Dognamitt wrote: Anyone can drop not everyone can carry !
Anyone can drop their bombs not everyone can carry them and still out turn or out gun the reds with one i rarely drop my bombs in any type of game flag/bombing/dogfight. ill hold my bombs as long as i can it give you great stability as well to shoot

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Yeah, unfortunately there are a few one dimensional players out there.
They have a lot of trouble seeing the game in two dimensions.
No chance of them thinking three dimensional tactics.

Viper10{WP} wrote:
Personally, I dislike facing droppers and will likely drop to match your speed and performance, then hunt only you. But that's my style.

And right their you just gave the pilots who drop their bombs the best strategic advantage ever lol. I don’t play much anymore because of the worthless path the player base has taken these last four years after the realese of squadrons but one of the best things you could ever do for your team was to drop the bombs and drag the whole red team into a big giant twisting turning mass and gradually drag that mass away from their airbase. it worked well becasue it got the other team to lose their bombs, buying your team time, and creating a distraction. With that distraction your team can do amazing things with a bunch of worthless pilots.

Both carrying and dropping your bombs do have there merits. I personally will not drop unless things have reached a bit of a stale mate or the other side is clearly dominating. You have to be flexible and change your strategy as the situation changes. In other words don’t always just drop and don’t always just carry. With a bomb your a more stable shot and can bomb a hangers but if the odds are that you can’t make it to hangers and if things are to evenly matched in the head on and nothing is happening or the other team is beating the snot out of you head on, then it is time to change tactics. I don’t see any point in making things easy for the other team. You might as well use your brain and every trick up your sleeve to make it harder than the punishment in hell to the point were the other team must sell their souls to satan to win a game against you. If you don’t you lose and the game gets so boring you would rather be in hell.

Skydavis1 wrote:

Viper10{WP} wrote:
Personally, I dislike facing droppers and will likely drop to match your speed and performance, then hunt only you. But that's my style.

And right their you just gave the pilots who drop their bombs the best strategic advantage ever lol. I don’t play much anymore because of the worthless path the player base has taken these last four years after the realese of squadrons but one of the best things you could ever do for your team was to drop the bombs and drag the whole red team into a big giant twisting turning mass and gradually drag that mass away from their airbase. it worked well becasue it got the other team to lose their bombs, buying your team time, and creating a distraction. With that distraction your team can do amazing things with a bunch of worthless pilots.

Both carrying and dropping your bombs do have there merits. I personally will not drop unless things have reached a bit of a stale mate or the other side is clearly dominating. You have to be flexible and change your strategy as the situation changes. In other words don’t always just drop and don’t always just carry. With a bomb your a more stable shot and can bomb a hangers but if the odds are that you can’t make it to hangers and if things are to evenly matched in the head on and nothing is happening or the other team is beating the snot out of you head on, then it is time to change tactics. I don’t see any point in making things easy for the other team. You might as well use your brain and every trick up your sleeve to make it harder than the punishment in hell to the point were the other team must sell their souls to satan to win a game against you. If you don’t you lose and the game gets so boring you would rather be in hell.

The advantage can work for my team as well, especially if the said dropper was doing a great job defending his/her base, and my keeping him twisting and turning prevents him from successful defense. I used to do that to bubi, since he was great at defending from some altitude. I would engage him to let the bombers get by, and I am certain I am not the only person who employed that tactic.

There have been folks who drop and just shoot bombers mid-field, thereby keeping their base secure. A good tactic has been to drop to match, engage those players, and allow the bombers to face the other team mates, giving them a better chance to hit hangars/carrier.

It works both ways, and those who have been in games with me know I am always on the lookout for a strategic advantage over the reds.

Perhaps I should have expounded my answer for clarification.

I stand by my statement, I don't like facing droppers and will likely drop to match.... that isn't a superlative, its case by case as the game unfolds. I also pride myself in being able to hit a looping incoming red before he can get past and on my six, thereby allowing me to keep my bombs and stay in route to the objective.

All that only pertains to legacy df though. In elite there seems to come a point where I think everyone is just playing to maintain a draw, and not for the actual win.

Yea I also do the same thing. It all depends on how well each guy handles it. There are some people who even though they have a pilot on their tail chasing them can just evade shots and will be able to keep killing the on coming bombers. In the end it always comes down to a pilots skill and the skill of the players on their teams. The people that are extremely annoying are the ones who will refuse to fight a turn fight because they suck at it and the players who will refuse to fight a head on because they suck at it. People need to just go and get more well rounded. They need to learn every trick in the bag. Its hard to feel sorry for people who scream dropper when they can’t turn fight and stop the success of that tactic. Its hard to feel sorry for pilots who cry about sneakers but they can’t think enough to look and see who is in the game and take note of how long it has been since they last seen that person. If you haven’t seen them up the middle for a few passes they are sneaking. Its hard to feel sorry for people who cry about camping when they have all the time in the world to get in the air drop their bomb and begin turn fighting them. Its also hard to feel sorry for people who cry about spawn killing when there are clearly measures that can be taken to stop it. It is so bloody easy to get in the air pull some maneuvers to avoid getting shot till you can lose the bomb and get full speed and then engage them in a turn fight. The only thing that determines who wins a turn fight is who has the more patience and who acts the quickest at the slight opportunities that a quick change in maneuvering will offer.

