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DROPPERS¡¡¡¡¡ 10 years 4 days ago #170517

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Ok heres something to think about. Instead of dropping your bombs and saying your a good pilot for doing it. Why don't you try and develop your skills.as.a.bomber instead of taking the easy way. The guys that have been flying a long time did this I did it in open servers against all the big guns I did fine learning as an.aspirant in the lowest plane you could get it was learn to fight or die. If you don't want to fly with a bomb go fly in dog fight or a ctc mission. Period. Or like I said develop your skills as a bomber its a game you die you start over its that simple

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darraxx wrote: Ok heres something to think about. Instead of dropping your bombs and saying your a good pilot for doing it. Why don't you try and develop your skills.as.a.bomber instead of taking the easy way. The guys that have been flying a long time did this I did it in open servers against all the big guns I did fine learning as an.aspirant in the lowest plane you could get it was learn to fight or die. If you don't want to fly with a bomb go fly in dog fight or a ctc mission. Period. Or like I said develop your skills as a bomber its a game you die you start over its that simple


That suggests to me that you have not seen me fight with a mission to bomb hangars, of course I struggle with the bomb.

And another thing, if you read the post again, you'll see that my argument is that the game has lots of capacity to simply reduce it to a simple and easily way.

I'm not trying to make another type of mission, I'm trying to imply that if someone wants only fly in the same way without tactics, do not panic when someone uses tactics. and again, a tactic is to win, not to have any concideracion for the enemy,and if there are only two in at the time, we know that the server can enter more players very quickly

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Well no I've never seen you in a bombing mission you show up you leave. The only games I've ever seen you in are df or ctc. Now I'm not saying there aren't time when you need to drop like when you have a camper on your base. You get rid of him and get a bomb and play on. Sneaking only if teams are even never on an outnumbered team. Its the people that drop and go tearing up the field so they can claim that they are escorting bombers is BS because I've never seen any dropper actually escort anyone all hey do is go and get tangled up with other pilots that either drop.or have to drop.to contend with them. The best games I've have been in were slug feasts between all ranks hell I get shot by wing comms all the time they have a bomb and are trying to develop their skills to become the best pilot they can and to say don't have any consideration for the enemy well don't forget they are players yes the object is to win but its a God damn game the real object is to have fun if you don't get that then you never will
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darraxx wrote: Well no I've never seen you in a bombing mission you show up you leave. The only games I've ever seen you in are df or ctc. Now I'm not saying there aren't time when you need to drop like when you have a camper on your base. You get rid of him and get a bomb and play on. Sneaking only if teams are even never on an outnumbered team. Its the people that drop and go tearing up the field so they can claim that they are escorting bombers is BS because I've never seen any dropper actually escort anyone all hey do is go and get tangled up with other pilots that either drop.or have to drop.to contend with them. The best games I've have been in were slug feasts between all ranks hell I get shot by wing comms all the time they have a bomb and are trying to develop their skills to become the best pilot they can


See? " trying to develop their skills to become the best pilot" thats what i say about no playing for the team. and if I go in and out of the game is because I want to avoid problems. but when I see some friends, I stay.

and I again ask you to read the post, because there specified that both sides must have an escort, because if not both, OBVIOUSLY going to be a masacre

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And that what droppers do they come in and massacre every pilot with a bomb that is playing for themselves

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I only drop if I'm gonna be facing 3-4 enemies at close proximity and there's little chance for surviving the run. If there is a camper, that is what i do. If there is a sneaker, i drop to gain altitude. But if it's an even match, i see no need to drop early.
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darraxx wrote: . Sneaking only if teams are even never on an outnumbered team.


Well, Well, stop and consider this, if reds are less, they drop their bombs to defend themselves, its more logical then you get to fight someone with no bomb? not confuse courage with doing an act without intelligence

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Mac McMuffin wrote: I only drop if I'm gonna be facing 3-4 enemies at close proximity and there's little chance for surviving the run. If there is a camper, that is what i do. If there is a sneaker, i drop to gain altitude. But if it's an even match, i see no need to drop early.


Not even if the enemy has a couple tanks just over your hill? That's one reason to drop early. I personally would prefer to reach them sooner than later!

