Dear ZUPERMAN, please do not take this thread the wrong way, we are not complaining or bitching, the purpose of this thread is to strictly inform you new problems created by your changes as we highly love this game however it's pretty much way to frustrating now to play and the fun has been taken out of the game.

Problem 1. The balancing is no good. This morning I was stuck in a hanger game, FOR A LONG TIME, the problem is that there are so many good players that all we do is shoot each other down, no one can bomb, even the sneakers can't make it. Therefore the game just goes on and on.

We do not like this balancing, I mean we all like a long fight but we also like the lopsided easy games where we can chat, relax and bomb. Most of us also enjoy being the underdog in a lopsided game, it's fun. If a red is in a lopsided game he had the option to quit and/or change sides. If a red wants a balanced game all he had to do was to search and he could usually find one.

SOLUTION, GET RID OF THIS CHANGE AND GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS

Problem 2. 99% of the time I can only get allied, that is really bad as I like bringing down zeps and I like the german plane. I can no longer change from allied to german. I cannot change to help a squadmate, I cannot be with my friends. This really takes the fun out of this game.

SOLUTION, MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE AIRPLANES AGAIN

Problem 3. Once you enter a game you are now stuck in that game until that game is over. UGGGGG THIS IS HORRIBLE. No matter what searver you go to it's always the same game, you cannot leave, you cannot change. You either have to play this game even if you don't like the game and/or the players or you have to quit dogfight completely until that game is over. Uggggg when you want to play you want to play, not wait several minutes or hours until a game is finished.

SOLUTION, MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE GAMES AGAIN

we also have update problems that you probably already know about. These new changes that you have made has really taken the fun out of this game for myself and many others. Several players are now exploring other games which makes me sad because I don't want to see my friends leave. Would you please reconsider what changes you have made and reverse them.

Thank you ZUPERMAN, we all love the game

Like i have said before more than once, the pleasure of playing with my friends is what has kept me here much longer than any other single reason. That has been taken away.

The option to play or not play a game has also been lost. I spawned into a carrier game this morning, unfortunately i was allied. Spawn in, crash through carrier, repeat. As long as i can stand to crash crash crash. Could not go find another game, could not change planes.

As to game balancing this is what i had in another game this morning. Fortunately i was German.



Now how does that happen, what happens if, if more reds come in, then it could be 4-2 against us, but as far as the game is concerned it would 4-4.

Zup i know you work hard trying to keep this game running. I dont think anyone can question that. You got the initial apple problem fixed pretty quickly. There are still more apple problems though. See this next pic.

This is your product, we are your customers. I do not know what point you need to reach to make the improvements that many have mentioned are coming, just be patient. I do know that consumers will not stay long with a product that does not satisfy. Be it cars, food, or games, whatever the product is. I know quite a few players who are now about to enter their 3rd month of financial commitment here, but the product is not satisfying.

I liked things the way they were as well. Before, if I spawned into an uneven game, regardless of what side I was on, if I didn't like it, I could switch to help out a squad mate or I was able to move on to something else. That isn't the case anymore. I like to have a long game now and then, but time doesn't always permit that. The choice to find what suited me was so very appealing; I didn't realize it until that was taken away.

I really do appreciate all the time and effort that Zuperman has put into the game lately, seems like he's working on this game 24/7 trying to please everyone, and I know it's a lot of work dealing with us players. But I think this is something that really needs to be changed back.

No offense guys but I don't like the lopsided games. If I'm on the low side I get frustrated, and if I'm on the high side the win feels less meaningful. Buts that's just me. As far as planes and switching, I found that if I close out the app and restart it I get a different side or game -not a long term solution I hope, but is working for time being

This morning i tried everything to get another game. Until that carrier game ended i was stuck as allied and stuck in that carrier game. And here is another example of game balancing?

In this game when i came in it was 4-2 against german side. I made it 4-3, but then another red, 5-3. Thats not balancing. Not that i really care about balance, as you can see, does not make a lot of difference.

[*M] bware wrote: No offense guys but I don't like the lopsided games. If I'm on the low side I get frustrated, and if I'm on the high side the win feels less meaningful. Buts that's just me. As far as planes and switching, I found that if I close out the app and restart it I get a different side or game -not a long term solution I hope, but is working for time being

That didn't work for me, I tried. There is no option for us to change whereas before you did have the option to quit and change.

