Sad there is not way same pilot can go 2 and 10 in brit palne and switch sides to german and go 20 and 2 everytime everytime everytime

[M]LtDan nhouse wrote: Sad there is not way same pilot can go 2 and 10 in brit palne and switch sides to german and go 20 and 2 everytime everytime everytime

There is a substantial advantage between the German and allied. Ill give you some target practice in the allied plane lol. You got to close one eye. Sit backwards in your plane. Drink a 26er of bourbon, and fly upside down . And the green guy has to sit on the fuselage I might have a chance then


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Yes with pilots cap on backwards turned inside out . My feet hurt only to relized boots on wrong feet all day

[M]LtDan nhouse wrote: Sad there is not way same pilot can go 2 and 10 in brit palne and switch sides to german and go 20 and 2 everytime everytime everytime

I stopped playing WWII and went back to WWI. Eventually it will be just a few pilots alone in WWII on German side---have fun.

This is what it feels like to be in an Allied plane in a bombing game

That is exactly how it feels lol. Except its in colour and Chewbacca Is laughing and pointing at me, friggin stinky over sized ewok

yep i stopped ww2 games weeks ago when i realised the distinct advantage some planes have over others

are we still getting double points for wwii? I havent compared to wwi,been under the weather so to speak

Yez I think we r but I can suck that up even going and play German side I don't feel right . Feels like I'm taking advantage of someone in brit plane .

Oh well party on Garth party on Wayne

yep no challenge its like shooting a caged animal not very sporting just like spawn killing let the enemy have a fair chance

[M]LtDan nhouse wrote: Yez I think we r but I can suck that up even going and play German side I don't feel right . Feels like I'm taking advantage of someone in brit plane .

Oh well party on Garth party on Wayne

Anybody try it with the Warhawk yet? I know my horse ate its chili dog and all, but I'm curious.

So what is the difference? What makes the Germans so much better?

(I don't play the WW2 planes yet.)

[NLR] McFate wrote: So what is the difference? What makes the Germans so much better?

(I don't play the WW2 planes yet.)

The German planes seem to be wildly more accurate head on, and impossible to hit head on if you are the allied plane.

The allies don't really have a sporting chance. Even I am deadly in the BF-109, laden with bombs, head to head against the best the allied side has.

Being that I am not the only one reporting higher numbers in the German plane, I would conclude something is amiss.

And Husky, Warhawk or not the 109 rules the skies. I would guess both the allied planes have a much larger profile from head on compared to the sleek design of the 109. If and when zup introduces the P-51 with its sleek fuselage the playing field may even out.

If only there was a way to write the aircraft programs to accurately showcase each aircrafts strengths. For instance, the P-40 was unmatched in its rate of dive, but in our game you cannot see a discernable difference in the various aircrafts dive rate. If folks were able to take advantage of each aircrafts historical strengths, it would make for a bit less lopsided matches. Just my opinion.

I went back to WWI for the same reasons though. Reminiscent of the early days of the D8 in df1, isn't it?

From what I have heard, it's not just the allied planes have a bigger hit area, but the aim is off too.

Play Allied and your KDR will be low kills, high deaths

Play German and your KDR will be high kills, low deaths

So, for now it sounds like it would be foolish to play head-on while allied. If the hit zone for the German planes is smaller head-on then the allies should do everything to avoid head-on confrontations, no?

It makes sense that the aiming would seem off if the hit area is smaller; you would have poorer results using the same technique. So use a different technique.

Imagine if the top planes for WW1 were the Fokker dr1 and the SE5a. They have different strengths: the SE5 has a faster top speed compared to its turning rate, so it is a better head-on and dive bomber, while the dr1 has a better turning rate compared to it's speed so it is a better turn fighter. If they were the top planes you would need to play them differently against each other.

No one has said that the flying performance is any different between the top WW2 planes so maybe it is similar to the difference between the bottom two WW1 planes: the German monowing is smaller and harder to hit than the allied DH2. If those were the only planes they would not be "even" either. Zup's vision includes "many planes" of both wars so there are certainly more to come. In the early days of DF there was a WW2 twin tail Rockwell, I imagine it will be back some day. Maybe there will be a P38 too.

Zup has made many references to someday adding heavy bombers. If a historical perspective is kept the Germans did not use many heavy bombers in WW2. Hmmm... Maybe there could be a "survival" mission where the allies need to defend against incoming unmanned V1 flying bombs; "buzz bombs" or "doodlebugs" as they were sometimes called.

So far it's too bad that, other than the total available upgrades, the only real performance difference between planes seems to be their hit zone. Maybe that will change, meanwhile shouldn't we play to minimize any disadvantages?

