this would almost need a separate thread!!!

today i was out having a lovely game of DF with my cup of tea!

THEN SUDDENLY A PERSON ARIVED OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH


he started to swearer lots of times calling us, well not very nice things put it that way

I have quite a few screen shoots of the foul language

would you like me to post them here?



and his name it "Denard"
also I had a mod on *YRC*

thanks and if I were you he should get the ban for life

anyway at the moment he has a 5 minute ban because he keped shooting our hangers and punched two shots into me

Dark Knight wrote: this would almost need a separate thread!!!

today i was out having a lovely game of DF with my cup of tea!

THEN SUDDENLY A PERSON ARIVED OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH


he started to swearer lots of times calling us, well not very nice things put it that way

I have quite a few screen shoots of the foul language

would you like me to post them here?



and his name it "Denard"
also I had a mod on *YRC*

thanks and if I were you he should get the ban for life

anyway at the moment he has a 5 minute ban because he keped shooting our hangers and punched two shots into me

He's going to have longer than five minutes I promise. He need to come to the forum and apologize first.

Lint Biddiss wrote: Hi manfred and Parrothead,
Firstly, I've been a good loyal team player of dogfight for over a year now and there will be a few players i hope will back me up on that.I apologise for yesterday as I've obviously ruffled some feathers which as led to me being banned. I was having a bit of an off day in all honesty ( relationship split up) however, I shouldn'tr of taking my frustration out on the game and ruined it for others. I sincerely apologise for any upset. I hope you guys will un-ban me and let me back on today ( its a bank holIday here in the uk) so I'm at home wanting to play, what I think, is the best all time game app . I promise to behave ,
Yours Lint

I also received a PM from Lint with a sincere apology. As far as I'm concerned, I'm satisfied that the point has been made and well received. As one of the offended parties and the one that reported him, I would not object if his ban was lifted early. I think the system worked like its supposed to this time.

Thanks,
PH

So is he banned?

If so how long?

zombieklr

I saw someone on my team who was just going around enemy base and killing them when he had no bomb and we were Facing new players. He was told to stop by me and the other team to stop. Is that considered spawn killing? I have pictures too.

Jacob10000 wrote: zombieklr

This cracks me up every time I see it!

Cricket wrote:

legendofkane wrote: Rarely do i come to the forum now and never post..but reporting khalid cruz..nicked me.on takeoff..usual warning " to the blue shooting me..i will own you..shoot again"..he.said come here..so i owned him four times,in,a row then he left.Device doesnt do pics and all you would have saw was me killing him..in same game 248th cricket shot someone down..in defense or tk i am unsure..was bisy...since i relinquished my powers thanx to zupe..i play old school.

Ain't I a stinker?

"in same game 248th cricket shot someone down..in defense or tk i am unsure."

Then why are you reporting me? Grow a pair.

Awww c'mon Cricket. These mods have to put up with a kinds of crap. It helps to have a history if somebody REALLY is being a stinker (love that term). I've flown a few games with you over the last few days (and enjoyed them) and haven't seen anything but good ole honest to goodness Red killing from you. There you go a positive report. If you were a stinker the previous report would just help make this a better game. Now go find legend of Kane, if you can, and shoot his red behind to show him your a stand up guy.

ParrotHead wrote:

Lint Biddiss wrote: Hi manfred and Parrothead,
Firstly, I've been a good loyal team player of dogfight for over a year now and there will be a few players i hope will back me up on that.I apologise for yesterday as I've obviously ruffled some feathers which as led to me being banned. I was having a bit of an off day in all honesty ( relationship split up) however, I shouldn'tr of taking my frustration out on the game and ruined it for others. I sincerely apologise for any upset. I hope you guys will un-ban me and let me back on today ( its a bank holIday here in the uk) so I'm at home wanting to play, what I think, is the best all time game app . I promise to behave ,
Yours Lint

I also received a PM from Lint with a sincere apology. As far as I'm concerned, I'm satisfied that the point has been made and well received. As one of the offended parties and the one that reported him, I would not object if his ban was lifted early. I think the system worked like its supposed to this time.

