Get rid of that weak banner El Stupido, it looks stupido

Call the wambulance.

If Zup should change something I think it would be to change it back to the realism the game had I the beginning, but then you probably cry about how hard it is to control the planes.

Adjust to what is and stop whining

And before you sniffel about me flying the D8. I haven't bought it Nor have I flown it.

Lmao Bellsaj just shut up

Not wanting to sound too cynical but the d8 has been made harder to hit simply so that everyone buys it and therefore more money for echoboom , but if that gets spent on making the game better or introducing squad wars the thats a good thing , these type of games need a constant flow of cash and no doubt there will be a few more planes available in a couple of months for people to moan about or love

Rat Tat Tat! wrote: Get rid of that weak banner El Stupido, it looks stupido

Its better than you taking selfies in the mirror at your stepmoms apt,,, lmao

Dont get jealous cuz I look better than you El Stupido. I bet youre fat huh? Lol El Stupido

Quite the lippy bugger eh rat , anyways like sky davis said the Eiii made infamy for being hard to hit head on but get behind it and its toast same goes for the new winged biscuit you need to get inventive

If you would take the time to look you would see that the Fokker E.III has the smaller body but it has a longer wing span so it might seem big to others.. So if the top plane was the Fokker E.III you would be complaining about that most likely.

check out the size..

Mr.[LF]Becken wrote:

Rat Tat Tat! wrote: El Stupido and Becken let me guess, ummmmmmm You have D8's!????

yes I have the D8 and I find it easy to shoot down the D8. Like I said above you need to be accurate when your flying.. I can bring down the D8 with no problem with my se5a and that's like flying a bus.. think about it, a Bus vs a Mosquito. each plane shoots the same bullets just depends who is controlling the plane and who is more accurate

LOL ......... The faces of Dogfight

No I don't have the D8, but I have shot down several..... Figure out how to bring them down...I did

Jeez, folks!

Looks like we have an hors-concours on bullying, making names, harsh comments and rudeness.
Rat, you are going to be a target, even for teammates. I hope you behave better ingame than you behave here on forum, cuz if you keep saying stupid things like that ingame, I wont bother teamkilling you.

Get a life, bro. Behave, and stop acting like a imature teenager. Looks like you already has some beard. Honor it. And go make some love, please. You need it.

Rat Tat Tat! wrote: Of course the clowns that use this plane will disagree, but I was in a match and 3 reds coming at me i took down 2 and emptied about 100 shots at this D8 and missed! I get it you will say dude youre a bad shot! Im not! This plane is a joke and unfair. It doesnt matter who uses it! Its an unfair advantage.

oh....somebody call the wambulance....did poor ole ratty tatty get shot by a d8?

GO CRY TO YOUR MOMMY...NOT US...ITS A GAME...learn to shoot it...or get shot.
_{whats the saying?....maybe....survival of the fittest?}

sure I have a bit of an issue shooting down the d8...but its a tough profile to hit...I can still hold a >1 kdr against 3 morafs in d8s...and hold them back with the help of one other pilot.

Just only enter games with the best German plane you've got. May take 2 or 3 attempts. I found that always flying in the same plane (maxed d5 in my case) is also very good for my kdr. Flying in a (maxed) nieuport 17 or in a (maxed) d5 ain't the same thing at all

I think D8 shoud be as it is...!!! Coz Zup already told D8 was the BEST Plane of WW1

i think yall should learn some tactics to shoot tht tiny BEAST

rat comportate, belljac is a person of honor and good pilot in all aspects. rat the game is as is, the DV8 was an excellent plane and difficult floor. simply apuntale best shoots rafagas to the ascending, if you under fijalo and shoots in front of the, if wrong with you are looking for sú tail and above all do not put nervous fíjalo also ántes of shoot. although costing you still intentandolo at the end have sús measures and the form of him down. Please do not estropeemos this nice game rat!!. estudialo also and derribaras easier. belljac has, reason, use sú head I hope that has helped a greeting.

What the hell are you trying to accomplish with this thread?

Not siding with anyone on the issue but c'mon folks, lets take it a bit easy on my squadmate. It seems that he had a rather bad day with the D8 and just like many casual players (I think he is one) out there, they would prefer to have a balance in the game. It does get frustrating to have a slippery little target come at you with guns blazing repeatedly. However, I do understand that there are also a lot of players here who are flight enthusiasts and that many here in the forums have come to accept the way things are right now in the game.

@Rat tat tat
Easy there brother, I can't fault you for feeling frustrated about the D8 but from what I understand about DF's balance, the D8 that the game has right now is pretty much a watered down version. The real life D8 was quite a monster in combat. From my experience, fighting the D8 is no different as to when I was fighting the Albatros DV (Zebra version) and SE5 back when they were the top dogs of DF. It also helped that both the DV back then and the D8 of today are such wonderful planes that noobs fly like veterans in either and these planes also become untouchable of sorts when flown by MORAF-level players.

