Bzerkbzerk,

No slight intended here. Although this is intended as a real conversation I'm sure it will attract a S-storm but I'm willing to take the heat in order to show you how you are actually doing what you accuse others of when you say things like "People here on the forum wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying."



I'm truly hoping this may help you to understand that my original post in the "team chat" thread was not instigating, it was not assuming nor was it 'petty bs'. This post may seem to be "petty bs" but I'm actually trying to set something straight here. It's not 'petty bs' that I feel I need to walk on egg shells to avoid setting you off. Fact be known, I'm more annoyed with the needless hijacking of good conversations than I am of your hypersensitivity.



Somehow you took offense to...(btw, I was directly addressing Zup here)

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: BTW, you seem to get many of the complaints about not being able to fly with friends from squads that use third party communications. That's how they know that they can't find someone else or a particular game.

You responded with...

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Zello has been out for some time. I love how you assume that people using communication apps that don't take memory from the game only complain because of that app and can't find each other. Have you forgotten how little it is used to actually communicate in a game? Most of the time we bs and play less. People here on the forum wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying.

It's not difficult to find squad mates when you have so many active members playing at any given time. Key word is active, coordinated with some who prefer to play with non istigating people.

When Manfred called you out for being antagonistic you responded that "...being realistic is antagonistic..." in his interpretation. How were you being "realistic"? You later go on to say "Honestly not using semantics here, just find it amusing when others do in hopes of shaming ones intelligence." Honestly you should go into semantics. It really would not hurt.


se·man·tics/səˈman(t)iks/
noun
The branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.

Piece by piece. My interpretation in red.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Zello has been out for some time. (Your first assumption. I made no mention of Zello and there are many other 3rd party comms) I love how you assume (I made no assumptions) that people using communication apps that don't take memory from the game (irrevelant to anything said here) only complain ("only" is inaccurate. I said "you seem to get many of the complaints from..." ) because of that app (Okay, I'll throw you a bone here. I suppose my statement might have been construed as an assumption here because I did not take the time to expound on any other possible reasons why people might have figured out what was happening, but that would be petty don't you think?) and can't find each other. Have you forgotten how little it is used to actually communicate in a game? Most of the time we bs and play less. (once again, irrevelant to anything said here) People here on the forum (Who? All people here? No big deal, but semantically you are speaking for everyone.) wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying.

It's not difficult to find squad mates when you have so many active members playing at any given time. Key word is active, coordinated with some who prefer to play with non istigating people.(Who are you referring to here? Lol.)

I don't see how you concluded that I being in any way petty or in anyway instigating.


I'm not out to get you or the Misfits. I'm not out here to be a petty troll and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. I'm just writing my thoughts. It's too bad that you take exception to that but for you to go and hijack threads and accuse others of what you yourself are doing is... silly.

Shame on you.

Actually you did not say or mention zup in the last part of your original post until now, shame on who. Shame for responding to a thought with a thought. Next time fate be specific instead of generalizing your thoughts.

I did nothing more than point a flaw in the statement by using the term assume as you left it open to interpretation without full explanation, hugs.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Actually you did not say or mention zup in the last part of your original post until now...

Umm, the title of the thread was "Zup, please make "Team Chat' in game."

[NLR]*McFate* wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Actually you did not say or mention zup in the last part of your original post until now...

Umm, the title of the thread was "Zup, please make "Team Chat' in game."

Umm I only responded again to the last statement in the entire post.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: I.. did nothing more than point a flaw in the statement by using the term assume as you left it open to interpretation without full explanation, hugs.

BTW, What "flaw" are you referring to?

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

[NLR]*McFate* wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Actually you did not say or mention zup in the last part of your original post until now...

Umm, the title of the thread was "Zup, please make "Team Chat' in game."

Umm I only responded again to the last statement in the entire post.

Who exactly did you assume I was speaking to when I said "you seem to get many of the complaints about not being able to fly with friends..."

This is going to be a waste of time, a public forum is just that, public. If you don't like a response you get on a topic you started ignore it and that applies to me as well. I only read threads that peak my interest by title not author, so I don't go out of my way to look for any post you make. If its in recent topics I may take a gander, or just pass on by.

It was the general content that caught my interest as the in game squad chat has been discussed again and again. It was the generalized verse in the end that was left to either side of the fence for it's meaning by you.

My interp differs, not my fault. I didn't write it, I read what you posted keeping in mind that sarcasm comes natural to you and where you have left it in the past. So deciphering your posts can be tricky at times.

Bs Bz.

Manfred called out out on your instigation (which is what you were accusing me of, unless of course you were just spouting into the air) and you tried to back pedal your way out of it. I believe this sort of thing is the reason why you are often in the middle of communications gone wrong.

Own it.

I agree that I sometimes get snarky but I stand by what I say.

I'm not back pedaling in the least. You left an open opinion, I commented with assuming as that was how it appeared in my interpretation. Twist it how you see fit.