Thanks,
PH

Lint is unbanned.
Manfred

legendofkane wrote: Rarely do i come to the forum now and never post..but reporting khalid cruz..nicked me.on takeoff..usual warning " to the blue shooting me..i will own you..shoot again"..he.said come here..so i owned him four times,in,a row then he left.Device doesnt do pics and all you would have saw was me killing him..in same game 248th cricket shot someone down..in defense or tk i am unsure..was bisy...since i relinquished my powers thanx to zupe..i play old school.

khalid cruz banned for 2 days.
Manfred

bellsaj wrote: I don't know, but in my opinion there is a great difference, whether your goal is to take out the hangars, or if you're out to shoot those who respwan.
It may happen that you accidentally hit a respwaning plan when you're aiming for hangars, just like you sometimes accidentally shoots down your teammates.

Try looking at the screen shot.

1, tank sat at the back of the runway.
2, accidentally hit while aiming for a hanger - 3 times in a row ?? Really
3, it stops anyone taking off. If you spawn you get tanked, if you stay dead, your team mates crash or get tanked
4, if it is acceptable, then why the questions throughout this thread about whether the "brake immunity" is working

The fact is it is a game spoiler tactic that gives cheap kills.
If it's allowed, I'll wind my neck in and ramp up my kill count.

BlueDane wrote: Marine9037 tank spawn killing in a BTB game.
Had the brakes on as you can see so that doesn't work !
()
Alextrav also spawn killing but hitting asps on the runway is allowed so i guess he just had enough of me shooting him down.
(Easy meat)
Between the two of them, ruined a good game

For Marine9037, was it repeated? Ask him to stop? Tank spawnkilling is arguably an aiming mistake or even strategic if done once to clear a plane out of the way when targeting a hangar (even that sounds pretty stupid). Anyway, it needs to be repeated, and clearly just to rack up kills or have fun at someone else's expense without advancing the mission.
Manfred

Richyroo wrote: Hello,
Haven't been her in a little while so thought I'd throw you another little £@&?!/3 for you, team killed me twice and put wholes in me a few times in between.
MIXER
()

mixer banned for 2 days.
Manfred

Manfred wrote:

BlueDane wrote: Marine9037 tank spawn killing in a BTB game.
Had the brakes on as you can see so that doesn't work !
()
Alextrav also spawn killing but hitting asps on the runway is allowed so i guess he just had enough of me shooting him down.
(Easy meat)
Between the two of them, ruined a good game

For Marine9037, was it repeated? Ask him to stop? Tank spawnkilling is arguably an aiming mistake or even strategic if done once to clear a plane out of the way when targeting a hangar (even that sounds pretty stupid). Anyway, it needs to be repeated, and clearly just to rack up kills or have fun at someone else's expense without advancing the mission.
Manfred

BlueDane wrote:

bellsaj wrote: I don't know, but in my opinion there is a great difference, whether your goal is to take out the hangars, or if you're out to shoot those who respwan.
It may happen that you accidentally hit a respwaning plan when you're aiming for hangars, just like you sometimes accidentally shoots down your teammates.

Try looking at the screen shot.

1, tank sat at the back of the runway.
2, accidentally hit while aiming for a hanger - 3 times in a row ?? Really
3, it stops anyone taking off. If you spawn you get tanked, if you stay dead, your team mates crash or get tanked
4, if it is acceptable, then why the questions throughout this thread about whether the "brake immunity" is working

The fact is it is a game spoiler tactic that gives cheap kills.
If it's allowed, I'll wind my neck in and ramp up my kill count.

Nevermind, I see now!
Marine9037 banned for 2 days.
Manfred

Dixieconfederate wrote: I saw someone on my team who was just going around enemy base and killing them when he had no bomb and we were Facing new players. He was told to stop by me and the other team to stop. Is that considered spawn killing? I have pictures too.

That's getting pretty extreme to call that spawn killing. I'm pretty sure that's the game. Tie up the red team at their base so your other blue guys have time to come over. As far as killing new guys, I'll pick the harder one usually, but I got shot as a new guy... That's how I learned. If no one else is around, I'll gladly introduce myself to an aspirant. Sometimes I shoot em so much that they level up, thereby becoming slightly less new. It's a service really... They can pay me later.