I personally feel sorry for no one. The game is made decent enough that everything can be countered. I do agree with you, I hate it when a game seems to just be played to end up as a draw. If the game is played as narrowly as the majority thinks it should be played then the game has lost all its substance.

The only thing in this game that people complain about in this game that has any value to complain about is spawn killing. Right now as fare as I am concerned and form what I have observed, spawn killing in the sense it was first thought of in the early days of this game when there was no coding to try and prevent it does not exist anymore. It is impossible to spawn kill in this game. even near the beginning of this game if you had more than three people on a team it was a extremely hard and challenging feat to spawn kill planes anyway. You might get one or two but the third will get in the air and then you have to deal with him. While your dealing with him then the other two got up. Then it was a turn fight of three against one. A skilled pilot with quick reaction could handle that no problem but it was not longer spawn killing. It was just holding the enemy at a weak spot so your own bombers could come in and finish the game.

In all honesty games used to not last hours and hours. They might have lasted thirty minutes at the most. They would duke it out in the middle for a bit but then as soon as someone made it to the their enemies base in some way or another it usually was over in a matter of minutes. One person would get in bomb and then engage everyone there in a dogfight leaving the the whole map open for their teammates until they got to the reds base. From there they only had dodge some desperate bullets and bomb. Then it was all over. In reality if you have the skill to get up the middle and bomb or the patience and vigilance to sneak arround to their base wth out giving your self away or being noticed you have every right to hold the reds at their base. It was by their own fault of not stoping you from getting there that got them in that situation. The honorable thing is not to cry wolf and whine about that tactic they used or that they are using dishonorable tactics but the honorable thing is to accepted that they bested you in some way or form. You may be the better pilot the better shot and a better turn fighter but the fact they got there and you did not stop them is proof they bested you. Don’t cry about it just try to counter it. If you counter it then you have bested them and saved your selfs giving you another chance.

My apologies for getting off topic but I needed a moment to rant. The course dogfight has taken over these last several years community wise is just disgusting. It reminds me a lot of how all these countries just keep pumping out more and more laws and restrictions. They think they are protecting people and delivering social justice but instead they are only removing freedoms and restricting succese all while fostering a culture of hate and anger against people who have done nothing wrong.

Also when I use the word you I am not speaking to anyone specifically. I am just speaking to everyone in general.

Totally Agree!

Skydavis1 wrote: Yea I also do the same thing. It all depends on how well each guy handles it. There are some people who even though they have a pilot on their tail chasing them can just evade shots and will be able to keep killing the on coming bombers. In the end it always comes down to a pilots skill and the skill of the players on their teams. The people that are extremely annoying are the ones who will refuse to fight a turn fight because they suck at it and the players who will refuse to fight a head on because they suck at it. People need to just go and get more well rounded. They need to learn every trick in the bag. Its hard to feel sorry for people who scream dropper when they can’t turn fight and stop the success of that tactic. Its hard to feel sorry for pilots who cry about sneakers but they can’t think enough to look and see who is in the game and take note of how long it has been since they last seen that person. If you haven’t seen them up the middle for a few passes they are sneaking. Its hard to feel sorry for people who cry about camping when they have all the time in the world to get in the air drop their bomb and begin turn fighting them. Its also hard to feel sorry for people who cry about spawn killing when there are clearly measures that can be taken to stop it. It is so bloody easy to get in the air pull some maneuvers to avoid getting shot till you can lose the bomb and get full speed and then engage them in a turn fight. The only thing that determines who wins a turn fight is who has the more patience and who acts the quickest at the slight opportunities that a quick change in maneuvering will offer.

I personally feel sorry for no one. The game is made decent enough that everything can be countered. I do agree with you, I hate it when a game seems to just be played to end up as a draw. If the game is played as narrowly as the majority thinks it should be played then the game has lost all its substance.

The only thing in this game that people complain about in this game that has any value to complain about is spawn killing. Right now as fare as I am concerned and form what I have observed, spawn killing in the sense it was first thought of in the early days of this game when there was no coding to try and prevent it does not exist anymore. It is impossible to spawn kill in this game. even near the beginning of this game if you had more than three people on a team it was a extremely hard and challenging feat to spawn kill planes anyway. You might get one or two but the third will get in the air and then you have to deal with him. While your dealing with him then the other two got up. Then it was a turn fight of three against one. A skilled pilot with quick reaction could handle that no problem but it was not longer spawn killing. It was just holding the enemy at a weak spot so your own bombers could come in and finish the game.