Mis communication in this community is everywhere as lack of information or reputation seems to dictate exchanges. Insults are thrown or feelings get hurt. To throw me under the bus in this is does not surprise me in the least coming from you. Rumor has it I have mind control powers.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: ...My interp differs, not my fault. I didn't write it, I read what you posted keeping in mind that sarcasm comes natural to you and where you have left it in the past. So deciphering your posts can be tricky at times.

So I ask that you please make a cogent reply; how did you read my post and reach the interpretation that you did?

[NLR]*McFate* wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: ...My interp differs, not my fault. I didn't write it, I read what you posted keeping in mind that sarcasm comes natural to you and where you have left it in the past. So deciphering your posts can be tricky at times.

So I ask that you please make a cogent reply; how did you read my post and reach the interpretation that you did?

(Snark alert!)
BTW: Don't tell my you are going to claim that you thought I was being sarcastic in an obviously sencere message to Zup about making a change to the game.

You stated that the majority of the complaints are coming from those who use outside forms of communication. How many forms of communication are you aware of and how many people using apps like zello are complaining?

As I see many complaints on World chat and on the forum and for the most part could not tell you if the majority rely on apps like zello. Yet if you have all that information that that many are relying on apps to communicate then good for you.

So is it that you know for a fact that those who can't find friends are using apps like zello? Or is it a general assumption?

Wrong again.

I said "...many of the complaints..."

As for who posted, I'll go back and find several when I get home tonight if you really want to go there. I stand by what I've said.

By the way, what does "just saying" mean to you? That you take no responsibility for what you say?

Many, majority, excuse me, got me there. Can we have some more sarcasm, as you ask a question and don't like the answer. What will satisfy the great McFate (sarcasm)?

Have a nice day and as you once said, don't take this place to serious.

Look,

You called me out for instigating. I'm calling bs. You are talking out of your backside. Your pants are down and your cover is blown. If you want to make accusations you really ought to have something to base them on. Or are you just trolling?

My point of this thread is that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of. So far you have said nothing to refute that. Your credibility is diminishing the more you back pedal. If you have something real to say, please say it.

If you were just talking flying styles I wouldn't be calling you out but you are "bearing false witness" (okay, just a touch too serious here). If you can't stand by your accusations maybe you should not make them. Just saying.

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: Look,

You called me out for instigating. I'm calling bs. You are talking out of your backside. Your pants are down and your cover is blown. If you want to make accusations you really ought to have something to base them on. Or are you just trolling?

My point of this thread is that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of. So far you have said nothing to refute that. Your credibility is diminishing the more you back pedal. If you have something real to say, please say it.

If you were just talking flying styles I wouldn't be calling you out but you are "bearing false witness" (okay, just a touch too serious here). If you can't stand by your accusations maybe you should not make them. Just saying.

Where in this post did I call you out for instigating? Where in this post do I accuse you directly of instigating?

Zello has been out for some time. I love how you assume that people using communication apps that don't take memory from the game only complain because of that app and can't find each other. Have you forgotten how little it is used to actually communicate in a game? Most of the time we bs and play less. People here on the forum wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying.

It's not difficult to find squad mates when you have so many active members playing at any given time. Key word is active, coordinated with some who prefer to play with non istigating people.

Okay, so basically you were "just saying" a bunch of unrelated jibberish? I'd certainly like to believe that rather than thinking you are just being a troll.

I commented on a thread by you and you and another blew it up. Call it whatever justifies the reaction and action you took. A thread just for me, I'm touched. Was all this worth it? I don't think I'm the one who got caught with my pants down, my fly open on occasion, that's embarrassing enough.

You need a trophy for a back pedaling award.

I still invite you to explain how you various "just saying" points fit into the original thread but you're a slick as Bill Clinton.

See you in the skies.

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: You need a trophy for a back pedaling award.

I still invite you to explain how you various "just saying" points fit into the original thread but you're a slick as Bill Clinton.

See you in the skies.

Give it up already, back pedaling my hind end. You reacted to nothing and created this wasted exchange. I'm sure you will see me, you kill me I kill you, blah blah blah. That's the point of the game, shoot and shoot again.

You looked for a fight and didn't like the result. Did you think I would get upset over something so petty that you made personal? Did you think I would fall for the remarks or insults thrown with more insults? You asked and I responded.

Waiting for more snarky remarks, they are colorful.

Bzerk,

Oh for goodness sake, can't you just admit that you misread Fate's original post as an attack on... something, I still can't figure out what your beef is. I did not read anything even remotely offensive in his post. It merely said (and I paraphrase significantly):
1. Zup (and that's in the title, which you say you read), if we had the ability to chat just among blue teammates in-game, that would be very cool.
2. By the way, if you were wondering how people know for sure that they can't find each other in-game, it's because a lot of those folks that you're hearing from are using third party comm apps, so they are talking while looking for each other in the game.