Bomber01

Zecke banned until Thursday for TSK. Hit me twice as soon as I entered the game. I must say that I am very disappointed that I had to ban a fellow Black Eagle, you should know better Zecke.

I was in a game today and cm13579 was on my team it was bomb airport shot me from behind and gave warning.
As i was killing red's he got shot down got in tank drove back to our base and destroys all hangars but one then leaves the game. He needs some time off have pics.

Hi all,

just for the case that Stuart aka Wumper is coming to this blacklist thread list crying for that i was spawnkilling a few minutes ago.

I was neither cycling over enemy base nore firing at starting planes. But im not looking beside if an teammember tries to bomb the hangars. Stuart was on red side and after two shot downs from me he complained that i was spawnkilling.

I was not doing this .. Whitemann from the falcons is a witness.


Stuart play fair and dont accuse pilots which you can't shot down after 2 tries.

Allan

So you call me a liar? Your description of the scene is absolutely wrong. You were not able to shot me down so you now try to kick me out of game by "crying that i'm a spawnkiller". Stuart this is absolutely unfair and not part of a game any more.


Your bad luck is that almost all moderators (especially Manfred, Kevy, Reid, Wigbomb, and perhaps General jackson and jacob1000) know me and know my style to fly. They know that i'm not spawnkilling. Stuart you are angry because you were not able to shot me down so now you try to kick me out by calling me a spawnkiller and a liar. Suart you are much better than that. Please stop crying and prove it. That is all i want to say in this case. And in case you have forgotten: Whitemann from the FALCONS is a witness that i did no spawnkill.


Allan

I like both the above mentioned guys but I will say that I can't believe Allan would do this, me and MrsLouRoo get really apologetic PM's every time he shoots us and that's with us on opposite teams.

Anyway, another mid rank Ranker being naughty in a dogfight....

Charly1307

They both have make good points but you can't shoot a plane anymore setting on runway... I've tried, had one parked in game today (bobby9) I'm not reporting him just using his stupidity to prove my point.

As we have reported previously in our squad is prohibited SK with a tank .
For this reason Mr. zecke is directly driven from our squad . Zecke from today is not an eagle .
Thx Jacoob and sorry alls.

I can not believe what they say about you allan , you have my support my friend and you're a great player .
You a persona100 % respectful of other pilots.. Allan I recommend not giving importance to the words `` your `` lying accuser . A hug friend

Stuart wrote: That is absolutely untrue.

I have never been played red. You were as I described circled to Manfred, circling and shooting down players. You shot me down three times, once while sitting on runway, and twice a I flew away,which is fine.

You shot down several players taking off before me.

It was a bombing mission, so why were you not flying back to your base, and rearming to bomb again.

You admitted you were spawning. And when I threated to report you, you said " You didn't care what I did.
Go ahead. You didn't care.

I don't know you, but I have been playing a long time than and I know noone will every excuse me of spawning. The players know me and and know I am a very respectful and professional player.

You are now immune on the runway. Aka, spawning ain't much of a problem now. Learn to take off better... Stop crying about it when someone is just better than you.

MODS. FEEL FREE TO DELETE THIS!, but I had to say it.

Lets save the blacklist for those who deserve it. It is not a place to cry your eyes out every time you get whipped.

Be a man, man!

(Btw. I'm not a professional. I do this strictly for fun)

In Stuart's defense, please note that he was replying to Allan's preemptive post. He did not come on the black list complaining.

Allan, I know you're style of play and would never call anything I've seen you do spawnkilling. I wasn't there and don't know the whole story, but you have my respect and support.

I do not know the whole story , but I see Allan entered here to clarify what is a false accusation of SK . Then I read that call him a liar , so if it is a strong and ugly accusation for a person . you think?
  Kev I read your private message , repeat Allan is one of the best drivers in the game and above all respectful.