[*M] bware wrote: No offense guys but I don't like the lopsided games. If I'm on the low side I get frustrated, and if I'm on the high side the win feels less meaningful. Buts that's just me. As far as planes and switching, I found that if I close out the app and restart it I get a different side or game -not a long term solution I hope, but is working for time being

BWare, I have experienced those same feelings, in fact when I have been on the 6 side of a 6-2 game, nothing annoys me more when I get told good job for bombing a hangar or someone says gg...it wasn't really a good game...it was just a quick one, now on to the next one.

And I've been frustrated after getting spanked too...but a lot of us are really good pilots as a result of some of those spankings.

But whatever the scenario, it was my choice to switch, stay, or leave.

And re-setting or shutting down and re booting doesn't seem to work for me either.

Acknowledged

Its a tough call and sure would not want to be the one attempting to write code to make everyone happy. Ain't gonna happen.

For what it is worth, I am finding more and more that I tend to enjoy being outnumbered. It's pretty much a defensive game but it can be lots of fun if you happen to be on your game.

If I had to vote one way or the other, I would probably return things to the way they were if we only have the two options.

I look for out numbered side of the game . I like the fight. Can't switch to help the one lonely player . Campers can have a hay day.Help us switch so I can use a switch and whip some ....

GAW wrote: Its a tough call and sure would not want to be the one attempting to write code to make everyone happy. Ain't gonna happen.

For what it is worth, I am finding more and more that I tend to enjoy being outnumbered. It's pretty much a defensive game but it can be lots of fun if you happen to be on your game.

If I had to vote one way or the other, I would probably return things to the way they were if we only have the two options.

Good point GAW, poor ZUPERMAN cannot please all, he's in a very tough spot. That's why I don't even like bringing this stuff up but I felt I had to this time. I talk to so many players that are old time accomplished players and they all said the same thing which is go back to the way things were before and just simplify the game which may correct the lag.


Hopefully ZUPERMAN will make enough money to make all this worth-wild because I'm sure he cringes whenever he opens the forum. ZUPERMAN please know that we are all standing behind you.

I try to switch if my side is much bigger, like 6 vs 2 and definitely for 7 vs 1. For 5 vs 3, it really depends on the players.

And I don't mind switching sides, EXCEPT that sometimes the game just won't let me do it, no matter how many times I try. It either throws me into a completely different game (maybe someone else took my spot and the old game is full - very possible especially with all the time it takes to get out, get back in but see the annoying Already Logged In message, get out, and get back in), or it keeps sticking me back on the larger team. I was hoping that the lattermost problem was what was recently changed in the code, but I haven't fully tested that.

Manfred

Manfred wrote: I try to switch if my side is much bigger, like 6 vs 2 and definitely for 7 vs 1. For 5 vs 3, it really depends on the players.

And I don't mind switching sides, EXCEPT that sometimes the game just won't let me do it, no matter how many times I try. It either throws me into a completely different game (maybe someone else took my spot and the old game is full - very possible especially with all the time it takes to get out, get back in but see the annoying Already Logged In message, get out, and get back in), or it keeps sticking me back on the larger team. I was hoping that the lattermost problem was what was recently changed in the code, but I haven't fully tested that.

Manfred

You are seeing the results of the enforced team balancing. You cannot leave and go to another game once you enter. You might, MIGHT, switch sides but that is really unlikely. You have two choices, stay and play that game and that side, or go wait until it ends, whenever that is, and then get in a new game. Earlier today i got stuck as allied in a bomb carrier game. Spawn, crash, spawn, crash, could not get away from the game, could not switch. It was close to 45 minutes before that game ended and i could get another game. Very annoying if your playing time is limited.

I agree with your settings Sir. Jerk and ask to check my problem too, since access is now done by regions and I am isolated in Brazil region playing with few pilots low-level and can not play with my squad or against you Sir. Jerk lol.

I miss the days of flying and chatting with fellow members of my squad. This became a community where we interacted as a Squad and that seems very limited, if not gone.

I miss the variety of games where I might be able to find one member of my WP or GI and switch if needed. I was stuck in a zep game that went on for a very long time.

Thank you, Dire

All this talk of balancing games sounds like communism to me

I see a bigger problem in that one screenshot.. an imposter of my pilot First Blood.. that guy in another game tanked on the runway and spawnkilled to his hearts content.. zuperman needs to ban guys like this that both dishonor good pilots as well as dishonor Lafayette!

Looks like two impostors.

I had a game today where-as I was both red and blue lol, they both were me.

