I hope you all are satisfied. No more competition, no more skill required to play the game.

What is this referring to? Bigger planes?

Every piece of this great game has just been put into a realm of a no skill required form, slow motion movement requires no skill kill.

Is it that bad? Haven't been ingame in a couple days

New update isn't yet available on Windows phone store. So no 4.78 for me till now. I played a few games today and I felt like i was flying with a 'Hey!! Im here Kick my @ss' banner!! I got easily killed I asked about their OS and most of them were on Droid. So I'm eagerly waiting for the update. Wonder how the new BIG planes will be!!!

Actually, the speed is the same. It just feels slower because all planes are bigger now. But if you check the speedometer, you see it's moving at the same speed as always.

If you jump into a boing 747 at 200 miles per hour it looks slow... jump at the same speed on a motorcycle and you can poo yourself. The bigger the object, the slower it seems it's moving when sitting on it.

zuperman wrote: Actually, the speed is the same. It just feels slower because all planes are bigger now. But if you check the speedometer, you see it's moving at the same speed as always.

If you jump into a boing 747 at 200 miles per hour it looks slow... jump at the same speed on a motorcycle and you can poo yourself. The bigger the object, the slower it seems it's moving when sitting on it.

Why were the sizes of the planes even changed?

I agree with Bz here. Easier to see means easier to shoot, and that's going to replace the skill needed to play the game with simple reaction time. It'd suck if DF became a Call of Duty style game. I think the sizes ought to be changed back, Zup.

Planes were made bigger because they were not realistic. They were a dot at 100 meters.
Until everyone gets the update you may have some advantage but after that, it's actually more skills now than before. Before it was mostly luck when shooting on the distance. Also the planes were shaking up and down and jumping often when there was a bit of lag. Now they follow a more realistic path.

You have to see the update for yourself to compare.

zuperman wrote: Planes were made bigger because they were not realistic. They were a dot at 100 meters.
Until everyone gets the update you may have some advantage but after that, it's actually more skills now than before. Before it was mostly luck when shooting on the distance. Also the planes were shaking up and down and jumping often when there was a bit of lag. Now they follow a more realistic path.

You have to see the update for yourself to compare.

zup we have honed our skills on the game prior to this update, personally for me nearly three years. Meaning I play this game enough to know that there is a difference in game play. I appreciate the time you are now taking to listen to what players are giving you as feedback.

Prior to the last three updates we had glitches in certain missions, zep games, tanks on water which never bothered me, planes appearing below runway no biggie. What I'm saying is, that although glitches were there, the game was playable with a obtainable skill set.

Glitches will be there as operating system sync is nearly impossible to predict, where in fact some users on apple haven't yet updated and still play on last version. So where do you draw a line and say it is what it is or continue to try and appease the impossible.

Just my opinion.......:::
The game as it was 12 months ago but without lag would be perfect.
Big slow planes and millions of trees doesn't seem right!

Zup,

I disagree that distance shooting was more luck before. Maybe bigger screens has an advantage though (easier to see that one pixel to line up). But there was a definite skill, and some people had it finessed. (Just not me, at least not all the time - I really had to be in the zone.)

As for chasing, before, I knew when I made a bad move being chased by a good pilot, and blammo, down I went. I also knew when I made a good move or they made a small error, and there they would be, near my sights for a split second - it would then take a *skillful shot* to bring them down. But now, the planes are so big, that last skill to take them down can be done with eyes closed, no matter who it is. Same with them taking me down, at least according to them. The skill needed has been substantially reduced, to the point that it seems random, and oddly frequent, for both pursuer and pursuee.

And this IS with upgraded players (we do ask). Killing un-upgraded players is of course super easy, and it's much harder for them to kill me. I ask because I don't want to take undue advantage.

Maybe we'll get used to it, and start to discern the new skills needed. But I really doubt it. It's just too big now. Maybe split the difference, or go most of the way back to where it was, if there's a lag issue with going all the way back.

Manfred

the airplanes are just a bit bigger... it's not like they grew gigantic

Zup i thought you said i would get german in carrier games. I just went into one got allied and spawn crashed

zuperman wrote: the airplanes are just a bit bigger... it's not like they grew gigantic

Hmm, well, however much bigger they are, the net changes is resulting in this dynamic. Seeing it, hearing it from others. Do you feel it when you play? It just feels a lot easier, easier to kill and easier to be killed.
Manfred

Edit: And BTW... it's Saturday! This can wait until a WORK day. Weekends are for life and love. You are setting a bad example for the youths here

I love it. You guys wouldn't be complaining if yall was playing on a 7 inch screen. Now I can ACTUALLY see what I'm shooting at. As zuperman stated it was a dot a 100 meters. One time I was shooting at the dot while it was like 17 letters in front of me. Didn't exactly know till I crashed into it.

[AOV] nine ball wrote: I love it. You guys wouldn't be complaining if yall was playing on a 7 inch screen. Now I can ACTUALLY see what I'm shooting at. As zuperman stated it was a dot a 100 meters. One time I was shooting at the dot while it was like 17 letters in front of me. Didn't exactly know till I crashed into it.

Excuse me??Im playing on a 4" screen and I'm complaining!!

i like the new features on the update. when i updated i needed to renew my subscription so i was in free mode. looks like in free mode you can only select a random game and you have the timer. when my subscription went through the 6 zones appeared like normal. so i think that's a nice addition for the ones that subscribe.

the chute on windows 8.1 is crazy. and it seems like the tank is slower but i like the new view with the visible cannon barrel. i played 3 games and didn't notice anything too jumpy or disappearing so that is good!