[NLR] McFate wrote: So, for now it sounds like it would be foolish to play head-on while allied. If the hit zone for the German planes is smaller head-on then the allies should do everything to avoid head-on confrontations, no?



So far it's too bad that, other than the total available upgrades, the only real performance difference between planes seems to be their hit zone. Maybe that will change, meanwhile shouldn't we play to minimize any disadvantages?

If playing to avoid disadvantages, ie going around vice up the middle, had any advantage it was negated by the shorter missions. Couple that with the fact that the German planes can blast right through defending allied planes, reach their targets, and crash in order to return to base in time to intercept an allied "up and around" aircraft and it makes for a long, uphill battle for the allied team, regardless of the talent (Or so it seems).

Don't take my word for it Fate. Go play WW2 allied a few games. Use all the tactics at your disposal. I bet it wont matter.

Like I said, I can slay top players in my German 109 that I normally get lucky to break even against. It isn't magic, rocket science, tactics, or me just having a great day that allows me to have the same experience as other WW2 players. I have faced allied tactics, droppers, sneakers, and two allied aircraft using sound two aerial combat tactics straight from Boyington's playbook. I can still manage at least 2:1 kdr as German. Frankly, I'm not that good and never have been. Additionally, others have the same results, they aren't unique to just me.

But I invite you to find out for yourself. Play a few WW2 games, then c'mon back and we can chitty-chat about it.


**Edit**

I almost forgot. In a lot of games, regardless of the tactics employed, folks will inevitably find themselves in a situation where they are forced to rise quickly to meet oncoming red aircraft who are close to base. In this case, a head on defense is all that's available. For the allies, that is generally futile. It's all over but the "gg"



Had to add that. It really does make a difference.

Viper,

I intend to. I have too many other priorities to justify spending money on planes right now so I'm saving up. I'll gladly play from a disadvantage. If things are as people say, no one should have a problem with Allied dropping to defend and going for sneaks. It still sounds like the advantage will go to the Germans so it will be more a "survival" game for the Allied. Could someone playing German really complain about an allied dropper?

It seems a bit like how a zep mission goes; the game advantage is clearly for the Germans. (Keep an eye on how many players will not stay in a zep game as allied.) It's not just for points, it's also that the closer the zep gets to the North base the longer it takes for a respawning allied to get back to the fight.

Zup will probably do some fix or add more planes sooner or later but for now it's the game we have. Should we stop playing allied or just be cannon fodder or should we fight the best we can?

My hope is that eventually the planes will have more variety of performance. I.e. some will dive better, or climb better, some will lose energy in turns faster than others, some could carry more payload... It could make it so the primary choices aren't just the top tier planes from each side. Bombers? We'll see. They seem just as mythical as Elite and Squad Wars used to.

Also, If the planes had more performance differences maybe the differences between devices would not matter so much because more advantage could come by how you play rather than which plane you fly. ...maybe.

Well Fate I think we that have tried it on allied side have the same fight in us . We don't give up being out numbered or up against better pilots . When u go negative or maybe break even after 50 or so games I gets old. You take aim u shoot down a greman the next same aim u get killed over and over don't make sense u know that shot gets kills and don't it's will drive u crazy .

[NLR] McFate wrote: Viper,

I intend to. I have too many other priorities to justify spending money on planes right now so I'm saving up. I'll gladly play from a disadvantage. If things are as people say, no one should have a problem with Allied dropping to defend and going for sneaks. It still sounds like the advantage will go to the Germans so it will be more a "survival" game for the Allied. Could someone playing German really complain about an allied dropper?

Nobody complains about allied droppers. It doesn't matter.

[NLR] McFate wrote:
Zup will probably do some fix or add more planes sooner or later but for now it's the game we have. Should we stop playing allied or just be cannon fodder or should we fight the best we can?

Let's hope zup takes notice, like he did with the D8 in legacy df, and make changes. As it stands now, lots of folks simply wont play WW2 allied and leave, reminiscent of the old D8 days.

[NLR] McFate wrote: My hope is that eventually the planes will have more variety of performance. I.e. some will dive better, or climb better, some will lose energy in turns faster than others, some could carry more payload... It could make it so the primary choices aren't just the top tier planes from each side. Bombers? We'll see. They seem just a mythical as Elite and Squad Wars used to.

Also, If the planes had more performance differences maybe the differences between devices would not matter so much because more advantage could come by how you play rather than which plane you fly.

That's also what I was talking about in my first post. Make the planes historically accurate by giving them the advantages they had in real life. The P-40 was my example: it could out-dive any opponent, and absorb a large amount of damage without sacrificing airworthiness. If zup would just make the Warhawk tough like it was, then the tide may turn against the German head on folks. That would be interesting indeed. Everyone gets 4 hits. The Zero takes the same amount of damage as the Warhawk...... and that isn't right at all.