Just think of it this way, if you become proficient in shooting down the D8, all the other planes become easier targets.

@all
Just mt two cents on the matter at hand. Now, can we all go back to playing and enjoying the game?

[TFL] Robert33 wrote: Not siding with anyone on the issue but c'mon folks, lets take it a bit easy on my squadmate. It seems that he had a rather bad day with the D8 and just like many casual players (I think he is one) out there, they would prefer to have a balance in the game. It does get frustrating to have a slippery little target come at you with guns blazing repeatedly. However, I do understand that there are also a lot of players here who are flight enthusiasts and that many here in the forums have come to accept the way things are right now in the game.

@Rat tat tat
Easy there brother, I can't fault you for feeling frustrated about the D8 but from what I understand about DF's balance, the D8 that the game has right now is pretty much a watered down version. The real life D8 was quite a monster in combat. From my experience, fighting the D8 is no different as to when I was fighting the Albatros DV (Zebra version) and SE5 back when they were the top dogs of DF. It also helped that both the DV back then and the D8 of today are such wonderful planes that noobs fly like veterans in either and these planes also become untouchable of sorts when flown by MORAF-level players.

Just think of it this way, if you become proficient in shooting down the D8, all the other planes become easier targets.

@all
Just mt two cents on the matter at hand. Now, can we all go back to playing and enjoying the game?

The actual D8 was slower than the SPAD and the SE5. The game version is just as fast, more maneuverable (as it should be) and small profile with good visibility (again, as it should be historically). Zup has repeatedly said he has taken some liberties with the aircraft, not trying to replicate their historical capabilities but trying to slot even tiers of planes. There are more realistic WWI games, but without the community that comes with DF.

Everything I've ever read points to the Fokker D.VII(F) (many of which were built by Albatros Flugzeugwerke) with the BMW engine as the best German fighter of the war, with the D.VIII a close second.

Longrifle wrote:

[TFL] Robert33 wrote: Not siding with anyone on the issue but c'mon folks, lets take it a bit easy on my squadmate. It seems that he had a rather bad day with the D8 and just like many casual players (I think he is one) out there, they would prefer to have a balance in the game. It does get frustrating to have a slippery little target come at you with guns blazing repeatedly. However, I do understand that there are also a lot of players here who are flight enthusiasts and that many here in the forums have come to accept the way things are right now in the game.

@Rat tat tat
Easy there brother, I can't fault you for feeling frustrated about the D8 but from what I understand about DF's balance, the D8 that the game has right now is pretty much a watered down version. The real life D8 was quite a monster in combat. From my experience, fighting the D8 is no different as to when I was fighting the Albatros DV (Zebra version) and SE5 back when they were the top dogs of DF. It also helped that both the DV back then and the D8 of today are such wonderful planes that noobs fly like veterans in either and these planes also become untouchable of sorts when flown by MORAF-level players.

Just think of it this way, if you become proficient in shooting down the D8, all the other planes become easier targets.

@all
Just mt two cents on the matter at hand. Now, can we all go back to playing and enjoying the game?

The actual D8 was slower than the SPAD and the SE5. The game version is just as fast, more maneuverable (as it should be) and small profile with good visibility (again, as it should be historically). Zup has repeatedly said he has taken some liberties with the aircraft, not trying to replicate their historical capabilities but trying to slot even tiers of planes. There are more realistic WWI games, but without the community that comes with DF.

Everything I've ever read points to the Fokker D.VII(F) (many of which were built by Albatros Flugzeugwerke) with the BMW engine as the best German fighter of the war, with the D.VIII a close second.

You must be unaware of the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV (as I was until I heard about it from Wig) It very well may have been the premier fighter plane of WWI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV

@LongRifle, ZebraUp
Thank you for the additional knowledge. Always a pleasure to learn something new.

Thanks Zebra. Never even heard of it before. I read it came in right at the end of the war, so had very little impact. And a good job too as far as the allies were concerned and reading it's specifications...

ZebraUp wrote:

Longrifle wrote:

[TFL] Robert33 wrote: Not siding with anyone on the issue but c'mon folks, lets take it a bit easy on my squadmate. It seems that he had a rather bad day with the D8 and just like many casual players (I think he is one) out there, they would prefer to have a balance in the game. It does get frustrating to have a slippery little target come at you with guns blazing repeatedly. However, I do understand that there are also a lot of players here who are flight enthusiasts and that many here in the forums have come to accept the way things are right now in the game.