[AOV] nine ball wrote: I love it. You guys wouldn't be complaining if yall was playing on a 7 inch screen. Now I can ACTUALLY see what I'm shooting at. As zuperman stated it was a dot a 100 meters. One time I was shooting at the dot while it was like 17 letters in front of me. Didn't exactly know till I crashed into it.

Yeah this is pure ignorance right here. I play on a Galaxy S4 and I can see and feel the difference and I am not a fan personally. I only play like twice a month nowadays, so I will just accept it for for what it is.

Weather[*M]an wrote:

[AOV] nine ball wrote: I love it. You guys wouldn't be complaining if yall was playing on a 7 inch screen. Now I can ACTUALLY see what I'm shooting at. As zuperman stated it was a dot a 100 meters. One time I was shooting at the dot while it was like 17 letters in front of me. Didn't exactly know till I crashed into it.

Yeah this is pure ignorance right here. I play on a Galaxy S4 and I can see and feel the difference and I am not a fan personally. I only play like twice a month nowadays, so I will just accept it for for what it is.

I'm also on an S4, much smaller than 7". Not everyone sees it just like you niner. I'll keep trying to see if there is a skill to be had, but it still feels too easy, both the shooting and the being shot.
Manfred

I dislike the low level guys along with veteran players shooting me down within half a second with their 2nd and 3rd bullets... not that it didn't happen before... just now its every time as soon as I'm on radar head on.. Can't take aim and shoot them because now I'm an easier target... I was actually a decent head on Wind8.1 player =(

head on never was a good tactic. If the game its more realistic then tactics no realistics gonna die, thats a true.

Ziza wrote: head on never was a good tactic. If the game its more realistic then tactics no realistics gonna die, thats a true.

DAVY says, hi Ziza, how are you. I believe head on is very important and a good tactic however I made a mistake of concentrating on the head on and didn't learn how to dogfight like you. You, KES and ZEBRA are the best, you all make me cringe. Now I'm frantically learning how to dogfight, I'm getting pretty good now except for the very top folks like yourself.

My advise to any new player is to become great at all tactics of the game.

I personally do not like the bigger planes nor the slow speed. It takes away a lot of the fun.

=LE=PIE OF JERRY wrote: I dislike the low level guys along with veteran players shooting me down within half a second with their 2nd and 3rd bullets... not that it didn't happen before... just now its every time as soon as I'm on radar head on.. Can't take aim and shoot them because now I'm an easier target... I was actually a decent head on Wind8.1 player =(

I have the exact same experience on my Win8.1 The reds appear, I start to line them up, "you were brought down by..."

I have to get more creative I guess. Either that or be happy with a 1/2 kdr vs. level 10 and up. (Hint: not happy)



I wonder how it will be when everyone has the update........

S. L. O. W. M. O. T. I. O. N

bts wrote:

[AOV] nine ball wrote: I love it. You guys wouldn't be complaining if yall was playing on a 7 inch screen. Now I can ACTUALLY see what I'm shooting at. As zuperman stated it was a dot a 100 meters. One time I was shooting at the dot while it was like 17 letters in front of me. Didn't exactly know till I crashed into it.

Excuse me??Im playing on a 4" screen and I'm complaining!!

Well I'm extremely sorry that I don't share your love for dying as soon as I pop on enemies radar. My sincerest apologies.

Of course you're right that the size change isn't much, Z, but it's certainly been felt a lot.

And as for luck shooting at long distances, I think that most players would disagree with you. It's definitely skill to get a shot lined up just right when the enemy is a four pixel dot and you're on full sensitivity.

Maybe I explained myself wrong. I didn't mean it was luck, I said that before it required more luck.
If you got lot of practice you already knew all the tricks but for new guys with a small phone, they saw a dot and shoot at the area hoping for a hit.

Now, at least they see 5 dots instead of 1

It's not only visuals, things had to be a bit larger because the physics engine (PhysX I use developer.nvidia.com/physx-sdk
didn't like much such small contact areas. That's why it shakes lot sometimes. This is now mitigated.

Just an observation here, head on fighting is actually the most difficult shot when it comes to aerial combat. Aircraft design provides less area to hit, either coming towards you or away, equaling more difficult. Add that to barrel length which determines accuracy and I am leaning towards the newly updated ease of head on distance shooting being less realistic, not more. Add that to the parachutes, sniper rifles, tanks on ground when you land, and aircraft carriers for un-realistic game components. All those things contribute to the overall fun of the game and I am not suggesting they go away, I'm just memorializing my thoughts. Granted I don't have the update yet but have played against it and have been a sitting duck for the updated players. I forsee longer games due to this new development and the balanced games. Frankly I usually don't have time for a marathon session every time I play and this will be either deter me from playing or force me to quit mid-fight, and I am not crazy about either option.

My suggestion would be to either return the plane to its former size, OR, use less pixels for an aircraft in a zero degree deflection profile (Head on or directly behind) and more pixels as the aircraft presents a greater degree of deflection for game authenticity and realism.

Regardless of plane size this game is awesome and the only game I even bother with.

Viper10{WP} wrote: .... I forsee longer games due to this new development and the balanced games. Frankly I usually don't have time for a marathon session every time I play and this will be either deter me from playing or force me to quit mid-fight, and I am not crazy about either option.

I wondered if that will happen more too. I like a good long battle but 1-2 hours may be too long. Perhaps making the chute rifle control more difficult or making the tank faster and more powerful. Adjustment such as those could reduce the game length for most missions.