Back to the balancing subject, I would think a new player would be turned-off by a game that has 6 reds beating them down. Of course before it would be easier for them to switch out into a different game if they knew they could do that (or onto the side of 6 ).

ZebraUp wrote:

I see a bigger problem in that one screenshot.. an imposter of my pilot First Blood.. that guy in another game tanked on the runway and spawnkilled to his hearts content.. zuperman needs to ban guys like this that both dishonor good pilots as well as dishonor Lafayette!

Nope, in reality, game-wise speaking, there were only two of us there. Don't have any idea why first blood showed up 3 times. At least the other two weren't getting his kills too! Until i noticed the repeat i wondered what the other two guys were doing. Almost warned infernal to watch for sneakers!

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote: I had a game today where-as I was both red and blue lol, they both were me.

I am he as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together! Or something like that, its been a while.

Ok, let me explain. I've got tons, and I mean tons, of complains on this forum and even told me that how I expect them to pay a dime because:
1) Games are not balanced. They HATE it. I have read this like a thousand million times. Even today when I posted there was a new update coming, I've got several messages on the chat saying: are teams finally balanced?

2) Lag. A trillion billion times at least I've read this. On the forum, on email, on insulting reviews. Lag, fix it! fix the damn lag!

Ok so now I can fix or mitigate both and then surprise surprise... people prefer lag because they want to play with international friends even if their connection sucks and also uneven teams because that way they can flip sides at any moment.

In short... I'll give it a week and see what's better because obviously listening in this case adds no value. No matter what I do, people will have an excuse to insult or say they won't subscribe.

ZUPERMAN I know what you mean sir, I'm a business man who owes many apartments, if you please half the folks then the other half is pissed. It's a tough spot to be ZUPERMAN but we all have faith you will solve it.

We all love this game zup.

Zup, we all know your doing your best. At the end of the day that's all that matters.

Zuperman

Thank you for actively trying to fix issues with the game and continually working to make it better. It must be very difficult to hear complaints all the time and then when you try and fix them, people are unhappy about one thing or another. I myself do have a difficult time finding people in game now, but you are right.

Hopefully down the line there will be a way to have balanced teams and less lag as well as some way to play with friends/squadmates. I still think it would be nice to have some sort of pregame squad lobby so that you could join games as a squad. (In the future of course)

The #1 complaint has always been lag. So thank you again for trying to improve this issue.

Hey Zup,

There is a Murphys Law the says something like "If you try to please everyone, No one will like it"....

Go with the steadfast payers and players and ignore the flak....

Ok, I think I figured a way.

@TR and everyone who gets spawn killed on carrier because of the apple update: I'm changing the server so you get assigned german side until the fix is published when carrier missions are out.

About the team balancing... well, since it's impossible to satisfied everyone and people who would jump to slower servers and switch games provoke lag and more traffic (read, it also cost $ to maintain)... well, by default you will get no server choices any more. The game will pick the one that considers the fastest for you.

UNLESS, you subscribe. If you subscribe, then you can continue picking your fav server.

I think it's the most fair I can do, no options for people who play free and additional benefits for people that subscribe.

zuperman wrote: Ok, I think I figured a way.

@TR and everyone who gets spawn killed on carrier because of the apple update: I'm changing the server so you get assigned german side until the fix is published when carrier missions are out.

About the team balancing... well, since it's impossible to satisfied everyone and people who would jump to slower servers and switch games provoke lag and more traffic (read, it also cost $ to maintain)... well, by default you will get no server choices any more. The game will pick the one that considers the fastest for you.

UNLESS, you subscribe. If you subscribe, then you can continue picking your fav server.

I think it's the most fair I can do, no options for people who play free and additional benefits for people that subscribe.

Yes! You see? Membership HAS its privileges! Thanks Zup!

zuperman wrote: Ok, I think I figured a way.

@TR and everyone who gets spawn killed on carrier because of the apple update: I'm changing the server so you get assigned german side until the fix is published when carrier missions are out.

About the team balancing... well, since it's impossible to satisfied everyone and people who would jump to slower servers and switch games provoke lag and more traffic (read, it also cost $ to maintain)... well, by default you will get no server choices any more. The game will pick the one that considers the fastest for you.

UNLESS, you subscribe. If you subscribe, then you can continue picking your fav server.

I think it's the most fair I can do, no options for people who play free and additional benefits for people that subscribe.

I like this Zup, i can work here. You are taking care of the ones who are trying to take care of you. This should provide more incentive for people to play. Thanks.