@Rat tat tat
Easy there brother, I can't fault you for feeling frustrated about the D8 but from what I understand about DF's balance, the D8 that the game has right now is pretty much a watered down version. The real life D8 was quite a monster in combat. From my experience, fighting the D8 is no different as to when I was fighting the Albatros DV (Zebra version) and SE5 back when they were the top dogs of DF. It also helped that both the DV back then and the D8 of today are such wonderful planes that noobs fly like veterans in either and these planes also become untouchable of sorts when flown by MORAF-level players.

Just think of it this way, if you become proficient in shooting down the D8, all the other planes become easier targets.

@all
Just mt two cents on the matter at hand. Now, can we all go back to playing and enjoying the game?

The actual D8 was slower than the SPAD and the SE5. The game version is just as fast, more maneuverable (as it should be) and small profile with good visibility (again, as it should be historically). Zup has repeatedly said he has taken some liberties with the aircraft, not trying to replicate their historical capabilities but trying to slot even tiers of planes. There are more realistic WWI games, but without the community that comes with DF.

Everything I've ever read points to the Fokker D.VII(F) (many of which were built by Albatros Flugzeugwerke) with the BMW engine as the best German fighter of the war, with the D.VIII a close second.

You must be unaware of the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV (as I was until I heard about it from Wig) It very well may have been the premier fighter plane of WWI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV

No, I was having a conversation like this with Rabbit the other day, only about an allied plane. There were several fantastic scouts that did not go into production soon enough to arrive at the front in numbers, therefore "best" usually includes some kind of tally of kills. The D.VII was deadly, no question, hundreds of allied planes, many top level fighters, shot down, over 500 in August of 1918 alone, and the best German aces praised the plane (again with the BMW engine, not the original Mercedes) as the best in the war. The uniqueness of the D.VII includes the modern design elements still in use.

I think the D.VIII is also nearly in the "missed the war" boat.

Only around 85 D. VIII's saw combat, and at one point they grounded the planes because the wings tended to fold in half every so often. D. VII's are the best of the war and the only plane mentioned by name in the armistice. Other planes in the very last months of the war are to untested to really know if they are better.

PS: I'm not anti D. VIII.

So,

It will be interesting to see the discussions about percieved advantages of the D8 when squad wars comes out. Which side will have German and which will have allied?

I can hear the bickering now!

"Yea, you won but we were Allied! We need a rematch with opposite teams!"
"We kicked your ass! AND we were allied!!!!"


I like playing on the "underdog" side, so it is really okay by me. It may become obvious who only wants to play with an advantage by their refusal to be Allied.

I was in a D8 dogfighting with McFate, and then I was on the other side against a good team including some players in D8's. I can be hit in a D8 by steady shooters, but sprayers generally won't hit me. And I can hit a D8 head-on, but it takes an extra steady stream, and a little bit low of the dot. Head-on is important, because you really don't want to be in a chase with a bombless D8. I could catch up only by wingover cutoffs, not by circle-chasing. I noticed that when I'm in a D8, the opponent's throttling back could be very effective because I was flying faster and would overshoot someone cutting back hard.

The D8 and parallel allied planes are closer in capability than some lesser experienced players might represent. But the edge does go to the D8. Rest assured that the more you fly against D8's, the more you can figure out. IMO, you won't figure out advantages over the D8 like you can against the little eindecker; but you can figure out things that will level the field better, to the point that it will be a fight of skill and much less about the airplane.

But tough to do when hoisting a bomb, so the one-sidedness is more apparent in bombing games (where I hoist a bomb - that was for you habitual droppers, very nasty when you are flying a D8! But I will drop when you drop.).

Manfred

On the allied side I think the Sopwith Camel comes out as the top single seater of the war. Hard to handle but when mastered was extremely manoverable and was famous for it's very quick right turns, (The opposite direction to the rotary engines I believe). Only introduced in 1917, it was responsible for more German kills than any other allied aircraft of the war.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel

An easy option to level it up a bit would be for Zuperman to make it only one hit brings down the D8 instead of two.
That sort of still fits in with the historical accuracy aspect..... Modern technology is usually more fragile than old.
WW2 battleships usually took many hits to sink, whereas in the Falklands war, one missile strike and they were stuffed.
And comparing a missile and a rock. You never hear of rocks misfiring.

Just keep at it and get them turning. Was difficult to start but now is getting easier to deal with the d8. Even when the players start dropping, The plane is an advantage but learn what it is doing and forget headmon fights.

Lmao, I havent commented on this thread for about a week Roberts, but I guess people are still crying about it. I let it go guys, so you can go back to polishing your D8's(joke). I have a found a little success against the D8, even though I still believe its hard to hit I can live with it =). Pendrinho I noticed you commented that i should get a life lol, its funny cuz you just quit cuz the game was consuming your life lol, just saying... Good flying everyone and im officially retiring this thread lol.

Nice banner RTT.