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Ok so
the enemy is out numbered and they drop so you being on the side that has more players will drop so you can fight them. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And cricket your a good friend but if their just over the hill you don't have far to go and you can take one out with a bomb and shoot the rest. Well that's what I do anyways

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darraxx wrote: And that what droppers do they come in and massacre every pilot with a bomb that is playing for themselves


Well, like a say, two teams need san scort, and like Mac say, he made a decision, and its decision is flexible, that's what I mean, if someone does something different no demonize that. The team with the communication members, will win

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darraxx wrote: Ok so
the enemy is out numbered and they drop so you being on the side that has more players will drop so you can fight them. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


Lol, ...again...... If the enemy its only two, and you 5 ( an example ) they gonna drop. Then, of all your team have bomb, obviously gonna be a massacre. Then you need be a dumb for fly directly the bullets reds. Sneaking or drop the bomb for shot them down. And what's your point? An equal game? Sorry, search another game, because many times in a ctc, fre for all, or wherever game, this game it's not an equal game, if you gonna losse, you gonna losse

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Well who the hell.carries a bomb in a ctc mission anyways. And as for two guys dropong so they can defend their base against five guys that's cool think.abuot it they are already outnumbered so your going to drop your bomb so you can fight them so Wagtail your saying is you can't carry your bomb and shoot someone down. And as for a pilot trying to get better at carrying is not for themselves it proves that they are trying to get better so they can actually support their team in the future. Get it

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darraxx wrote: Ok so
the enemy is out numbered and they drop so you being on the side that has more players will drop so you can fight them. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And cricket your a good friend but if their just over the hill you don't have far to go and you can take one out with a bomb and shoot the rest. Well that's what I do anyways


You'd be dumping your bomb anyway then. My preferred method in that situation would be to dump immediately, thus giving the tanks less time to get lined up and get their shots off. Protection of your hangars is key! How many times have you been destroyed in a tank just before you were about to fire off that round? Sometimes a second is all it takes.

darraxx wrote: I've never seen any dropper actually escort anyone all hey do is go and get tangled up with other pilots that either drop.


After doing the above, I'd take my bombers as far as I could. Not to massacre bombers that are playing for themselves, as you put it, but to help contribute to my team. I've taken bombers all the way, plenty, and I've seen others do it. Not that inconceivable.
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I think there are 2 basic schools of thought on all this.. same as with other controversial topics here in Dogfight.. I think it's best that we all just agree to disagree.. I personally side with Ziza & Cricket.. but there are different schools of thought on gameplay.

There are players like Hulk that virtually NEVER drops his bomb even if outnumbered 6 vs 1.. and he is so good he usually holds the reds off until some blues spawn in.

Then there are other players who NEVER carry a bomb.. they are in it like darraxx says to merely rack up easy kills to pad their stats.

Then there are players like me & Cricket & Ziza that think using different tactics rather than the basic fly up the middle through the Valley of Death shooting head to head against the reds.. we view that as just plain silly.

So like I said, let us all just agree to disagree and leave it at that okay?
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See bro there are times when dropping is ok. Like the immediate protection of the base. For me that about it. But ziza is saying scoping on an.already out numbers foe because their dropping is taking advantage of an.already disadvantaged enemy. Would you drop if you were on the side with five guys against two. Or would you go with your bomb shoot them down a blow the hangers to hell

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darraxx wrote: Well who the hell.carries a bomb in a ctc mission anyways. And as for two guys dropong so they can defend their base against five guys that's cool think.abuot it they are already outnumbered so your going to drop your bomb so you can fight them so Wagtail your saying is you can't carry your bomb and shoot someone down. And as for a pilot trying to get better at carrying is not for themselves it proves that they are trying to get better so they can actually support their team in the future. Get it


Well, i cant undertand this lol...... But when i say ctc, its for show you that there are also situations of uneven teams. even in capabilities between different aircraft there is tremendous inequality. excuse my lack of English, but I would serve much if you write me in Spanish, when I put this in the translator did not understand anything that was even in Spanish

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I'm.not.saying don't use your head and yes there are always tactics to consider I'm.not saying don't sneak don't drop but there are times to do it and times not to.