Does that message include anything that warrants your response? [underlines added by me]

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Zello has been out for some time. I love how you assume that people using communication apps that don't take memory from the game only complain because of that app and can't find each other. Have you forgotten how little it is used to actually communicate in a game? Most of the time we bs and play less. People here on the forum wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying.

It's not difficult to find squad mates when you have so many active members playing at any given time. Key word is active, coordinated with some who prefer to play with non istigating people.

There must be some history here that I haven't read. Why does the topic of third party comm apps cause you such defensiveness? Subtle yes, but clearly there.

The "petty bs" didn't start in the original post. It started with you.

Manfred

Manfred wrote: Bzerk,

Oh for goodness sake, can't you just admit that you misread Fate's original post as an attack on... something, I still can't figure out what your beef is. I did not read anything even remotely offensive in his post. It merely said (and I paraphrase significantly):
1. Zup (and that's in the title, which you say you read), if we had the ability to chat just among blue teammates in-game, that would be very cool.
2. By the way, if you were wondering how people know for sure that they can't find each other in-game, it's because a lot of those folks that you're hearing from are using third party comm apps, so they are talking while looking for each other in the game.

Does that message include anything that warrants your response? [underlines added by me]

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: Zello has been out for some time. I love how you assume that people using communication apps that don't take memory from the game only complain because of that app and can't find each other. Have you forgotten how little it is used to actually communicate in a game? Most of the time we bs and play less. People here on the forum wonder how the petty bs gets started when it's assumptions by people posting that start it, just saying.

It's not difficult to find squad mates when you have so many active members playing at any given time. Key word is active, coordinated with some who prefer to play with non istigating people.

There must be some history here that I haven't read. Why does the topic of third party comm apps cause you such defensiveness? Subtle yes, but clearly there.

The "petty bs" didn't start in the original post. It started with you.

Manfred

My interp differs, not my fault. I didn't write it, I read what you posted keeping in mind that sarcasm comes natural to you and where you have left it in the past. So deciphering your posts can be tricky at times.

I did, as I said my interp was different. Wrote that a few back. My interpretation was different, must have missed that.

...which leads us back here again:

[NLR]*McFate* wrote:

[NLR]*McFate* wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: ...My interp differs, not my fault. I didn't write it, I read what you posted keeping in mind that sarcasm comes natural to you and where you have left it in the past. So deciphering your posts can be tricky at times.

So I ask that you please make a cogent reply; how did you read my post and reach the interpretation that you did?

(Snark alert!)
BTW: Don't tell my you are going to claim that you thought I was being sarcastic in an obviously sencere message to Zup about making a change to the game.

You did nothing to explain yourself and you still claim that you thought I was being sarcastic in my "obviously sincere" request to zup to make a change to the game.

Any response to my questions?

This is all you get from me today, you jumped on my ass over nothing and demand answers that have no satisfaction for you. You blow up and start a thread in which you have had every opportunity to walk away from, but just can't. I'm here for the entertainment value at this point myself, as the drama is nail biting.

You took nothing in the hopes of shaming me publicly, how did that work out for you? Grow some skin dude and relax.

You never explained yourself. You just hid behind "just saying". If you want some respect grow some and explain what you meant by all the points that Manfred underlined.

Don't be an @-hole and I promise not to jump on you.

Btw, I did not intend "see you in the skies" as any sort of threat. I rarely see you and the few times that I do I actually like your play style because it mixes things up and breaks the tedium of head ons. The only thing I don't like is how you would rather crash than fight after a sneak bombing. I can't help but feel it is cowardly. (That's right, I'd rather you tried to camp than crash.)

Well more ASSumptions from the great dropper and yes, camper himself. Wouldn't expect anything less from such a inspiring player.

Is this the best you have dude, really. Like the rest, you show just what kind of character you have, little. Come on, I'm excited to see the next round of insults, put me downs, whatever you want to call them.

And this is of general interest because... ?
Get on Zello and insult each other please, then I'll ship some boxing globes. You can gopro the event and post it here.

Lol Way to go zup! Post of the year right here hahahaha. Dam thats just funny. If yall gopro it, i have my moneys on Fate.

Alright, alright.

Nothing more to see here. Move along.

Bzerk,

It was a good row. Enough said and nothing accomplished. I still don't hate you and I was not being sarcastic about appreciating your flying style.

I'd be happy to continue on zello if we set up a special channel. We could get an impartial moderator and each take 5 minutes to tell the other off. We could probably sell tickets! (Jk!)

Cheers,

McFate

[NLR]*McFate* wrote: Alright, alright.

Nothing more to see here. Move along.

Bzerk,

It was a good row. Enough said and nothing accomplished. I still don't hate you and I was not being sarcastic about appreciating your flying style.

I'd be happy to continue on zello if we set up a special channel. We could get an impartial moderator and each take 5 minutes to tell the other off. We could probably sell tickets! (Jk!)

Cheers,

McFate

At $10 each I will take 2 please. Do you have change for a hundred? If you do then please send me the $80 and I will send the hundred, okie dokie