I agree Enzo. The whole thing is some sort of misunderstanding as Stuart also is a very upstanding pilot. If the two of them could hash it out without the peanut gallery getting involved we might have a dogfight epiphany here. Because every ones reality is slightly different because of lag a lot of so called spawn kills can be explained.

Jacklpe wrote:

Stuart wrote: That is absolutely untrue.

I have never been played red. You were as I described circled to Manfred, circling and shooting down players. You shot me down three times, once while sitting on runway, and twice a I flew away,which is fine.

You shot down several players taking off before me.

It was a bombing mission, so why were you not flying back to your base, and rearming to bomb again.

You admitted you were spawning. And when I threated to report you, you said " You didn't care what I did.
Go ahead. You didn't care.

I don't know you, but I have been playing a long time than and I know noone will every excuse me of spawning. The players know me and and know I am a very respectful and professional player.

You are now immune on the runway. Aka, spawning ain't much of a problem now. Learn to take off better... Stop crying about it when someone is just better than you.

MODS. FEEL FREE TO DELETE THIS!, but I had to say it.

Lets save the blacklist for those who deserve it. It is not a place to cry your eyes out every time you get whipped.

Be a man, man!

(Btw. I'm not a professional. I do this strictly for fun)

I may have quoted Stuart, but my statement applies to all. Sickos, filthy mouths, and the like dont need to be on here. All of this other crap... Get over it. It's hard to take this thread seriously when all it is is a gripe forum where perfectly intelligent individuals start crying teacher teacher, he cheated! Who cares? It's a game. Can we devote our time to the REAL game spoilers, and not to the petty "he didnt fly back home" nonsense. I fly to win!!! Kill me if you can!!! But, I like the fact that this game is safe for kids also. That's what I believe that we should all focus on.

Ah, a classic "he-said he-said" dispute. Especially in an area as gray as spawnkilling from a plane, there is no winner to be had here. Only two people know the truth (and perhaps a third if he was watching really closely); the rest of us are clueless to THAT game despite who we think we support; and the two people involved LIKELY have differing memories on what exactly happened.

That last part is true. Really. Like I always tell my kids, we are each the WORST observer of ourselves. Now place ourselves in a game with limited senses and vision, and there's a lot more room for self-observation error.

This is why we ask for screenshots of everything possible. But in a spawnkilling situation, even screenshots have trouble capturing the whole story.

Moving on.

I'm not 100% certain that everyone has brakes-immunity, and I don't know if the immunity if created from the victim's or the killer's software release, or a combination. All I know is that there are enough reports of the function working properly, that I think it is available to everyone if you have any of the recent releases.

If you don't have one of the first three starter planes, having brakes on and full throttle for a few seconds will set you up for a catapult launch. Standing on the brakes and looking around will allow you to time your brake release. This has been talked about extensively in threads. If your game has this immunity, and you have a decent ranked plane, you can get up to maneuvering speed just seconds after takeoff. At that point, if you get killed anyway, then it's just a mismatch of skills, not a spawnkilling unfairness.

Where spawnkilling IS unfair, is when picking on a noob who doesn't know this stuff, or who has a slower plane that doesn't jump off the line in a pre-revved takeoff. For them, getting to maneuvering speed takes more time, many seconds instead a few seconds. I think most savvy flyers are aware of who is who in a game, having checked the player board. So a savvy player who is shooting at noobs ON THE RUNWAY is being a jerk. A savvy player who is shooting at an experienced pilot on the runway is looking for an easy kill, but won't get it if the pilot has a good plane and some knowledge. If he gets that easy kill, it's good manners to then back off a bit and let the pilot fly more the next time. But that's just my view of manners.

So there's no resolution here. Shake hands, learn some skills if there's something to be learned, learn some manners if there's something to be learned, and move on.

What does seem silly are the Upstanding Citizen reports. Come on, we're talking about Allan and Stuart here; I couldn't pick two pilots who are more upstanding than these two. Do we think that if we vote enough times that one will win? I'm sure they each appreciate the support, but really the only relevant input would be from someone who SAW what happened. The rest of us only wind up contributing to the political wind and popularity contest, which this should not be.

Manfred