I'm no programmer, but that seems like an easy fix.

So instead of stop playing the game I really like and all the friends I have made I play ww1 until hoping some adjustments will be made .

Viper,

That's a great idea about changing the hit point damage on different planes, same for the difference in dive performance. It seems like it would be a fairly simple change to make it so some planes could take 6 or more hits....hmmm.

If there were big, slow bombers it seems they would need to have much more hit points or have things like how you have to shoot the zep's engines before you can pop the balloon. I imagine the bombers only flying at about 80-100kph. The normal view would be from the cockpit with the forward facing gun, when you hit the view icon you could get in an articulating turret. (Meanwhile the plane continues on the last course set while you were in the cockpit.) The enemy would need to take out the turret gun before hits to the fuselage would count. Maybe a single bomb from an attacker could take one out?



The one thing that is certain is that Zup has plans to add more to the game. There are going to be some growing pains along the way.

Kinda brings back memories of when the D8 was released the first time in df1, now doesnt it. No one would fly allied planes . Players w the fokker D8 were putting up staggering numbers against allied planes

[M]LtDan nhouse wrote: Well Fate I think we that have tried it on allied side have the same fight in us . We don't give up being out numbered or up against better pilots . When u go negative or maybe break even after 50 or so games I gets old. You take aim u shoot down a greman the next same aim u get killed over and over don't make sense u know that shot gets kills and don't it's will drive u crazy .

Yep, exactly what Dan said. I bought BOTH planes. Everyone knows I fight to the bloody end for my team unless lag boots me.

I'd enter WWII and seemed to always get allied. I know I would be firing at German plane, but it shot me down nearly every time. Next I started to notice some who entered allied exit immediately and pop back as German..OK, I stay--same thing can't land a shot, die and lose game.

I'm back to WWI where it seems it's more evenly matched.

Oh, and I'd return if Zup fixed it too. Until then those pretty planes sit.

BULLET [M]isfit wrote: Kinda brings back memories of when the D8 was released the first time in df1, now doesnt it. No one would fly allied planes . Players w the fokker D8 were putting up staggering numbers against allied planes

Yeah, it's very much the same. The d8 advantage might even have been a little more at first. It had two advantages: the smaller hit zone and when it was first introduced it was the only plane with 5 upgrades available in all categories. The Sopwith Camel did not have the highest upgrade for speed until Zup changed it based on player feedback. Once he changed that the kill zone was still a big enough difference that he eventually got rid of it altogether. Is the d8 now available in WW1 games again? It might create a "problem" if people start using it again....

No need to fly a comparatively slow D8 when the 109 is available.... Both are deadly head to head.

I did face one guy who purchased a D8. He didn't fare so well vs. my F4F. Again, I'm less than remarkable at this game.

Viper10{WP} wrote: No need to fly a comparatively slow D8 when the 109 is available.... Both are deadly head to head.

I did face one guy who purchased a D8. He didn't fare so well vs. my F4F. Again, I'm less than remarkable at this game.

So the d8 is only available in WW2 ? Lol. That's kind of silly being that it was built at the very end of WW1. But I guess if it were in WW1 games we'd have all those imbalance issues in both wars.

So as things are, unless someone is willing to keep playing allied and taking it on the chin,German WW2 point farmers will keep playing without much opposition.

As soon as I can afford it I'll go to the fully upgraded allied.

"Whither so ever they blow, onward to glory I go!" - Don Quixote

BTW:

Big salute to those who refuse to play German (or at least not only German) until this is fixed. True class!

(Same for those who always stick around to defend the zep.)

[NLR] McFate wrote: So as things are, unless someone is willing to keep playing allied and taking it on the chin,German WW2 point farmers will keep playing without much opposition.

As soon as I can afford it I'll go to the fully upgraded allied.

"Whither so ever they blow, onward to glory I go!" - Don Quixote

I say we all go in as allied at once, wait for point farmers to show and sit, wheels locked, cheering for them!

[NLR] McFate wrote:

Viper10{WP} wrote: No need to fly a comparatively slow D8 when the 109 is available.... Both are deadly head to head.

I did face one guy who purchased a D8. He didn't fare so well vs. my F4F. Again, I'm less than remarkable at this game.

So the d8 is only available in WW2 ? Lol. That's kind of silly being that it was built at the very end of WW1. But I guess if it were in WW1 games we'd have all those imbalance issues in both wars.

I have played the D8 in both WW1 and WW2 , got the screen shots to prove it .