In all honesty games used to not last hours and hours. They might have lasted thirty minutes at the most. They would duke it out in the middle for a bit but then as soon as someone made it to the their enemies base in some way or another it usually was over in a matter of minutes. One person would get in bomb and then engage everyone there in a dogfight leaving the the whole map open for their teammates until they got to the reds base. From there they only had dodge some desperate bullets and bomb. Then it was all over. In reality if you have the skill to get up the middle and bomb or the patience and vigilance to sneak arround to their base wth out giving your self away or being noticed you have every right to hold the reds at their base. It was by their own fault of not stoping you from getting there that got them in that situation. The honorable thing is not to cry wolf and whine about that tactic they used or that they are using dishonorable tactics but the honorable thing is to accepted that they bested you in some way or form. You may be the better pilot the better shot and a better turn fighter but the fact they got there and you did not stop them is proof they bested you. Don’t cry about it just try to counter it. If you counter it then you have bested them and saved your selfs giving you another chance.

My apologies for getting off topic but I needed a moment to rant. The course dogfight has taken over these last several years community wise is just disgusting. It reminds me a lot of how all these countries just keep pumping out more and more laws and restrictions. They think they are protecting people and delivering social justice but instead they are only removing freedoms and restricting succese all while fostering a culture of hate and anger against people who have done nothing wrong.

Also when I use the word you I am not speaking to anyone specifically. I am just speaking to everyone in general.

Skydavis1 wrote:


My apologies for getting off topic but I needed a moment to rant.

Heck of a rant, and I agree with all of it. But what can you do about the folks who complain? Personally, and after reading your rant I think you would agree, all you can do is note who they are and move on with the game at hand. I don't change my game play to suit others. Having been called a sneaker, dropper, and even camper is sadly, like it or not, a part of the game, and can even be thought of as a "mental tactic" to cause someone to play away from their strengths.

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I played a few games in elite this weekend. I hadn't played for a while. In the first two games I got called out as a dropper. Sigh. In both cases I still held 2. Got two hangars and two hits in the carrier right after.

"Fate U dropping?"
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
"Yep"


I hadn't played since Zup said he lightened the bombs. I like the change. There is still a difference in speed and performance between 0, 1 or 2 bombs but it's not as drastic as before... A laden plane flys a lot better than it used to.


Question:
"What is the velocity of a un-laden tri-plane?"

So what if you do drop its a tactic like sneaking/flying high/flying wide/flying low. i will call out a dropper if i see one as my team need to be aware of the slight advantage the dropper has but i don't really care if they drop

[NLR] McFate wrote: I played a few games in elite this weekend. I hadn't played for a while. In the first two games I got called out as a dropper. Sigh. In both cases I still held 2. Got two hangars and two hits in the carrier right after.

"Fate U dropping?"
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
"Yep"


I hadn't played since Zup said he lightened the bombs. I like the change. There is still a difference in speed and performance between 0, 1 or 2 bombs but it's not as drastic as before... A laden plane flys a lot better than it used to.


Question:
"What is the velocity of a un-laden tri-plane?"

Dognamitt wrote: So what if you do drop its a tactic like sneaking/flying high/flying wide/flying low. i will call out a dropper if i see one as my team need to be aware of the slight advantage the dropper has but i don't really care if they drop

[NLR] McFate wrote: I played a few games in elite this weekend. I hadn't played for a while. In the first two games I got called out as a dropper. Sigh. In both cases I still held 2. Got two hangars and two hits in the carrier right after.

"Fate U dropping?"
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
Hangar destroyed by [NLR] McFate
"Yep"


I hadn't played since Zup said he lightened the bombs. I like the change. There is still a difference in speed and performance between 0, 1 or 2 bombs but it's not as drastic as before... A laden plane flys a lot better than it used to.


Question:
"What is the velocity of a un-laden tri-plane?"

I don't mind in the least if anyone drops and sometimes I do too. Play as you see fit. It's supposed to be fun.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Question:
"What is the velocity of a un-laden tri-plane?"

what do you mean - an allied tri-plane or an axis tri-plane?

airwolff wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote: Question:
"What is the velocity of a un-laden tri-plane?"

what do you mean - an allied tri-plane or an axis tri-plane?

All games have its own circumstances. To carry bombs in a flag game is same stupid as to carry no one
In a hangar bomb game. But if you 're alone vs. 3 or more enemy,i drop all bombs to better defend mine.
Therefore it depends always, i haven t a generally valid rule. The most logical option in order to win the game is always my choice, zero,one or two bombs...whatever is the best option!