readying for some action. Here's a photo pass...


Then someone spawns, and Laffey takes his shot...


After some hide and seek around the buildings, I finally kill Laffey. He respawns at the same airport right in front of me, so I throttle back and turn a slow 360. When I'm back in line, he is ahead and turning slowly. I follow him until he flies back across the runway, and shoot him down.

This is all good. Two pilots, disagreeing about tank spawnkilling, but taking it out in the air and on the ground. No flaming, no cursing, from either of us.

Then Laffey texts something like, "Talk about spawnkilling. You shot me down as I was taking off."

Huh? I started a response, but the game quit on me. That's an awfully long way to fly to think one is still spawning Or perhaps he got nailed somewhere else and said that to another player? Either way, it's a little whiny to complain about something that he just tried to do.

Anyway, Brig Gen II -=LAFFEY=-, I'd sure like to hear your version of this game!

Manfred

As would I.

And a response from his squad?

He is not a black eagle. Do what u must manfred.

Nothing to do here. Just interested in his perspective.
Manfred

I have a question for everyone, and this is a real question. Ok so when i get shot down in a dogfight or ctc near the enemy base, i like to go around buildings hiding and just playing hide and seek with the enemy plane. And the guy tring to kill me crashes and dies, and then respawn and i shoot him with the tank, just once, not continuously, just once. Is that wrong? My opinion, its fair because that person was trying to kill me.

Manfred you are reading my mind...just three days early. I have noticed an increase in spawn killing crying of late.

Case in point...I come into the middle of a BtB game. Carry my bomb to the airport (Dr Dave would be proud) but have to drop due to engaging a very good friendly top level pilot just before getting there. Dispatch said pilot and carry on to airport. I notice said pilot taking off with two others. Teammate on a bombing run so a spray the planes from distance. Take one down as teammate attempts his run. Top pilot immediately calls me on spawn killing. I am so disgusted. Continue to engage after allowing planes to get airborne.

Another game today...BtC game where I'm circling the area waiting for planes to take off before engaging. Splash another good pilot a few times because he's concerned about flying to the other carrier instead of me. Again get called out for spawn killing. At the time he is in a chute well away from the carrier.

One problem is the lack of a definition. I don't want to hijack the thread but these two examples plus your example don't come close to qualifying. I also think it's silly when a pilot complains after trying to shoot me as he takes off (head to head). It's to the point where some pilots are trying to gain an edge by crying (IMO).

Boomer, I wouldn't do it but the game allows it so who am I to question? I actually don't have an issue with the tank in a BtC game since it's team based, but since most don't agree I refrain.

With regards to laffey, good pilot...never seen this from him. Kind of goes to my point that this kind of crying is becoming more common.

Listen up guys, I think everybody will agree spawn killing is when you hover over a base or carrier will the sol intent of killing before they get in to the air, I've shot them up myself on bomb runs and from distance, that I'm kinda good at. toot toot. But anyway I don't think it's spawn killing enless that's your only goal over and over and if you have bombers coming in bound, hey they have guns, so there's really no need for you to cover. but I do understand a lot of people's view on that as well. I've been fairly vocal about my feelings on it, BUT! their MY feelings and I understand and respect others feel differently, that's life and the game... But if I'm to respect their right to spawn kill they need to respect My right to Bitch about it. fair is fair....

Dr Dave wrote: Listen up guys, I think everybody will agree spawn killing is when you hover over a base or carrier will the sol intent of killing before they get in to the air, I've shot them up myself on bomb runs and from distance, that I'm kinda good at. toot toot. But anyway I don't think it's spawn killing enless that's your only goal over and over and if you have bombers coming in bound, hey they have guns, but I do understand a lot of people's view on that as well. I've been fairly vocal about my feelings on it, BUT! their MY feelings and I understand and respect others feel differently, that's life and the game... But if I'm to respect their right to spawn kill they need to respect My right to Bitch about it. fair is fair....

I don't argue with your definition although I will say if squad wars ever happens and you have a chance to spawn kill (per your definition) as one of you squad mates comes in for a bombing run, you will do it. But, since squad wars will never happen I'm not sure the point of that last sentence.

My issue are the in-game invalid complaints that to me are only being done to gain an advantage. They are basically saying, "I'm not good enough to shake you so let me cry and hope you back off." Complaints in the forum are fine...don't affect the game play.

Dr Dave wrote: Listen up guys, I think everybody will agree spawn killing is when you hover over a base or carrier will the sol intent of killing before they get in to the air, I've shot them up myself on bomb runs and from distance, that I'm kinda good at. toot toot. But anyway I don't think it's spawn killing enless that's your only goal over and over and if you have bombers coming in bound, hey they have guns, but I do understand a lot of people's view on that as well. I've been fairly vocal about my feelings on it, BUT! their MY feelings and I understand and respect others feel differently, that's life and the game... But if I'm to respect their right to spawn kill they need to respect My right to Bitch about it. fair is fair....

I would call that camping.

I've been shot down many time's after bombing and trying to leave.... The camping issue is a thin line... I've tried leaving many time's after dropping my bomb. I end up being shot at from behind sometime's the whole length of the map, trying to get back and land to reload....

Your right! After pinning down 3 or 4 planes your chances of getting away are slim. Under normal conditions try peeling away to the sides. The pilots intent on shooting you is making the error of not protecting their base from incoming bombs. Get them far enough from base that your team mate has an easier run then turn and shoot enemy. By the time they respawn you can't be caught. If you just come in and bomb and leave there are only a few at their base which makes escape easier. Anyway you look at it escape is risky but doesn't justify staying there.

LOL Kevy..... I do that...it work's sometime's.... I try lot's of different thing's....having them chase me half way then turn around for a head on...If I get them I can make it back to base..If they get me....I get sent to base before they get there....I get a second chance at them....lol
Thank's for your post Kevy.....

What if planes respawned from base in protect the carrier and from carrier in protect the base? Games would be shorter and instead of the two and three times you shoot the same planes coming in you have to worry about enemy attacks from the sides making a high maneuver bomb run more strategic and escape easier?

I like that....But a 50/50 respawn chance at base or on ship.... That would make camping and spawnkilling tougher also.... Still possible but tougher...

Well Kevy if you notice when I bomb I try to leave for another bomb myself. I don't camp, I don't hang around, But I will turn and fight when fired on from behind. But my goal is to go back and get a bomb or a tank somebody passes by without killing it.