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darraxx wrote: See bro there are times when dropping is ok. Like the immediate protection of the base. For me that about it. But ziza is saying scoping on an.already out numbers foe because their dropping is taking advantage of an.already disadvantaged enemy. Would you drop if you were on the side with five guys against two. Or would you go with your bomb shoot them down a blow the hangers to hell


Her we go again, you never can say " they only two reds" the server its always chancing the numbered.

If the both sides have an scort, what's the problem?

If all your team have bomb and the reds are only two whitout bomb, you gonna figth them whit bomb?! So dumis.

Sneaking its a very good tactic if you don't wonna be an scort, the game it's all the map, what's the problem then? The injustice ? O man, like a say, serch another game, this game it's no a equality game.

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darraxx wrote: See bro there are times when dropping is ok. Like the immediate protection of the base. For me that about it. But ziza is saying scoping on an.already out numbers foe because their dropping is taking advantage of an.already disadvantaged enemy. Would you drop if you were on the side with five guys against two. Or would you go with your bomb shoot them down a blow the hangers to hell


I don't normally do that, no, however, there are times when I could and have seen that as an option.

Let's say its me and 5 wing commanders against someone like Gen~Jack and DragonRojo, both bombless and both defensively tough. We may have an advantage with the numbers, but they can negate that with their added speed, maneuverability, and skill. One of us may have to drop our bomb in order to help the others make it through.
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darraxx wrote: See bro there are times when dropping is ok. Like the immediate protection of the base. For me that about it. But ziza is saying scoping on an.already out numbers foe because their dropping is taking advantage of an.already disadvantaged enemy. Would you drop if you were on the side with five guys against two. Or would you go with your bomb shoot them down a blow the hangers to hell


Well like I said before Darraxx, we all should just agree to disagree.. but in response to your question if in a 5 vs 2 bomb the hangars mission if time after time after time the 2 are killing me again and again and again because they're bombless while my side is carrying then yes, after awhile I just get fed up dying because of their speed & handling superiority so I eventually will drop and clear them from the skies so my teams bombers at least have a chance to go for the hangars. (*note: if it's a couple of wing commanders or similar then no.. I won't do this.. however if it's experienced players it's another story)
Do I drop immediately? No.. but after this goes on for awhile then eventually yes I will.. I won't be the zebra that runs into the lions mouth again & again.. that's just plain silly. :P
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darraxx wrote: Ok heres something to think about. Instead of dropping your bombs and saying your a good pilot for doing it. Why don't you try and develop your skills.as.a.bomber instead of taking the easy way. The guys that have been flying a long time did this I did it in open servers against all the big guns I did fine learning as an.aspirant in the lowest plane you could get it was learn to fight or die. If you don't want to fly with a bomb go fly in dog fight or a ctc mission. Period. Or like I said develop your skills as a bomber its a game you die you start over its that simple


I can't seem to understand why players look down on droppers. Many droppers play for the team (atleast I do)...Bombers need fighters/escorts etc.. It doesn't even make sense to me......Fly across the map, meet in the middle, shoot at each other with hopes of not getting shot, and then bomb....yall don't even move to avoid the bullets!! I prefer to be a fighter/chaser....I help the team in my own way, I pre occupy the reds so the blue bombers can bomb...If yall want to think that I do it for kills? Well your wrong...The highest kill score I ever had was 98 kills and 10 deaths....otherwise my normal game kill score is usually 28 kills and 3 -9 deaths. So i certainly don't drop for the points....I said it once and I will say it again, not everyone has to bomb!! Bombers need fighters. If you bombers can't handle a dropper, then drop your bomb and take care of us.. Droppers are not going away anytime soon, no matter how much yall whine!!!









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Ok i would like to rephrase a.statement I have been led in by a non carrying pilot like cricket. But I will say that we were on the out numbers side. So - do see the need to drop in certain situations . But to drop on two still and never will make sense to me. And yes I constantly get stuck with a group of wing comms. Sucks but I still.won't drop I would like to think I am.able to fly and kill with my bomb. And genealogy look at what you just said a98/10 kd you do realize that your shooting down.pilots with bombs. That is just playing for yourself to me
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darraxx wrote: Ok i would like to rephrase a.statement I have been led in by a non carrying pilot like cricket. But I will say that we were on the out numbers side. So - do see the need to drop in certain situations . But to drop on two still and never will make sense to me. And yes I constantly get stuck with a group of wing comms. Sucks but I still.won't drop I would like to think I am.able to fly and kill with my bomb. And genealogy look at what you just said a98/10 kd you do realize that your shooting down.pilots with bombs. That is just playing for yourself to me


I can understand why you think that, but usually when I get scores like that. It's usually because the teams are lopsided. There are more reds then blues (8 reds and 3 blues). So there are more red bombers to shoot..


8 reds & 3 blues?!? And here I always thought that 8 was the maximum total number of red AND blue planes involved in any mission?
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Boy, this is a pointless argument at this point
You're getting predictable, guys. You can do better, right?

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darraxx wrote: Ok i would like to rephrase a.statement I have been led in by a non carrying pilot like cricket. But I will say that we were on the out numbers side. So - do see the need to drop in certain situations . But to drop on two still and never will make sense to me. And yes I constantly get stuck with a group of wing comms. Sucks but I still.won't drop I would like to think I am.able to fly and kill with my bomb. And genealogy look at what you just said a98/10 kd you do realize that your shooting down.pilots with bombs. That is just playing for yourself to me


I can understand why you think that, but usually when I get scores like that. It's usually because the teams are lopsided. There are more reds then blues (8 reds and 3 blues). So there are more red bombers to shoot..


8 reds & 3 blues?!? And here I always thought that 8 was the maximum total number of red AND blue planes involved in any mission?
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darraxx wrote: Ok i would like to rephrase a.statement I have been led in by a non carrying pilot like cricket. But I will say that we were on the out numbers side. So - do see the need to drop in certain situations . But to drop on two still and never will make sense to me. And yes I constantly get stuck with a group of wing comms. Sucks but I still.won't drop I would like to think I am.able to fly and kill with my bomb. And genealogy look at what you just said a98/10 kd you do realize that your shooting down.pilots with bombs. That is just playing for yourself to me


I can understand why you think that, but usually when I get scores like that. It's usually because the teams are lopsided. There are more reds then blues (8 reds and 3 blues). So there are more red bombers to shoot..


8 reds & 3 blues?!? And here I always thought that 8 was the maximum total number of red AND blue planes involved in any mission?
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It was just an example..I honestly don't know how many are allowed in each game but I do know there were alot more reds then blue.....









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Ziza wrote: READ AGAIN WHIP, and there is nothing more cowardly than to accuse someone of cowardice whit simple and fragile arguments

from teh last post


"PD: If for some reason the difference in numbers between the two teams is very large, uses INTELLIGENCE, DROOP YOUR BOMB AND DEFENDING YOUR BASE, THAT EASY. ALSO IMPORTANT IS CLEAR THAT THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS IS NOT SOMETHING STATIC OF ,A TIME TO ANOTHER DOUBLES THE AMOUNT OF ENEMIES. A TACTICAL IS A TACTIC, NOT A CONSIDERATION TO THE ENEMY. A TACTIC IS TO WIN WITH LOWER AMOUNT OF FALLEN FRIENDS.

And if what you want is that all enemies are visible to you can defend yourself, you are literally asking the opposing team that will not win you "please do not win, I want to see everyone, not hide" "


also you want me to stay still so you can shoot me?


I can't believe you still don't understand my point. I will state it clearly as possible and maybe this might provide some insight but I doubt it.

In even teams do anything you want, drop, sneak, dance, warp, whatever, I only care what players do when teams are uneven. I care about the community and fair play, you care about winning only. When the server has done a poor job with the teams I try and minimize the impact to give a good game for everyone. I swap if on the larger team and if I am on short handed team I expect enemy players to stay in radar range (I think that's 1.5 km so that means 3 km wide, 1.5 km high). I feel that within radar range is enough room to move around but gives the under-filled defending team a chance to defend. Going outside that area is cowardly. It's cowardly because you are purposely going way out of the typical corridor to avoid any detection to avoid any fire fight at all when you have 2 - 6 extra planes. You should be able to fight your way in and bomb your enemies hangars with that kind of space and advantage and if you can't, get better since you don't deserve to win.

I love the "I know you are but what am I!" argument and the rest of what you say has about the same intellectual magnitude. If you haven't noticed we aren't really enemies, we all play this game together and I'd rather lose with friends then win alone.
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